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Old 01-06-2013, 05:59 PM   #26
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The current WRX has been in production for 5 years. Yes, it got new body panels and a bigger turbo, but its the same car that hit the dealer lots in 2007. Subie really needs to roll out something new THIS year. Even if they just dump the 2.0 DIT and 6spd in the current car, they've got to do something.
They're not going to waste engineering R&D time and money to drop an entirely new powertrain into the cars for 1 year while they redesign it for the next.

2014 will be a continuation of 2013 at this point. Whether they just make 2013 a "long" model year (which is possible since those pumpkin special editions came out, and those are usually for the last MY of a generation) or go ahead and make real 2014's, that's up in the air.

But I wouldn't bet on earlier than 2015, once again, for the new-generation WRX/STI. Something would have leaked or been announced by now.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:59 PM   #27
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Unfortunately, I am beginning to believe that the next Gen WRX won't see the shores until sometime late in 2014 as a 2015 model. This might truly suck for me as I really wanted to be totally debt free in 2017. I might hold off if I get some clue as to what the next WRX was going to look like.
Same here. I'm going to bite the bullet and tough out my TL-S until I get some confirmed/official information about the next gen STI.

I figure, if I don't like the new one, I can always buy a 2013 STI. But if I buy one now, I'll more than likely have buyer's remorse when the new gen comes out (assuming I like it).
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:01 PM   #28
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That sold in record numbers. Funny how people still think it was hated soo much. Unless, of course, you meant your definition of "universal" is the NASIOC "universe".
The 08 STi, maybe. But the 08 WRX is the worst model they ever sold here (out of the WRX and STis), mechanically as well as carrying the stigma of the narrowbody with the ****ty TD04. A black sheep, essentially.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:07 PM   #29
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So I guess 2014 they're sticking with the same model design and 2015 would be the new model?
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:02 PM   #30
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The 08 STi, maybe. But the 08 WRX is the worst model they ever sold here (out of the WRX and STis), mechanically as well as carrying the stigma of the narrowbody with the ****ty TD04. A black sheep, essentially.
So you had one?
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:30 PM   #31
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The 08 STi, maybe. But the 08 WRX is the worst model they ever sold here (out of the WRX and STis), mechanically as well as carrying the stigma of the narrowbody with the ****ty TD04. A black sheep, essentially.
The 08 is actually a really good buy. One can be had for very cheap, slap on an VF54 off a newer WRX, mod the suspension and you have the lightest most capable new gen WRX.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:10 PM   #32
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are there any set dates as to when subaru is planning to show the actual new WRX?
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:13 PM   #33
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The 08 STi, maybe. But the 08 WRX is the worst model they ever sold here (out of the WRX and STis), mechanically as well as carrying the stigma of the narrowbody with the ****ty TD04. A black sheep, essentially.
They sold more. It "performed" better. Whether people liked the way it felt is the issue. Because it didn't make gobs more power, doesn't mean it was the worst model ever. The ONLY remorse we have got from our customers that got 08 WRXs were the ones that bought one within a week or two of the announcement of the 09(very few). Then we sold the rest of our 08s at lower prices to very happy customers. I don't even remember Subaru putting any incentives on the 08 WRXs and they sold. People really need to quit using NASIOC as the base for how many people in this world like or hate something. 5 people complain and that's it. It is the worst thing ever because they read it online(NASIOC).

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are there any set dates as to when subaru is planning to show the actual new WRX?
The only thing I heard was were were getting the new ones "A year from January". The way he said it, I couldn't confirm if that was "seeing" them, or them being on the lot. My feeling to it was them being on the lot.
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:37 PM   #34
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I traded in an '07 Sti Ltd (#735) for an '08 Sti based on a combined deal of $0 down, 0.0% for 60 mo, and $8k discount off $38k msrp... two years later I was up $8500 in the loan for trade-in when the engine blew at 40k mi. Best cah evah!

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Old 01-06-2013, 11:20 PM   #35
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They sold more. It "performed" better. Whether people liked the way it felt is the issue. Because it didn't make gobs more power, doesn't mean it was the worst model ever. The ONLY remorse we have got from our customers that got 08 WRXs were the ones that bought one within a week or two of the announcement of the 09(very few). Then we sold the rest of our 08s at lower prices to very happy customers. I don't even remember Subaru putting any incentives on the 08 WRXs and they sold. People really need to quit using NASIOC as the base for how many people in this world like or hate something. 5 people complain and that's it. It is the worst thing ever because they read it online(NASIOC).=
I'm not saying it's the worst thing ever. It's still a solid car. But in retrospect, even as early as when the 2009's were announced, it's the weakest link in the lineup that Subaru has put forward in the States.

It took them a year to realize the limp dick setup they had going there, and then they put the VF52 in the WRX's. Which brings me back to my original point: first year models can be a bit risky, unless Subaru actually gets it right the first time. In terms of the styling, it took until 2011 (in some people's, including my, opinion).
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:34 PM   #36
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Jesus Christ! I think "this is the upcoming Wrx." They did the samething with the GR version. Everyone said it was just a mule but then the real one came out, and it looked just like the mule except with alittle more detail. It makes the GR hatch look like a queen.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:24 AM   #37
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Jesus Christ! I think "this is the upcoming Wrx." They did the samething with the GR version. Everyone said it was just a mule but then the real one came out, and it looked just like the mule except with alittle more detail. It makes the GR hatch look like a queen.
If this ends up being the case I am out. However, everything Subaru higher ups said contradicts this theory. I keep reminding my self of that statement "have high expectations". We will have to wait and see.

