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Old 01-30-2013, 11:45 AM   #101
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That sounds like a bunch of bull ****. Let's be honest, you wrench on them while playing PS3.

And, just by your comment about the M5 and M3, and the 1M show how completely full of **** you are...
Yes.. because I'm full of ****.



The list of bushings, water pumps, oil stand gaskets, window regs and so on. I can make a nice long list if you like. Have you used a parking brake on a 7 without it breaking?

I know the truth hurts.. its expensive to be a BMW owner.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:01 PM   #102
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:31 PM   #103
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Yes.. because I'm full of ****.



The list of bushings, water pumps, oil stand gaskets, window regs and so on. I can make a nice long list if you like. Have you used a parking brake on a 7 without it breaking?

I know the truth hurts.. its expensive to be a BMW owner.

The truth of what? You are talking out of your ass, that is the truth. I can tell by your posts. You don't know jack **** and I don't even need to break it down for you, because you already know.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:35 PM   #104
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The truth of what? You are talking out of your ass, that is the truth. I can tell by your posts. You don't know jack **** and I don't even need to break it down for you, because you already know.
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The only M car to have is a m5 with a upgraded clutch.

Where do you even start?

Regular M5, hell no. M5 with an upgraded clutch? Oh yes. The only one to have
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:01 PM   #105
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Mine can beat an M3. But then, for what I've spent on the car, I could have just bought an M3.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:04 PM   #106
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Where do you even start?

Regular M5, hell no. M5 with an upgraded clutch? Oh yes. The only one to have
Everyone knows upgraded clutches give you 15psi more boost.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:10 PM   #107
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Everyone knows upgraded clutches give you 15psi more boost.
I honestly think he is just basing the clutch comment on what jeremy clarkson said about the car and how the drivetrain was always lacking in the M5 up until recently.

Apparently quoting famous car nuts makes you sound smart.

Getting back to M models, the Z3M would be my choice. but maybe because I helped my dad set his up and with only 300 WHP, and mild brake and suspension mods the car is a dream to drive.
Kind of my goal to build the WRX up to the same level so we can go to a track day together and see who could pull the fastest lap.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:19 PM   #108
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The older m5's with the 6spd will destroy a clutch with all the torque they put down.

Maybe since I'm older I enjoy a m5 over a m3. But m3s are slow as **** when you have a 550whp Subaru.

Still doesn't get over the fact that BMWs leak oil from everywhere. And whats up with the personal attacks? You obviously own a BMW. Don't get your pan gasket all bent out of shape.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:49 PM   #109
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Getting back to M models, the Z3M would be my choice. but maybe because I helped my dad set his up and with only 300 WHP, and mild brake and suspension mods the car is a dream to drive.
I prefer the Z4M to the Z3M, but perhaps that's because or Z3M didn't have any upgrades to the suspension or any chassis stiffening. I love that S54 engine, though. It's a shame it's so heavy.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:02 PM   #110
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Damn.. JetFalcon is EVERY****INGWHERE!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2372436

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Old 01-30-2013, 06:22 PM   #111
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I prefer the Z4M to the Z3M, but perhaps that's because or Z3M didn't have any upgrades to the suspension or any chassis stiffening. I love that S54 engine, though. It's a shame it's so heavy.
His is a 2000 so its one year prior to the s54. Before 2001 they came with a s52 so we supercharged it.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:32 PM   #112
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I read the post and I read the replies, man there are alot of ******** on here....wow. Shut your mouth if you dont have something positive or worth a **** to say
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:46 PM   #113
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His is a 2000 so its one year prior to the s54. Before 2001 they came with a s52 so we supercharged it.
Ah, yeah. Ours was the 2002. It suffered the S54 engine failure that mostly plagued the M3s. Thankfully, BMW was being relatively reasonable about those failures by the time ours went, so the just... fixed it.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:11 AM   #114
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Stage 2 WRX beat a 2002 M3 bone stock. From a roll at 60, 20, and from a launch.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:26 AM   #115
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Stage 2 WRX beat a 2002 M3 bone stock. From a roll at 60, 20, and from a launch.
That's a bit odd. Mine easily pulls both my friends' 06 WRXs (TBEs, one has an OTS Cobb tune, the other the XPT OTS map). I have 5-8 MPH on them at the end of the main straights (NJMP, Summit), according to the trackmate. 230-240 whp vs. 270-275.

