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Old 01-07-2013, 02:06 PM   #1
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Toyota has quietly made a change in most of its models that could save lives if a car's accelerator sticks open -- and it's not the one at the center of the $1.1-billion settlement of Toyota's unintended acceleration lawsuits.
Toyota has modified the start-stop buttons in most of its models so that they shut the engine off after three quick pushes, or after being continuously pushed for two seconds. That's two big changes from the old policy that required a continuous three-second push in order to shut down the power.
The start-stop button was cited as a factor in the crash that killed an off-duty California Highway Patrol officer and three family members outside San Diego three years ago. The investigation found that in a panic situation, a button required a much longer push than intuitively would be expected to turn off the engine. But Toyota officials defended it at the time, saying it was important to make sure that drivers or their passengers didn't turn off the car inadvertantly by brushing against it.
A few remaining Toyota or Lexus models -- Toyota didn't specify which ones -- are yet to get the change to a two-second push. The change to the two-second push started a year ago, says Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons in an email to USA TODAY. And all Toyota and Lexus vehicles, starting in August, 2010, now have buttons that will shut off the engine after three quick pushes, as one might expect in a panic situation.
Lyons says the changes made to vehicles with the start-stop buttons resulted in part from recommendations from a committee of the SAE, once called the Society of Automotive Engineers, the auto industry's engineering brain trust. They effect only cars with the buttons, part of the "electronic key" ignitions instead of the traditional kind where you insert a metal key and twist it to the start the engine,
In order to reach a preliminary settlement of its unintended-acceleration lawsuits, Toyota said it would pay to have pedals of many of its non-hybrid models modified so that they, too, would turn off the engine if they detect multiple pushes as if the driver were trying to make a panic stop.


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Old 01-07-2013, 02:13 PM   #2
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:31 PM   #3
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Wooptee doo.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:35 PM   #4
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Wooptee doo.
seriously. Almost all of these cases were due to driver error, but they swear they had thier foot on the brakes!

This isn't going to solve anything. Other than make people feel moar safe and consequently drive moar reckless.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:16 PM   #5
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This is sort of stupid, but given that Toyota is the mainstream of the mainstream, they really have to cater to the lowest common denominator. Make everything completely idiot proof.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:27 PM   #6
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^^^ At least until a better idiot gets behind the wheel and panics in a emergency situation. Big red "KILL" button on the dash like vehicle test mules have would obviously have been better.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:32 PM   #7
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An additional enhancement to the button comes to mind, that would be even harder to bump, e.g. a small handle that can be rotated in place, with some force, to turn off the engine (and then back on.) This handle could even be made removable for additional security of the vehicle.
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An additional enhancement to the button comes to mind, that would be even harder to bump, e.g. a small handle that can be rotated in place, with some force, to turn off the engine (and then back on.) This handle could even be made removable for additional security of the vehicle.
The pushbutton is cool and all but really it's simply not a great replacement for the standard turn style ignition. There is zero advantages and it adds what seems to be a lot of confusion for motorists.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:10 AM   #9
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An additional enhancement to the button comes to mind, that would be even harder to bump, e.g. a small handle that can be rotated in place, with some force, to turn off the engine (and then back on.) This handle could even be made removable for additional security of the vehicle.


You mean something similar to a key?
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:13 AM   #10
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This is sort of stupid, but given that Toyota is the mainstream of the mainstream, they really have to cater to the lowest common denominator. Make everything completely idiot proof.
Something something Apple something...
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You mean something similar to a key?
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:24 AM   #12
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There is zero advantages
Unfortunately that just means you're a biased ignoramus.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:29 PM   #13
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Anyway still disappointing the car companies could not just standardize these stupid buttons so they always work the same. This sounds like the proposed idea though.
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Unfortunately that just means you're a biased ignoramus.
Name a tangible advantage Sherlock.
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Name a tangible advantage Sherlock.

I have to ask what your definition of advantage is? I could go either way with keys or keyless, but one advantage I have come accross is the simple fact you don't have to get your key out to do anything. Customers LOVE that. Been a regular complaint for several years now from my customers. My dealer has Nissan also and it is right next door. Probably 85-90% of what they sell has push button start.

I don't own any keyless features, but it is sure nice when I am moving cars around on the lot. Instead of fumbling around finding the right key for the right car, I just get in and turn it on.
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I have to ask what your definition of advantage is? I could go either way with keys or keyless, but one advantage I have come accross is the simple fact you don't have to get your key out to do anything. Customers LOVE that. Been a regular complaint for several years now from my customers. My dealer has Nissan also and it is right next door. Probably 85-90% of what they sell has push button start.

I don't own any keyless features, but it is sure nice when I am moving cars around on the lot. Instead of fumbling around finding the right key for the right car, I just get in and turn it on.
Well manufacturers have the keyless with a little nub in the steering column that acts like a dummy key. As long as you have the fob in you posession you can turn the dummy key just like you would any car. That's what my EVO X MR had and it was perfect. That IMO is the best of the both worlds as it's in a universal spot on every car.

Manufacturers are locating their pushbuttons all over the place which makes it different every car you get into. I can imagine once you get used to where it is it becomes second nature but I know just renting cars I'm always looking around when I get in to find the button and likely in a life and death situation may not be able to locate it in time with a car I've only been able to drive for a short time. Really even if four people die (legit or out of stupidity) because of it IMO that's four people too many for what is essentially style over substance with these pushbuttons.
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