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Old 01-10-2013, 11:56 AM   #1
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Honda came to the idea of making a smaller version of the NSX with four-wheel drive from its work on the successor to the NSX, which will be an all-wheel drive hybrid vehicle powered by a V10 engine. Honda clarifies that this won’t be the replacement for the Honda S2000 and that it will only be a smaller version of the NSX. It will likely be powered by a turbocharged direct-injection engine, probably a K24 series engine. There’s speculation that it will be equipped with the K24Z3 with a displacement of 2,354cc, 201hp @ 7000rpm and 233Nm (172lb/ft) @ 4300rpm. Honda of America's R&D center in Ohio is developing the two cars. This is why the Acura name is used by the concepts. Some of the top test drivers and engineers at Honda’s headquarters in Tokyo, Japan, were assigned to the North American R&D center for a five-year period. However, we already know that the bigger NSX will be released in 2015, which means that the baby NSX will likely be released in 2017. The small NSX will have many of the same components used by its bigger sibling so this will help in the recovery of the development costs. Nevertheless, the price of the small sports car will be comparatively high at about €46.000 ($60.000).
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:00 PM   #2
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Don't **** it up. Make it competitive. 60k for what seems relatively low HP right now is already starting to bash heads with what my first sentence said.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:22 PM   #3
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It will be competent and possibly even good looking. Unfortunately it will likely be overpriced and slower than cars that costs thousands less and sell in very small quantities just like its big brother.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:54 PM   #4
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Slow and overpriced, the defining features of the NSX. j/k I love the NSX too. But still.

Really, this seems nonsensical. Maybe if the $150k NSX = R8 V10 performance, $60k mini NSX = M3 performance, $30k S2000 = S2000 performance, that could work?

Not that I have an iota of faith in Honda to get this stuff right. It'll all be heavy on the hybrid and light on everything good.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:53 PM   #5
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$60k, 201hp.

Yeah, no. Unless it's made of pure carbon fiber, it's just not going to sell. With that little power, they would be better off trying to market it as a new MR2. $25-30k, lightweight "drivers car". Give the Toybaru some healthy competition.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:00 PM   #6
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Honestly Honda could pick up right where the NSX left, and would have a winner. Seriously why would it be so hard to do what they've already done and could still make affordable, reliable, light, fast, and efficient.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:52 PM   #8
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Honestly Honda could pick up right where the NSX left, and would have a winner. Seriously why would it be so hard to do what they've already done and could still make affordable, reliable, light, fast, and efficient.
Well the problem is the NSX wasn't a winner as far as sales go. I think they were great cars and ahead of their time but they sold just over 18,000 of them in 15 years worldwide and after starting out well in the first couple of years sales dropped off fast. Hardly what I would call a winner.
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Well the problem is the NSX wasn't a winner as far as sales go. I think they were great cars and ahead of their time but they sold just over 18,000 of them in 15 years worldwide and after starting out well in the first couple of years sales dropped off fast. Hardly what I would call a winner.
Of course it was an expensive low volume car. Not an Accord.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:20 PM   #10
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$60k, 201hp.

Yeah, no. Unless it's made of pure carbon fiber, it's just not going to sell. With that little power, they would be better off trying to market it as a new MR2. $25-30k, lightweight "drivers car". Give the Toybaru some healthy competition.
While they listed the specs coinciding with the K24 in today's Civic Si, they did specify that it would likely be powered by a turbocharged version of that engine. Rest assured they probably won't sell a ar for $60,000 that has the same engine in a $22,000 car... one that gets criticized enough as it is.

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Of course it was an expensive low volume car. Not an Accord.
It wasn't so much the volume that he was talking about as much as it was how sharply the sales declined each following year after its release.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:27 PM   #11
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LmAO! Does Honda really expect people to be stupid enough to pay $60k for their baby NSx (201hp @ 7000rpm and 233Nm (172lb/ft) )?

Jesus christ! Its just an NSX. Screw honda. Porsche makes a better performance car.
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Yea it is kind of expensive, but if it comes out to be excellent then it could be a hit.

I mean people do pay >50k for <200hp... look at the Elise, or even that Honda engined open top kit car thing (forgot the name).

I think its all the badge mentality. Honda built the NSX which pretty much embarrassed the Ferrari and Porsche at the time. Because of the high priced, people wouldn't want to chalk up the money just because it's a "Honda" --even though it was better built and more capable than a Ferrari 348.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:31 PM   #13
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First off, I can tell you at that price, its not going to be a hit with some people. if build, it'll probably be discontinued in a couple of years.
Why even bother. Why not just make another s2k instead? Its more affordable.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:56 PM   #14
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That article says a turbo K24-series in one sentence and then a regular K24 in the next. I have to say, while the addition of a "low-end" model NSX seems likely, it would probably be powered by by a V6+hybrid or turbo K24+hybrid at the least.
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I think its all the badge mentality. Honda built the NSX which pretty much embarrassed the Ferrari and Porsche at the time. Because of the high priced, people wouldn't want to chalk up the money just because it's a "Honda" --even though it was better built and more capable than a Ferrari 348.
But that didn't last long. People shelled out the money initially, but not long afterward, the F355 and 911 (993) came out and were much better than their predecessors... likely one notable reason why people weren't buying NSXs from that point forward. Seriously, the lifespan of the NSX in its one and only generation existed through four Ferrari generations (348, F355, 360 and F430) and three Porsche 911 generations (964, 993 and 996). So it enjoyed its fifteen minutes of fame, but the competing car that it was "better" than was replaced long before the NSX got a single noteworthy upgrade.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:08 PM   #16
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Come on folks, don't be naive here. No sane person is going to spend 60K on a 200 hp vehicle. It won't come out with that and the article is purely speculative and is stating the specs of your run-of-the-mill K24.
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I would have thought Honda would dub this a baby NSX then call it a day

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Honda needs to put some people on the chopping block.


Just nut up and make a all out NSX that can compete with the GTR.

Give me the S2000 back with a little more horsepower.
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meh. If going with a 4/cyl. engine, how about doing a MR2-style car instead? And price it Accordingly. And I thought Porsches were overpriced...
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Just nut up and make a all out NSX that can compete with the GTR.

Give me the S2000 back with a little more horsepower.
It will cost substantially more than the GTR, go much slower and get marginally better fuel economy all thanks to hybrid BS.
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Give me the S2000 back with a little more horsepower.
This.

I would be extremely happy with an f20/22 that had DI. Only change I would make is make it standard hard top, maybe not even offer a convertible .

I would also be sad since I banked on the fact that Honda wasn't coming out with another cool car anywhere in the near future when deciding to build my current s2000 :P.
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I would be extremely happy with an f20/22 that had DI.
This, Honda. This.

But usually when car companies make something you really like, they know it; and they end up charging too much for it.
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That's usually what happens when something is in high demand... unless you bought early before the prices went up.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:46 PM   #24
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That's usually what happens when something is in high demand... unless you bought early before the prices went up.
In the process of limiting production at first, they almost always overcompensate later expecting people to still be waiting to buy it, when instead many move on to the next best thing (because Americans hate delayed satisfaction), which ultimately ends in the car getting canceled due to "bad sales".
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