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View Poll Results: RS3 vs star specs vs nt05 vs DW
hankook RS3 2 8.33%
dunlop z1 star spec 14 58.33%
nitto nt-05 0 0%
continental extreme contact DW 8 33.33%
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:57 PM   #1
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Default star specs vs RS3 vs conti DW

would just get Michelin super sports and call it a day, but they are way out of my price range for now...

I used to run RS2 and really liked them, minus the horrendous noise toward the end of its life and how greasy it gets under minimal heat. At the moment I`m leaning toward the star specs for its all around durability, wet traction, and steering response. I would consider the RS3 if it lasts longer than the suggested 140 treadwear ... and then, considering my new suspension set up and wheel package (ST coilovers and 17x8 wheels), maybe the continental extreme contact DW will be sporty enough for a DD, since I dont race my car (yet) and will offer the most comfort out of the three while still being quite capable? it's also the cheapest and the lightest of the three as well.. but I`m afraid the sidewall would be too soft and ruin the steering response...

I`ve read enough reviews about them, so anyone with real world experience with them, please chime in. thanks!

also considering the nt-05 as one of the choices as well, but the nitto seems like a worse version of the star spec.. could be wrong..
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:59 PM   #2
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I have DWs. They are just like everyone says. I like the comfort and can deal with the loss of that tight turn in feeling. Car still handles great. It's not as bad with about 38 psi, but you lose some comfort at that pressure.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:28 PM   #3
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i think i`m gonna give the star specs a go since everyone is praising about them..
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:40 PM   #4
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just remember, you'll have to wait until february for zII star specs
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:23 PM   #5
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just remember, you'll have to wait until february for zII star specs
oh damn thanks for that info! i can definitely wait around.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:25 PM   #6
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is a 35 series tire a bad idea for a daily? i would really like to shorten some of that gear ratio back to what it used to be when I had the oem 16" wheels... i`m imagining going from a 45 to a 40 series sidewall wont change it up THAT much... I`m currently riding on RE070 and these are toast
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:26 PM   #7
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what is the maximum width I can run safely on an 8" wheel? I was planning on going with a 235/40/17, but would like 245/35/17.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:36 PM   #8
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RS3's, 245/40/17 and call it a day.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:43 PM   #9
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I'll be running 245/40/17 ZII star specs next summer on 17x8 wheels, 245 is about as wide as you can go on a 8" wheel, and I'm not sure they make a 245/35
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:45 PM   #10
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i been using the Federal 595RS-R for a while now.

BEST bang for the buck in MAX performance tires EVER.

they run WIDE and make a 235/40 that would work great...but id run a 225/45 on the 8" wide wheel...yeajh...they ARE that WIDE

they are fine in the wet until they hit the wear bars and are quiet ...they like heat and dont get hard as a rock until ~40*F....try that with the rs3 or star spec

im on my 3rd set and got the last set shipped for $470
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:49 PM   #11
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how long do they last with a 140 tread rating?

how do they compare performance wise with an RS3/StarSpec, not considering price difference?
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:14 AM   #12
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RS3's, 245/40/17 and call it a day.
my heart tells me yes, my head says no... would love to go back to the hankooks... ( I really dont know why they made the RS2s stickier lol.. if anything, I would`ve taken the trade-off of the grip and more durability). 140 treadwear is what scares me really, and I know it's gonna be LOUD. I dont mind the rough ride so much (i mean, it's a trade off for performance), but tire noise really bothers me. afterall, my car is a DD.

I think the RS2s were an overkill for what I do with my car, but I really like the steering feel... when I had the RS2s, they were mounted on my oem wheels as plus one size (225/50/16 i think) so hopefully, even a tire like the conti DW, which isnt as performance oriented as the other two I`m comparing with, in a 245/40/17 size, should deliver the steering feel I`m looking for, without any of the extreme performance tire drawback. Reviews tell me it wont because the DW's have wayy too soft of a sidewall though
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:55 AM   #13
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how long do they last with a 140 tread rating?

how do they compare performance wise with an RS3/StarSpec, not considering price difference?