That's on like a 70-130ish pull. Lower speeds it's much closer, but as speed rises, it walks away pretty noticeably.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:29 AM   #116
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Ah, yeah. Ours was the 2002. It suffered the S54 engine failure that mostly plagued the M3s. Thankfully, BMW was being relatively reasonable about those failures by the time ours went, so the just... fixed it.
Relatively reasonable? They recalled all the cars, failed or not, replaced all their rod bearings, and warrantied the engines for 6/100k miles, no questions asked.

I'd say they were being quite reasonable.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:41 AM   #117
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Don't see Subaru replacing all the bearings of every 2009 WRX sold...regardless of failure.

Then again, they didn't pay $50k for their cars, nor are the bearing changes nearly as quick and easy.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:47 AM   #118
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BMW sucks. Subaru is the best car manufacturer on Earth.


Unless you put a clutch in the M5, then WATCH OUT!
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Relatively reasonable? They recalled all the cars, failed or not, replaced all their rod bearings, and warrantied the engines for 6/100k miles, no questions asked.

I'd say they were being quite reasonable.
Learn your history. In roughly 2001 or so, the cause of the problems was not yet found. As the problem was more likely to occur the more time the engine spent at high RPM, BMW started by blaming owners. They said the owners abused the cars, causing the failure, that it wasn't a manufacturing defect, and they wouldn't honor the warranty claims (some were still honored in this period, but many were not or had to struggle and fight to get their engines replaced). By the time ours failed, in late 2002, BMW didn't have a statement to us about why it failed, but they at least accepted responsibility without question and put in a new engine. By roughly 2003, they had found the issue and did as you stated... for the M3. At least at first, the replacement (which isn't technically a recall but a service action) did not apply to the M Roadster or M Coupe, as they have a lower redline and thus are less likely to fail. I don't know if this has changed, as we sold the car some years ago.

Short version: Initially BMW were extremely unreasonable about the failures. By the end, yes, they were reasonable.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:52 PM   #120
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Learn your history. In roughly 2001 or so, the cause of the problems was not yet found. As the problem was more likely to occur the more time the engine spent at high RPM, BMW started by blaming owners. They said the owners abused the cars, causing the failure, that it wasn't a manufacturing defect, and they wouldn't honor the warranty claims (some were still honored in this period, but many were not or had to struggle and fight to get their engines replaced). By the time ours failed, in late 2002, BMW didn't have a statement to us about why it failed, but they at least accepted responsibility without question and put in a new engine. By roughly 2003, they had found the issue and did as you stated... for the M3. At least at first, the replacement (which isn't technically a recall but a service action) did not apply to the M Roadster or M Coupe, as they have a lower redline and thus are less likely to fail. I don't know if this has changed, as we sold the car some years ago.

Short version: Initially BMW were extremely unreasonable about the failures. By the end, yes, they were reasonable.
I assumed you got your engine replaced after they extended the warranties on all S54s (including the Zs).

The "recall" or service bulletin did not apply to the Zs, but you still got the extended engihe warranty if anything happened, after they discovered the root cause of the problem (March 2003 iirc).

As for them initial being extremely unreasonable...hmm...not sure there's a carmaker out there who isn't going to take the time to find teh root cause of the problem, after they had seen a fairly regular occurence of failures.

I'm sure it was tough to have an early failure, must have been frustrating.

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:53 PM   #121
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My 97 impreza hatch with full 02 Wrx swap beat an m3 from 60 roll on the highway, but I have a weight advantage on my side.
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