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Old 01-07-2013, 12:31 AM   #38
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When we were first seeing GR prototypes they were wearing heavy camouflage. This one is not, plus it's got a duct taped on hood scoop. These 2 things should make it obvious that it's simply a drivetrain mule.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:05 AM   #39
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Oh god, not another thread about this car.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:19 AM   #40
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Oh god, not another thread about this car.
Let's face it, it's the only thing brewing in Subies product line that is interesting enough to talk about. A rengineered WRX is always big news.

But dear Valhala, please don't wait until 2015 to delay the 2.0 DIT 6 spd!!! That means I won't be purchasing a new WRX, and will be most likely "settling" for something like a new FXT or something altogether different like a used 370Z for fair weather driving, and the Rex will become my DD.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:37 AM   #41
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Honestly, if they make the new wrx/sti and years to follow unappealing, it wouldn't bother me. There are 12 years of wrx's floating around, 10 years of sti's, and 7 years of the gc's. Thats just the US models too.

You can always hope the new ones get better looking and perform better, but all good things come to an end. What is it now, 20 years of impreza's??? That's a pretty good run of the cars we love.

So for me, I'm set for probably the rest of my life with all the older models floating around
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:58 AM   #42
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The only thing I heard was were were getting the new ones "A year from January". The way he said it, I couldn't confirm if that was "seeing" them, or them being on the lot. My feeling to it was them being on the lot.
I hope you are right about the "lot". I am most likely buying something this summer if I don't see something more "official" from Subaru.
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It took them a year to realize the limp dick setup they had going there, and then they put the VF52 in the WRX's. Which brings me back to my original point: first year models can be a bit risky, unless Subaru actually gets it right the first time. In terms of the styling, it took until 2011 (in some people's, including my, opinion).
I never considered it a "limp" dick. It was obvious to me at the time what Subaru was tying to do. The STI was to become the aggressive Performance car and the WRX was to become more of the Tourer type vehicle. If you look at it that way, they did it right.

On the other hand in my lowly 2008 WRX, with a new sway bars and a Cobb unit at the track, during a driving school I was able to drive away from a Lotus, catch a Vette, and pass a Ferarri at the Novice level. The next year at the Intermediate level I was able to hold my own against a couple of 350Zs and pass a BMW 325 and JCW Cooper at will. I did get killed by a couple of Vettes!
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I am seeing a whole lot of no "way this is the new WRX (mule)" but I want to remind everyone that when Subaru announced the STI would be coming stateside to compete with the EVO 8 everyone said "no way will it be a 2.5" despite the fact we had seen pictures of the EJ25 prototypes sporting the STI's red intake. I would never say never when HYPE and GUESSING pay Dividens for interest in an upcoming model from a car manufacturer.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:28 AM   #45
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Except subaru has stated already that the WRX AND STI will be on a completely separate platform from the impreza and in no way shape or form have anything in common with the impreza anymore other than boxer engine and all wheel drive.

why do people ignore what Subaru says and come up with stupid crap to say of their own is beyond me.
Please link to where you're getting your information.

The only thing I have seen printed, or heard stated is that they are splitting the lines. Not that they won't have a common chassis, or any other similarities.

There isn't enough information to draw the conclusions you've come to, it could mean what you're saying, and it could simply mean that the WRX and STI don't have the words Impreza on the car, and aren't found on the website under the Impreza heading.

All that you're doing is spreading your personal conclusions that is at best only going to make you disappointed if it doesn't come to fruition, and at worst, if people take what you say for reality, there will be more people that are disappointed and unhappy with Subaru, all because they believed what you say.

So, do yourself, and us a favor, if you read this somewhere from the mouth of a Subaru representative, please link it, otherwise, don't try to pass your assumptions (or the assumption of random car blogs trying to drum up readership) as fact.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:34 AM   #46
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The only thing I heard was were were getting the new ones "A year from January". The way he said it, I couldn't confirm if that was "seeing" them, or them being on the lot. My feeling to it was them being on the lot.
Has Subaru ever had a new model hit the lot in January? Maybe make its official debut at next years NAIAS as a 2015 model and hit the lots in the spring/summer.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:54 AM   #47
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This is just video from the testing that was spied this summer:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2398729
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/24/2...in-the-states/

Nothing new, not even an interesting sound. But good find!

I'm still holding onto hope that the new WRX will make it to US dealer lots a year from now like Justy surmises. That makes the most sense if you add up everything except Nick Seniors' recent comments, which seemed odd anyhow. Maybe a reveal/JDM launch in Tokyo in November? That could work Need an emoticon for nervous.

Also, if you think the WRX will look like this mule, ...

That is me rolling my eyes so hard, I go blind.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:54 AM   #48
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Has Subaru ever had a new model hit the lot in January? Maybe make its official debut at next years NAIAS as a 2015 model and hit the lots in the spring/summer.
The new Impreza showed up in Nov/Dec and the new Forester is getting here in Feb, so it's not too far fetched. It's good timing for me to trade in my BRZ for one but please for the love of god don't make it look like that.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:41 PM   #49
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i would prefer that. all the enjoyment of the wrx without (as much of) an insurance premium...?
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