LOTSA people LOVE these tires all over the world....i get 20k miles outta them with a good bit of highway driving....and YMMV...but they dont just evaporate like water

and they ARE a tru MAX performance tire

and remember kiddies....just because a tire is good at autox does NOT mean that it is a good street tire

THAT is one of the BIGGEST kiddie boi myths that there is
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:57 AM   #14
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my heart tells me yes, my head says no... would love to go back to the hankooks... ( I really dont know why they made the RS2s stickier lol.. if anything, I would`ve taken the trade-off of the grip and more durability). 140 treadwear is what scares me really, and I know it's gonna be LOUD. I dont mind the rough ride so much (i mean, it's a trade off for performance), but tire noise really bothers me. afterall, my car is a DD.

I think the RS2s were an overkill for what I do with my car, but I really like the steering feel... when I had the RS2s, they were mounted on my oem wheels as plus one size (225/50/16 i think) so hopefully, even a tire like the conti DW, which isnt as performance oriented as the other two I`m comparing with, in a 245/40/17 size, should deliver the steering feel I`m looking for, without any of the extreme performance tire drawback. Reviews tell me it wont because the DW's have wayy too soft of a sidewall though
i had the rs2s and it was a love/hate relationship

they sucked real bad at a lot of things and were great at some things

the 595RSR blows them out of the water and out of the game by being in a whole better galaxy in every way, no doubt
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:19 AM   #15
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^^ this.

theres no poll option for RSR's.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:22 AM   #16
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LOTSA people LOVE these tires all over the world....i get 20k miles outta them with a good bit of highway driving....and YMMV...but they dont just evaporate like water

and they ARE a tru MAX performance tire


and remember kiddies....just because a tire is good at autox does NOT mean that it is a good street tire


THAT is one of the BIGGEST kiddie boi myths that there is
kiddie boi wants to learn why

is it due to poor wet performance? I've heard that star specs are actually pretty good in the rain, unless it's inches of standing water, which we don't really get around here

noise? I usually have the windows down and radio blaring, kiddie bois don't car about noise

I'm in no way saying that you're wrong, I just feel that a lot of your posts would be more helpful with some explanations backing them, then I and everyone reading this would learn and be just a little bit further away from kiddie boi traps
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kiddie boi wants to learn why

is it due to poor wet performance? I've heard that star specs are actually pretty good in the rain, unless it's inches of standing water, which we don't really get around here

noise? I usually have the windows down and radio blaring, kiddie bois don't car about noise

I'm in no way saying that you're wrong, I just feel that a lot of your posts would be more helpful with some explanations backing them, then I and everyone reading this would learn and be just a little bit further away from kiddie boi traps

d000000000000d....i do a LOT of research and learn a LOT about a LOT of things

typing dissertations here for the unwashed masses is a thing of the past for me.....kiddies wanna be spoon fed and i aint doin it anymore

i dont post out my ass and i dont post stupid bull****

so...just be a good kiddie boi and buy what all the rest do and be st00pid all yer life like the rest....and dont ever do any research or learn anything for yourself...because THAT aint k00

cuz then ya know **** and stuff...and knowin ****just aint k00...makes ya un-k00
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:03 AM   #18
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I'm on the DW. I knew what I was getting into when I got them.

Yes, a soft sidewall. Turn in does suffer. It takes some getting used to, but it does work fine once you do. Many run very high pressures to compensate for it. I feel it's better if you go with the flow. Depending on my needs I run 35-38 psi front and 33-35 psi rear. It is a comfortable and quiet performance tire.

When its dry, it's a very capable tire. Predictable, good hold, lots of warning when you get to the edge of its ability.

When its wet! HOLY COW THEY ROCK!!! This is where these things shine. You have to try harder than most to upset them. I'm still at full tread so I don't know yet how this will change. It rains lots in the winter here. I do mean LOTS.

They are light.

Won't break the bank

If you are looking for a knife edge dry tire you will be disappointed. If you need a killer wet tire, then look no further

I do want to try those Federal 595RSR next. I'm sure I will like the dry performance. Not sure about the wet though.
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I'm on the DW. I knew what I was getting into when I got them.

Yes, a soft sidewall. Turn in does suffer. It takes some getting used to, but it does work fine once you do. Many run very high pressures to compensate for it. I feel it's better if you go with the flow. Depending on my needs I run 35-38 psi front and 33-35 psi rear. It is a comfortable and quiet performance tire.

