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Old 06-03-2013, 08:31 AM   #51
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Moto3, awesome as usual.
Moto2, was ok.
MotoGP, fell asleep by the 5th lap. Woke up when Marquez went down and woke up again when Lorenzo crossed the line.
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Old 06-03-2013, 07:34 PM   #52
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Yeah after turn 2 of the race, the race was boring! Super sad to see rossi go down!
Gotta say, Cruthlow is starting to become my favorite rider! He pushes and pushes to the end and second podium in a row! Sick!!! His post interviews are as honest as they can be!

And as stated before, finally MM makes a rookie mistakes and goes down when he could of been leading the champ. He should of just stopped pushing being that he was in p2 and had over a second on his teamate pedrosa
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:26 PM   #53
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You think he's lying about being injured so he doesn't have to race? What's that going to do for his career?
where did I say he's lying about his injury?? The guy has had lackluster results on the best equipment out there, and has never taken the blame once, always has an excuse or reason for sucking ****. Sure some of the issues were out of his control on the yamaha, but plenty of those times he didn't have to throw Yamaha, Jarvis, HJC, anyone and everyone under the bus.

I'm sure Spies is injured.... but look at a guy like checa, 10+ years older than Ben, been racing all year with serious injuries including shoulder damage where the shoulder is popping in/out of the socket during the race, which has to be extremely painful, not to mention broken ribs..... That's the difference, Carlos is a true competitor and has the want and desire to be out there, Spies on the other hand..... I think not. I'm still very surprised Ducati spent any $$ on the guy w/the way he treated Jarvis and Yamaha, which was pathetic imo.

Edit: to answer the second part of your question, if he gave a damn about his career Ben, his crazy mom, and all the other hype'd up posse surrounding Ben would have done things much different these past 30-something months. He's had guys that have been with him for a decade leave his side in these recent months.... He's "above" being on that Ducati, a bike that's not capable of winning, or so he thinks. He won't finish the season out RIDING that bike, quote me on that. Pirro deserved the seat anyway, good to see him riding that bike.
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Wow, you're the only one I've ever seen criticize Spies like this. I don't know where you're getting your information from but I've never read anything like what you're saying.

It's pretty clear that Spies got a raw deal from Yamaha. "Sure, you can be one of our factory riders, but since you're not Lorenzo or Rossi, that means you're going to be the guinea pig for all the new crap we want to test under race conditions. It's that or nothing." How many bike failures did we see in his two seasons? When was the last time you saw anything like his Laguna Seca crash? He got hurt from being thrown down again and again due mostly to the bike and it may have ended his career. Yamaha management and Lin Jarvis (and apparently you) still want to point the finger at Spies. I can guarantee that in his situation, your attitude would probably suck also.

And he has a beef with HJC? And who's 'anyone and everyone'?

Don't draw parallels between Spies and Checa. You're trying to make it sound like they are equally injured yet Carlos is still riding and Ben refuses to. How could you possibly know how severe their injuries are? Checa's at the tail end of his career anyway so it's now or never. Spies needs to get healthy or his young career is definitely over. Big difference.

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He's had guys that have been with him for a decade leave his side in these recent months.... He's "above" being on that Ducati, a bike that's not capable of winning, or so he thinks.
Where are you getting this stuff from?

I'm not really even a fan of Spies so I'm not here to defend him. I just have no idea where you've formed this opinion about him since we watch the same races probably read the same news.
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First off bottom feeder... the bike doesn't crash itself, and Ben fell more on the yamaha in 2 seasons than anyone else riding that bike I can remember. The bike was good enough to win multiple championships, and good enough to podium in satellite form.... so please spare the idea it was the bikes fault he ended up on his head at nearly half the rounds. Yes, a couple mechanical failures took place than tossed him on his ass, but those were few and far between. Bashing the best team in Motogp, the best bike to be on for the past few years, and the crew that you hand picked to win was completely lame.

Yes, he's blamed his helmet for lack of results more than once, for visor "malfunctioning", but I guess the checks HJC writes are too good to pass up as he's still using them, after publicly bashing their products

Yes, one of his long time mechanics that's been with Spies for multiple championships left the team after last year.... Yes, the working environment surrounding Spies isn't what it use to be, it's very sour... I have spoken first hand to people who've worked with Ben over the past 2 years, I'm not pulling this out of my ass. The people he's surrounded himself with have morphed him into a different person (this is totally my opinion, nothing I've been told).

Carlos has had a great fulfilling career, he's managed to do something Spies is very unlikely to do, and that's race for nearly 2 decades, and be very successful at it. I'm not drawing any parellels between the two riders actual injuries, what I'm saying is Checa has the want and desire to be out there.... he has a shoulder that is dislocating while riding the bike, and riding through the pain, I think that speaks volumes for his character and the passion he has for racing right now. Also the fact Checa and the other riders on the Pinagale are struggling so much is another testament to the guys drive. You want to talk about a bike that likes to crash, and throw people on the ground... look no further. Both Checa and Badovini have hit the deck every weekend this year!

