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Old 03-25-2013, 09:56 AM   #1626
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It just occured to me that this splitting of the WRX and Impreza into separate models doesnt mean that the Impreza wont be offered in STi trim.

I have a feeling we will see the following in the coming months/years:

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Doubtful.. unless the next WRX STI gets 35mpg on the highway Subaru is going to produce very few of them and there certainly will not be any room for multiple STI models. I'd be far less surprised to see a Forester STI since the CAFE 'light truck' designation means it won't impact their fleet average nearly as badly.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:13 AM   #1627
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It just occured to me that this splitting of the WRX and Impreza into separate models doesnt mean that the Impreza wont be offered in STi trim.

I have a feeling we will see the following in the coming months/years:

WRX
Impreza
WRX STi
Impreza STi

So you folks who want 300+ hp and 4-5 door practicality get your cake and eat it too with Impreza STi.

and folks who want a true competitor can get a WRX STi for light weight, small yet powerful, 2/3 awd sports monster.

Subaru squeezes out the awesome juice from the Impreza WRX STi and pour it into a concentrated little cup for the true rally-race diehards in the form of a new small 2/3 door.

As the old saying goes, "3 doors or less, awesome success! 4 doors or more, GROCERY STORE!"
There is no way on earth you did not just make that up...
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:26 AM   #1628
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There is no way on earth you did not just make that up...
Of course he did, and it's by far the screwiest idea I've heard yet.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:27 AM   #1629
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Doubtful.. unless the next WRX STI gets 35mpg on the highway Subaru is going to produce very few of them and there certainly will not be any room for multiple STI models. I'd be far less surprised to see a Forester STI since the CAFE 'light truck' designation means it won't impact their fleet average nearly as badly.
Sadly, this.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:32 AM   #1630
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If any of you think you can hit 4.7 seconds on your WRX like it is an attainable number on a daily basis then you keep on believing that. HA HA.
I have also owned more Subaru's then a lot of people here, and I do know it is not that difficult to achieve that number. Most of the numbers I have actually seen posted by editors are slower than what the car is capable. But everything really depends on how hard people are willing to thrash their car around.


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Old 03-25-2013, 10:43 AM   #1631
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I have also owned more Subaru's then a lot of people here, and I do know it is not that difficult to achieve that number. Most of the numbers I have actually seen posted by editors are slower than what the car is capable. But everything really depends on how hard people are willing to thrash their car around.

I think that's why he said daily. 0-60 is a misleading stat for a car that will get driven as a commute for most people. Rolling 5-60 makes more sense, as most people aren't launching each light.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:00 AM   #1632
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EDIT,

Just about NOBODY is holding the revs at 5500 rpm and side stepping the clutch.

NOBODY
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:09 AM   #1633
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I launched my STI once.. it was quick.. it was also a waste of clutch. My WRX ('08.. low boost threshold) would hit 60 sub 6 seconds with a sub-2000rpm clutch release. It was a stupid quick car around town.. my STI had to be beat on to get any kind of decent acceleration. Driving like a sane individual it was a dog off the line.
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:19 PM   #1634
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I tried to launch my '02 WRX once by revving it up and side stepping the clutch. I cried a little bit afterwards in sympathy for the abuse I caused it. I never even attempted launching my STI.
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:21 PM   #1635
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It just occured to me that this splitting of the WRX and Impreza into separate models doesnt mean that the Impreza wont be offered in STi trim.

I have a feeling we will see the following in the coming months/years:

WRX
Impreza
WRX STi
Impreza STi

So you folks who want 300+ hp and 4-5 door practicality get your cake and eat it too with Impreza STi.

and folks who want a true competitor can get a WRX STi for light weight, small yet powerful, 2/3 awd sports monster.

Subaru squeezes out the awesome juice from the Impreza WRX STi and pour it into a concentrated little cup for the true rally-race diehards in the form of a new small 2/3 door.

As the old saying goes, "3 doors or less, awesome success! 4 doors or more, GROCERY STORE!"
He could be right...
Take a regular Impreza add...
All the STI parts seen on the BRZ STI concept and voila!!! You have an Impreza STI! There might not be any performance enhancement, but it would have all those shiny STI parts.
That is of course if the STI moniker just becomes a sub model of a particular model line.
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:38 PM   #1636
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If Subaru pulled the Legacy GT from the US market, what makes you think they'll offer an STi Impreza?