When its dry, it's a very capable tire. Predictable, good hold, lots of warning when you get to the edge of its ability.

When its wet! HOLY COW THEY ROCK!!! This is where these things shine. You have to try harder than most to upset them. I'm still at full tread so I don't know yet how this will change. It rains lots in the winter here. I do mean LOTS.

They are light.

Won't break the bank

If you are looking for a knife edge dry tire you will be disappointed. If you need a killer wet tire, then look no further

I do want to try those Federal 595RSR next. I'm sure I will like the dry performance. Not sure about the wet though.
the DW is the next 'step down' from MAX performance tires like the rest of the ones mentioned here and will last longer and have less overall performance

the 595RSR is quite good even in pouring down tropical rain...even at speed...at 1/2 tread or better....from 1/2 tread to just above wear bars their wet capabilities drop off....but they dont get scary until they get to the wear bars

and they are quiet and ride well, too
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Maybe start with basics:
what do you want your summer tires to do for you?

That should tell you if you are looking at MAX (or Extereme performance in tire rack speak) or anything below.

Krzys

PS There is no free lunch and the best dry tires usually are not so good in the wet and wear faster than slighly worse but better rounded (and better designed, and usually more expensive ones). Picking wrong type will leave you bitter like Uncle when he tried Hankook Evo V12.
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Maybe start with basics:
what do you want your summer tires to do for you?

That should tell you if you are looking at MAX (or Extereme performance in tire rack speak) or anything below.

Krzys

PS There is no free lunch and the best dry tires usually are not so good in the wet and wear faster than slighly worse but better rounded (and better designed, and usually more expensive ones). Picking wrong type will leave you bitter like Uncle when he tried Hankook Evo V12.


d0000d....i have been using UHP and MAX performance tires since i put the Comp T/A 60H on my 1981 celica in 1983

and i can say, without fear of contradiction, that the v12 hankooks are IN NO POSSIBLE WAY ANY SORT OF UHP OR MAX PERFORMANCE TIRE

NO

not in this galaxy they arent.

they were a good touring tire....yeah, ok...but not a performance tire
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:28 AM   #22
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oh damn thanks for that info! i can definitely wait around.
when the new star specs come out, the old ones should go on a nice clearance sale. so if you want to save a good bit of cash, that is another option. but as US mentioned, the Federals are already pretty cheap (I personally have no experience with them).
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #23
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Maybe start with basics:
what do you want your summer tires to do for you?

That should tell you if you are looking at MAX (or Extereme performance in tire rack speak) or anything below.

Krzys

PS There is no free lunch and the best dry tires usually are not so good in the wet and wear faster than slighly worse but better rounded (and better designed, and usually more expensive ones). Picking wrong type will leave you bitter like Uncle when he tried Hankook Evo V12.
the car is a DD with occasional spirited drives. the car used to be on prodrives and d specs but it will be on ST coilovers (installing it as we speak) and have plans on going to track races, probably once or twice a year. i think eventually I would end up with a dedicated race wheel/tire spare, but for now I need something I can drive on the streets comfortably and be reasonably performance oriented. back when I had the hankook RS2, i considered it an overkill for what I want to do, but I really enjoyed the steering feel. so for my new set, I dont need them to grip like the extreme performance tires do, but would like crisp turn ins and a stable on center feel on high speed cruising. I dont know, if the michelin pilot super sports really lasts that much longer than all of the tires I mentioned above, I may just bite the bullet and just get em; or maybe I can wait till February to get a killer deal on the Z1 star specs... but the conti's will be so much more comfortable at a minimal performance loss... goddamnit i dont know what i want
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when the new star specs come out, the old ones should go on a nice clearance sale. so if you want to save a good bit of cash, that is another option. but as US mentioned, the Federals are already pretty cheap (I personally have no experience with them).
yea, exactly this! i may just wait and try the star specs. that way at least I know what everyone was raving about at one point
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If steering response is important avoid Hankook Evo V12 as Uncle tells anybody who cares or doesn't. They are decent performance tires leaning toward touring. I did enjoy them but I bought Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 2 as my next set. With 160 USD mail in rebate (one needs Goodyear credit card for this, otherwise it is 80) it is nice deal. I find them confortable and very resistant to wet.

Good luck with your choice.

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