I've followed spies since he was on superstock bikes here in the states, was always a huge fan, he was my #1 guy I rooted for... but as times gone on, and seeing the mud he's slung and the lackluster results w/nothing but excuses and mud slinging to blame I can't say the same.

I'll put it like this, look at Nicky Hayden. Past his prime, yeah likely. On a bike that's likely got a 1% chance of winning... yet he's still doing more laps than anyone in testing, he's still giving positive interviews and raving about his team and how hard they work..... What's not to like about the guy. I'll root for 100 Nicky Haydens over 1 Ben Spies any day of the week. Nicky also has accomplished something Ben never has, or WILL... GP World Title. But yet, he still has humility, he's taking the blame anytime this **** hits the fan, nothing you can say bad about him!

I've following roadracing for a very long time, I'm a licensed racer myself, and have raced for nearly 10 years, have been on track with domestic champions, have friends throughout the racing community. I'm not pulling these facts out of my ass, I'm not bashing Spies because secretly I'm jealous.... I've watched the kid grow up, work his ass off to where he is now, and take a 180* turn, and it's a bummer. I've spoke to people first hand that work w/Ben, big wig's at yamaha, have witnessed conversations that bode horribly for Ben. It makes me sad, that's all.

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Old 06-06-2013, 01:48 AM   #56
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Old 06-08-2013, 01:15 AM   #57
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lol... yeah, what I figured. I'm a die-hard motorcycle guy, follow it very closely, have a lot of friends in the industry, I'm not "making stuff up"... guess he decided to troll on, all the better I was lucky enough to spend some of the world sbk weekend in the monster yamaha camp, and spend some time talking to those guys, some of whom worked w/the gp and sbk team years past. It was pretty eye opening the things they had to say. It's just sad, Ben had so much promise, but having no humility or ability for taking heat for anything, your fault or not is a sure fire way to leave the series as fast as you came in.

Bottom Feeder.. I'll gladly listen to your "facts" of how the bike "caused Ben's career to likely be over from making him crash to many times". (Besides his shock mount breaking at Laguna). I'll also gladly listen to you try and retract Spies statements for blaming two poor finishes on his HJC helmet and visor system. Can you elaborate on Spies "young career" when he's races as a professional for 10 years?

Also... you making Lin Jarves out to be the bad guy is hilarious! He's quietly managing the worlds best motorcycle racer, and a guy who very few people in the motorcycle industry have a single bad word to say about. He ran the Yamaha team, something Ben and Mary Spies weren't accustomed too, not being in charge. I have 100x more respect for Jarvis, he spoke his mind, and told it "how it is" and will be around in the industry long after Spies.

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Old 06-08-2013, 07:26 AM   #58
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Why are you trying to start an argument? I wanted to know where you're getting your info from and you said so. This is obviously way more important to you than it is to me. Move on already.
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Old 06-08-2013, 04:45 PM   #59
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Not at all... on a side note wsbk looks like another killer weekend on tap. Wish the "premier" series in the world, GP, was 1/10th as exciting as wsbk has been.

If you guys could take a single rider from GP and put him in the WSBK paddock, who would it be?
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Not at all... on a side note wsbk looks like another killer weekend on tap. Wish the "premier" series in the world, GP, was 1/10th as exciting as wsbk has been.

If you guys could take a single rider from GP and put him in the WSBK paddock, who would it be?
Crutchlow and Dovi on a factory Yamaha WSBK effort. I like them both for totally opposite reasons. And I'm a longtime Yamaha fan, and are bummed they aren't in WSBK anymore.
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I'd like to see someone besides Bradley Smith on the 2nd tech Yamaha, that's for sure. Not certain he is top tier material just yet.

It won't be long now. I'd love to see Rossi and Hayden on WSBK Yamaha's in the next 2-3 years. Hayden has paid his dues. He deserves a decent bike again.

Crutchlow and Dovi are gonna be in Moto Gp for several more years, in my opinion.


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Edwards should go back to WSB where he can probably still win instead of wasting his time on a CRT bike. I have no idea what he's getting paid so maybe he's trying to pad his retirement fund by riding around mid-pack rather than getting on competitive machinery and going after race wins. CRTs should be for up and coming riders, not a retirement class.

If Rossi is indeed showing his age and Lorenzo is going to beat him week in and week out, maybe he'll finally make the switch to WSB like he's always threatened to do. I'm not a fan but I'd like to see it happen.

I respect Hayden for what he's doing at Ducati putting in lots of testing laps, but I don't believe he has any race wins or even podiums left in him regardless of what bike he's on. I wish he'd move on also.

I miss '90s WSB racing where it was a mix of young guns and ex-GP riders.
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Edwards should go back to WSB where he can probably still win instead of wasting his time on a CRT bike. I have no idea what he's getting paid so maybe he's trying to pad his retirement fund by riding around mid-pack rather than getting on competitive machinery and going after race wins. CRTs should be for up and coming riders, not a retirement class.

If Rossi is indeed showing his age and Lorenzo is going to beat him week in and week out, maybe he'll finally make the switch to WSB like he's always threatened to do. I'm not a fan but I'd like to see it happen.