The focus of the Impreza is a small, fuel efficient AWD car. Performance is not part of the deal. And for folks who just want a Sporty look, the Impreza Sport is already there for that option.
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:07 PM   #1637
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Remember: STI is not a stand-alone model, it is a trim of various models. I don't think Subaru could make a stand-alone unique-body-style STI profitable anyway. Volume is just not there, and Subaru has seen what happens when they try to go upmarket with the pricing instead. Subaru is a VALUE brand, not a caché brand. For an STI version to be a good value, it can't be a stand-alone model, IMHO. (They'd have to name it something different besides "STI" anyway... that'd be way to confusing to have a model named "STI" and trims of others also called "STI" .)
When I say "STI" to mean a specific car, I do mean the WRX-derived STI. I believe in other markets they've dropped the "Impreza" naming and badging. You're right, though, I should've specified "WRX STI". I also don't believe that it can be a standalone model, but I just don't want Subaru to sacrifice performance for comfort. I think the WRX should be more geared towards comfort and the STI should kick you in your pants at every turn.

If they can make the STI as rewarding and engaging to drive as the BRZ they'd revolutionize the game of AWD performance at a mortally-attainable price bracket.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:13 PM   #1638
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Check out this leaked drivetrain comparison of new WRX vs. old that I found that I didn't make in MS paint in 5 mins



I was just messing around, thinking about the BRZ and WRX layouts and AWD. Simply integrate a forward drive shaft and front differential into the engine block and you have a WRX with BRZ balance! Note that I lengthened the wheelbase a tad vs. WRX to allow for some legroom, I'm sure the handling trade-off would be worthwhile. You could have a Mazda-long hood and plenty of room for cooling system radiators

Sorry, just trying to entertain myself a bit, really looking forward to Thursday.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:17 PM   #1639
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I think the WRX should be more geared towards comfort and the STI should kick you in your pants at every turn.
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Yep. Kind of like I have always said...When approaching a curvy country road in a WRX a smile should come to your face. Approach that same road in a STI and you should start to sweat.

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If I only believed in miracles!
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:18 PM   #1640
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Check out this leaked drivetrain comparison of new WRX vs. old that I found that I didn't make in MS paint in 5 mins



I was just messing around, thinking about the BRZ and WRX layouts and AWD. Simply integrate a forward drive shaft and front differential into the engine block and you have a WRX with BRZ balance! Note that I lengthened the wheelbase a tad vs. WRX to allow for some legroom, I'm sure the handling trade-off would be worthwhile. You could have a Mazda-long hood and plenty of room for cooling system radiators

Sorry, just trying to entertain myself a bit, really looking forward to Thursday.
Stop it!!!!!
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:19 PM   #1641
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Check out this leaked drivetrain comparison of new WRX vs. old that I found that I didn't make in MS paint in 5 mins



I was just messing around, thinking about the BRZ and WRX layouts and AWD. Simply integrate a forward drive shaft and front differential into the engine block and you have a WRX with BRZ balance! Note that I lengthened the wheelbase a tad vs. WRX to allow for some legroom, I'm sure the handling trade-off would be worthwhile. You could have a Mazda-long hood and plenty of room for cooling system radiators

Sorry, just trying to entertain myself a bit, really looking forward to Thursday.
If this is ture....... I am going head to the dealership next weekend to put down a deposit. If they let me....
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Ummm...can't wait for Thursday then

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Old 03-25-2013, 03:11 PM   #1643
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If this is ture....... I am going head to the dealership next weekend to put down a deposit. If they let me....
Of course it's true! Fredzy just thunk it up, so now it's reality!
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:24 PM   #1644
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Of course it's true! Fredzy just thunk it up, so now it's reality!
I shoulda worked for FHI. Eh, the offices are probably outdated.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:47 PM   #1645
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I think you're over qualified. They don't have anyone with the skills to use MS Paint that well and they can't afford you
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:59 PM   #1646
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Wait...It's not real?!!? Oh, the horrors!
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:01 PM   #1647
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Of course it's true! Fredzy just thunk it up, so now it's reality!
Heh. Reading is fundamental, except on NASIOC.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:14 PM   #1648
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EDIT,

Just about NOBODY is holding the revs at 5500 rpm and side stepping the clutch.

NOBODY

I have launch control that builds 10 psi at a standstill and I still don't side step... so I'll agree with this.

But it's true that you absolutely have to hate your transmission to get the spec 0-60 times. The 0-60 spec on a turbo car is really not a very useful number for a daily driver. Before I swapped my engine to the 207, there are times I would have rather had my wife's Corolla than an EJ205 powered WRX as a daily driver. There are times you just want to be able to have some power without winding everything up.

The EJ255/257 is A TON better in that regard, and I'm pretty confident the 2.0DIT will be even better.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:20 PM   #1649
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I was just messing around, thinking about the BRZ and WRX layouts and AWD. Simply integrate a forward drive shaft and front differential into the engine block and you have a WRX with BRZ balance!

The engineer in me would LOVE to see your proposed clutch design.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:46 PM   #1650
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^ cough Ferrari FF cough
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