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Old 01-08-2013, 08:49 AM   #1
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Let me start off by saying I will be taking this to my mechanic as soon as I get out of work. I want to try to narrow down the possible cause before I get there so I don't have to spend hours with him just staring at it

OK, so here's the story. On my way to work, I was going on an entrance ramp that curves to the right and going the suggested speed limit. Mid-turn, my rear wheels kicked out and I began to oversteer, barely dodging the guardrails and other drivers. This scared the living crap out of me and I thought I might have hit a patch of ice, but I was wrong. When I got to work, I noticed that when I steered to the right it wasn't as responsive as it should be... like it took awhile for the wheels to actually want to face that direction (steering left acts like it normally should). I drove my car around the parking lot to make sure it wasn't just my imagination and I was able to reproduce this symptom multiple times...
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:36 AM   #2
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I can't see the pic of the bolt (stupid work computer) but here's my advice: DON'T DRIVE THE CAR. You have an issue with your steering and a broken bolt that may or may not be related. Have the car towed to the shop for inspection. Towing the car is a lot less expensive than crashing it.
2012 should be covered under warranty, unless you have modded it.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:38 AM   #3
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Pic of the bolt doesnt load.

Dont drive the car.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:54 AM   #4
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I fixed the link to be workplace friendly :embarrased:

I'll be getting it towed for sure at this point. Just sucks that my office is 40 minutes from home...
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:57 AM   #5
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That looks like a nylon lock nut on a piece of a bolt that was sheared off. Get a better picture. Maybe it's an endlink bolt/shank/part.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:58 AM   #6
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Ive never seen a fastener like that on a Subaru.

Unless thats a wheel nut and a stud snapped off stuck into it.
Its too small to be a wheel nut/stud.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:05 AM   #7
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Macro setting on any camera or camera phone
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:08 AM   #8
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Is your car stock or is it modified?
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:19 AM   #9
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I only have power mods, nothing with suspension. Just went on a little smoke break to check under the car... sways and endlinks are still in place and I didn't see anything else out of the ordinary. Yea... it was a phone camera, it's all I have at my disposal
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:24 AM   #10
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Back off so we can actually see the fastener.

But I dont think thats from your car. I cant think of a place on the car that has a M6 fastener with that type of nut (cant tell if its a nylock or if its a conical seat)
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:38 AM   #11
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That looks like a nylon lock nut on a piece of a bolt that was sheared off. Get a better picture. Maybe it's an endlink bolt/shank/part.
I guess I missed this post. It is, in fact, a nylon lock nut on a sheared bolt piece and I couldn't find the bolt head itself. That is honestly the best quality picture my phone (LG env3) can take and I apologize for that. Would you guys happen to know all (or most) of the parts associated with steering that would have a bolt/nut this size? This is going to drive me crazy until I get towed in 2 hours
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:41 AM   #12
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Im going to say again I dont believe that fastener is from your car.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:43 AM   #13
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The only possibility is thats the end of a T-Bolt clamp, which would be unrelated to your steering issue.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:54 AM   #14
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The only possibility is thats the end of a T-Bolt clamp, which would be unrelated to your steering issue.
If you hear a loud clunking sound all the way over there in boston, that's me slamming my head against my desk as hard as I can. I did, in fact, break a t-bolt clamp about 10 days ago when I was cleaning the oil from my TMIC. I feel like a total retard right now...

Riddle me this... why would it steer left fine but slowly turn right no matter how fast I turn the wheel? Wouldn't a broken piece affect both directions?
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:58 AM   #15
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Lol @ my detective work. I saw a tbolt clamp in a pic of your engine bay in your intro thread.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:59 AM   #16
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Was the steering whe off center while you were driving this morning?
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:06 PM   #17
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Stalking my threads, eh?

I'll give you a detailed description as best as I can...
The steering wheel was always centered when going straight. If I turned either way, the wheel would try to stay in that direction instead of slowly moving back to being centered like it usually did. Whenever I turned right, I got that feeling like it wasn't turning as fast as I was turning the wheel, but it did eventually turn as hard as I was making it turn. I first noticed how slowly it turned right when I was on a curved entrance ramp, which ultimately led me to start oversteering straight toward a guard rail. I don't even know how I avoided that one.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:20 PM   #18
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I was bored and curious. Sometimes noobs don't think their mods are related to their problems and won't mention them.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:40 PM   #19
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UPDATE:
Went to get an alignment and everything seemed to be within factory specs, but the rear crosscamber is off by 0.8 degrees (left -0.8, right -1.6). I looked up if this could be causing my odd steering problem, but most related threads had no definitive answer. Does anyone know if this could be causing my car to randomly steer left or right when driving?

P.S. For safe measures, I threw it on a lift and checked my control arms, tie rods, ball joints, bushings, endlinks, sway bars, and everything else related to suspension. Neither my mechanic or I found anything amiss. I even went to two other shops to get it all checked and no one found out what is wrong.

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Old 01-11-2013, 03:55 PM   #20
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Went to get an alignment and everything seemed to be within factory specs, but the rear crosscamber is off by 0.8 degrees (left -0.8, right -1.6). I looked up if this could be causing my odd steering problem, but most related threads had no definitive answer. Does anyone know if this could be causing my car to randomly steer left or right when driving?

P.S. For safe measures, I threw it on a lift and checked my control arms, tie rods, ball joints, bushings, endlinks, sway bars, and everything else related to suspension. Neither my mechanic or I found anything amiss. I even went to two other shops to get it all checked and no one found out what is wrong.
The diff in camber may make it want to track to one side, it shouldn't make the back end suddenly step out though. Do you have a bad wheel bearing? A wheel bearing that has some play and allows the wheel to instantly change camber mid corner, could cause that. This happened on my buddies Audi 4000 track car, although he was driving it right at the limit. The back end would just suddenly step out, needed some quick hands to catch it. We parked the car and will fix it before taking it out again.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:11 PM   #21
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The diff in camber may make it want to track to one side, it shouldn't make the back end suddenly step out though. Do you have a bad wheel bearing? A wheel bearing that has some play and allows the wheel to instantly change camber mid corner, could cause that. This happened on my buddies Audi 4000 track car, although he was driving it right at the limit. The back end would just suddenly step out, needed some quick hands to catch it. We parked the car and will fix it before taking it out again.
I checked my wheel bearings and they had no play, which is the way it should be because it's a fairly new car (bought it 6 months ago). That's one of the first things I checked after we did the alignment. All we noticed was the rear left tire's camber was a bit wonky, but it was still within the acceptable range. I took the car out to an empty parking lot and did some tight turns to see if that would throw out the alignment more, but it still had the same toe/camber readings. I'm thinking about picking up some adjustable camber bolts to re-align the rear to see if that fixes it. If you, or anyone else, has possible suggestions for finding the cause, please let me know. I haven't been able to safely go over 65mph in almost 2 weeks now

FWIW, I've been taking mental notes of when my car decides to steer on its own. It seems to favor going left more than right, even moreso when turning.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:43 PM   #22
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Have you figured this out? Having a similar, but less extreme, problem with my car. Seems like my problem is in the front end though, not the rear. I haven't been able to take it to the shop yet, and I was thinking i just needed an alignment but this thread makes me think its something more. It wants to pull to the right, and i feel like it turns better one way more so than the other.
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:34 PM   #23
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It was partially due to cross-camber in the rear and the powersteering line not being on tight enough. I got an alignment and put clamps over the ends of the powersteering line (between the resevoir and the rack) and the problem dissapeared.
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