I respect Hayden for what he's doing at Ducati putting in lots of testing laps, but I don't believe he has any race wins or even podiums left in him regardless of what bike he's on. I wish he'd move on also.

I miss '90s WSB racing where it was a mix of young guns and ex-GP riders.
It seems like you don't really understand the difference from MotoGP to WSBK. As far as riders are concerned, they would rather ride a bottom tier bike in MotoGP than the best bike in WSBK. It's considered the premier class for a reason. The show is much larger, as are the endorsement contracts that come along with it. This will probably only get solidified now that Dorna is trying to turn WSBK into WSS with their new regulations.

As far as riders like Colin(getting paid $$$ to ride and develop a CRT), Nicky, Ben, ect are concerned they will ride out their time in MotoGP as long as possible before making the switch.
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It seems like you don't really understand the difference from MotoGP to WSBK. As far as riders are concerned, they would rather ride a bottom tier bike in MotoGP than the best bike in WSBK. It's considered the premier class for a reason. The show is much larger, as are the endorsement contracts that come along with it. This will probably only get solidified now that Dorna is trying to turn WSBK into WSS with their new regulations.

As far as riders like Colin(getting paid $$$ to ride and develop a CRT), Nicky, Ben, ect are concerned they will ride out their time in MotoGP as long as possible before making the switch.
*sigh* I understand the difference just fine, thanks.

You seem to be all about the money and assuming they are also, like getting the biggest paycheck possible in the highest form of motorcycle racing is what really matters to these guys. If so, then fine. I don't agree.

I answered the 'Who would you want to see in WSB?' question with a list of guys, former winners and world champions, who are on the tail ends of their careers and aren't doing much in MotoGP except filling up the midfield (Rossi excluded for the most part). I'd like to see them in a different world-level series on a more even playing field and seeing what they can do, just like Checa and Biaggi, two guys I didn't like much until they went to WSB and revitalized their careers. I'd like to see the same thing with Edwards again a decade later, Hayden because he's never been there, and Rossi because he said he wanted to someday. Simple.
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You seem to be all about the money and assuming they are also, like getting the biggest paycheck possible in the highest form of motorcycle racing is what really matters to these guys. If so, then fine. I don't agree.
That is what most of these guys want. Colin riding a crap bike and has said he is doing it for the money. Ben taking a seat at a less competitive team to get more money than a satellite Honda like he could have gotten(rumor'd that he had offers for both satellite Honda or Yamaha), Cal looking to go to Ducati where he knows he can't win but doesn't have to buy his own brakes...

Anyway, I agree it would be cool if a few went to WSBK and battled it out, but don't see anyone moving down unless they have to
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Lorenzo broke a collar bone during a heavy crash at Assen, in FP2 today. Ooof.

And a CRT bike sitting 6th in the dry FP1 session.
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Moto3 was good again, haven't watched Moto2 but in MotoGP Valentino Rossi claimed the top step after a 2 year hiatus.
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everybody's career in mgp is finite and clearly forecast/broadcast by declining performance

even the greatest of all time .... but i'm glad that time isn't here yet
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Awe inspiring ride for the injured Lorenzo.

Nice to see the doctor back in.
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...why is Sachsenring kicking everyone's a** this year...?
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Sites are reporting that Hayden is out at Ducati next year and nobody else is interested. That's a shame but it'll be World Superbike's gain if he decides to go there and I certainly hope he does. He'd probably have his pick of teams.
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My brother left this morning to Cali to watch the race. He's stoked as **** to meet the riders. I'll try to upload pictures as he does on FB.
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Sites are reporting that Hayden is out at Ducati next year and nobody else is interested. That's a shame but it'll be World Superbike's gain if he decides to go there and I certainly hope he does. He'd probably have his pick of teams.
Agreed. I would love to see him land at BMW. Kinda surprised Ducati didn't even offer him a factory WSBK ride, considering how much the US market means to them.
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Agreed. I would love to see him land at BMW. Kinda surprised Ducati didn't even offer him a factory WSBK ride, considering how much the US market means to them.
Hayden would do better on some other bike than the Ducati. This may work out better for him.
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This will make things interesting for next year...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108975

MotoGP to allow four works riders per team from 2014 season


Works MotoGP teams will be allowed to expand to four riders from 2014 following a rules adjustment.

The Grand Prix Commission has agreed to change a 2012 rule limiting factory squads to two entries from the start of next year.

At present, manufacturers Honda, Yamaha and Ducati each field two works bikes in their own teams and offer varying degrees of support to two further riders in satellite teams.

The last works MotoGP team to regularly run three riders was Honda with Casey Stoner, Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso in 2011, although Ducati has added test rider Michele Pirro as a wildcard alongside regulars Dovizioso and Nicky Hayden on occasion this year.

The change adds to a shake-up of the MotoGP entry list for 2014 as Yamaha offers engines to independent teams and Honda introduces a new low-cost production racer to tempt entrants currently running in the slower CRT class.
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