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Old 01-12-2013, 02:19 AM   #1
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Default stock HIDs vs H9's in halogen projectors

I love the light output from the h9s in my stock halogen projectors, but I miss the hid look/color. I've read that the factory limited wrx/sti hids aren't that great, so would sticking with my h9s be better (light output wise) or should I spend 600 on some used hid lights?

If anyone has comparison pics, that would be awesome.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:40 PM   #2
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You could easily retrofit them for less that half of that.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:55 PM   #3
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This is my retrofitted lights, high beams are also on
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:20 AM   #4
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I'm honestly scared to retro. Maybe if I could find a cheap set of extra lights.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:32 AM   #5
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Do a month of research and you will be fine. The Retrofit source has made things way too easy nowadays. With the user friendly stuff out there now, I could probably do one in less than 2 hours, where as back in the day it was completely a custom job and could take a few days to weeks depending on the work involved.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:47 AM   #6
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Do a month of research and you will be fine. The Retrofit source has made things way too easy nowadays. With the user friendly stuff out there now, I could probably do one in less than 2 hours, where as back in the day it was completely a custom job and could take a few days to weeks depending on the work involved.
Would you guys recommend the morimoto $300 "plug and play kit?

One of my main concerns is alignment. I've heard that people had to open their lights back up after they were done to re align the projector or something. I would hate to do that.
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:09 AM   #7
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This kit?

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...roducts_id=254


Looks like it's $370. Can I find it cheaper anywhere else? I'm assuming I order the one for "08-11 impreza "?
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:12 AM   #8
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I don't have any firsthand experience with those. However I would definitely get the matsu****a ballasts as there is already a mounting base under the headlight for them. They are OEM for the limited and STI. I always mount and test the lights without the lenses prior to resealing them to adjust the alignment if need be.
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:15 AM   #9
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This kit?

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...roducts_id=254

Looks like it's $370. Can I find it cheaper anywhere else? I'm assuming I order the one for "08-11 impreza "?
I'm sure the ballasts and bulbs can be found cheaper elsewhere if you look around. The projectors and those brackets are TRS only products.
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I don't have any firsthand experience with those. However I would definitely get the matsu****a ballasts as there is already a mounting base under the headlight for them. They are OEM for the limited and STI. I always mount and test the lights without the lenses prior to resealing them to adjust the alignment if need be.
The site says the impreza kit comes with the matsu ballasts.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:40 PM   #11
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Stock STi projector HID retrofit. I spent $380, with 85122+ bulbs, 3Five ballasts, clear lenses, projectors . Easy retro to do (no cutting,drilling).
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:54 PM   #12
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Why would you use the sti projectors if you could have gotten the better Morimoto ones for the same price?
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:39 PM   #13
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Better by who's standards? The Mini D2S is a (relatively) weak D2S based system and the Mini H1 is hampered by bulb choice and various issues (solenoid, bulb hotspot centering, etc). I would buy an OEM projector over those any day.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:42 PM   #14
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I don't know I'm new to this stuff. I just read various people saying the OEM projector isn't good and the moto is better.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:21 PM   #15
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Not that I'm saying they're bad but I don't really think the sti's projectors are that great, but if you do use them a clear lens would make for a good cutoff

If I were to do it all over again without money being an object i'd get Acura tl projectors with rigid industries dually d2's for high beams
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Photos don't show the whole story usually, but here you go.




More here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=153

Besides the weird bowing that I am still trying to resolve, I see no way that the Mini projectors beat these, besides being bi-xenon and having a curved cutoff shield. The beam is full, wide enough to see everything in the woods left and right, and distance is great. If you spend time making your own curved shields then you really get a great system that rivals many good OEM projectors (RX300, TSX), but I don't have the time for that kind of work.

If I had the time and patience to do another retro (or if I get my hand on some extra reflector housings to play with), I would like to do a TL as well, but the burned bowl issues are worrisome.
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That does look good, I guess I'm just used to my brothers tl projectors for stock lights.
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I would certainly choose the STI projectors over any morimoto too. Like P.Rico said they are a good projector with a few tweaks.
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I haven't read much into them but are normal lenes able to be fit? Like a tsx-r or the sti-r ones to replace the fresnel lens
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Yes, member CarbonXe here used TSX-R lenses (probably from TRS), see his thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1948106

edit: Off topic: STI-R a completely different, 3 inch lense, for other applications. actually the STI-R 3 inch lens, which is a replica of the bugeye STI lenses, will not fit at all on a bugeye STi. It is smaller in diameter, but it does seem to have a similar optics. Anyways, the bugeye STI HID lenses are already clear lenses. Their problem is really the bowl aluminium plating quality, so there would be no point in changing the lenses.
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I used TSX-R lenses like CarbonXe did.



The focal length is 24 mm.

There is another lens that TRS now sells that is 29 mm (black body lens I think it's called). The description says it's also applicable for Impreza headlamps, but I'm not sure what the difference in focal length would do to the focus of the beam. I haven't measured the fresnel lens out of the stock projector to see what the focal length is, maybe I should do that soon.
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I see, thanks for the info.

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Old 01-22-2013, 12:09 AM   #23
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This is my retrofitted lights, high beams are also on
where did you get the parts for yours? They look great
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Thanks, the lows are morimoto mini d2s projectors, oem ballasts that Trs sells with it along with 4,300k 35watt bulbs. The high beams are morimoto 35 watt ballasts with 35watt 4,300k morimoto bulbs (re based 9005 hid bulbs) I got everything on Trs for $480 a little pricey but worth it for how much desolate roads I drive at night.
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I'm sure the ballasts and bulbs can be found cheaper elsewhere if you look around. The projectors and those brackets are TRS only products.
How does lightwerkz sell them if they are a trs only projector?

Reason I ask is because I just bought the projector and brackets from the "retro quik" system off lightwerkz for $100 shipped. Hell of a deal.

Now all I need is d2s bulbs and the d2s adapter for my existing PNP ballasts. No need for a relay right (only 35w)?
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