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Old 11-09-2013, 09:51 PM   #1
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Have a Nice Day? Freetown forest

So i was on the website for Freetown State forrest, it is now only open to 4 wheelers and dirt bikes.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:55 PM   #2
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And then?
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Old 11-09-2013, 10:08 PM   #3
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Is this named after Nathan Bedford Forrest?
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Old 11-09-2013, 11:45 PM   #4
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A+ thread, would read again.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:42 AM   #5
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i was kind of bummed out. i remember my friends posting pictures of them wheelin' there with their jeeps.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:53 AM   #6
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I hope to go there with my son next weekend.

But here is how Massachusetts works. Only about 1/3rd of the electorate votes, mostly Liberal. They elect extremely liberal legislators who believe government can make almost anything better, and pass lots and lots of laws.

As we speak, DCR has proposed over 30 pages of new laws that would further restrict use of this and other parks. And will probably succeed, unless enough people start saying "Your job is to make sure I'm left alone to live my life the way I want to, as long as I'm not preventing someone else from doing same."
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:13 AM   #7
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I hope to go there with my son next weekend.

But here is how Massachusetts works. Only about 1/3rd of the electorate votes, mostly Liberal. They elect extremely liberal legislators who believe government can make almost anything better, and pass lots and lots of laws.

As we speak, DCR has proposed over 30 pages of new laws that would further restrict use of this and other parks. And will probably succeed, unless enough people start saying "Your job is to make sure I'm left alone to live my life the way I want to, as long as I'm not preventing someone else from doing same."


God damn you're a one note dude.

Why do you live here? If you don't like the politics, perhaps you should move to someplace that's more your speed.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:44 AM   #8
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For once, I sort of agree with Garandman. Heck, I sold my Cobra because Mass decided to start enforcing the stupid epa rule requiring kit cars to have the engine, trans and rear unmodified from one vehicle with all pollution control stickers. Only mass enforces this. Have you bikers/atv'rs know the proper way to ride in state parks? You have to get one of the trail permits ahead of time and if you get one and dont show and check in twice, you are banned for the season. Buncha nannies
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:45 AM   #9
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God damn you're a one note dude. Why do you live here? If you don't like the politics, perhaps you should move to someplace that's more your speed.
Was that a "The south is for slow folk" joke?

OP, was there a point to the thread? Based solely on your initial post, seems like no.
You gave us the first half of the joke with no punch line.

I was online once and read that a moose, a cat, and a rabbi walked into a bar...

Aaaaaaand???

Try to actually form a conversation and not make people guess what the purpose of your statement was. For you, this seems to be a common... Thread? (see what I did there )
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:22 AM   #10
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i was originally curious if any members took their vehicles down there before they did this. It kinda sucks. I was hoping to go there and test out my XV but I guess i'll go somewhere else. Besides my trip to VT is in 2 weeks.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:22 PM   #11
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i was originally curious if any members took their vehicles down there before they did this. It kinda sucks. I was hoping to go there and test out my XV but I guess i'll go somewhere else. Besides my trip to VT is in 2 weeks.
That'd be awesome! That would also be a worthwhile post and/or question.
Why not actually say that rather than stopping half way through the post.
When you do that it
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:55 PM   #12
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God damn you're a one note dude.

Why do you live here? If you don't like the politics, perhaps you should move to someplace that's more your speed.
Here is the list of proposed rule changes from DCR.

In order to take my son dirt bike riding right now, I must buy an off road registration for his bike (even on private property), he must take an MSF course (no problem), he must be supervised by an adult, and he can only ride if he is "preparing for or engaged in a competition."

These proposed regs change the minus age to 14 - period. So a boy who has been riding safely for three years will suddenly not be able to ride on DCR property.

Ride a bicycle? State law says age 16 and under must wear a helmet. DCR has proposed changing it to 17 on DCR property.

I can go on for as long as you want or you can read it yourself and go to the hearing next week. You don't know whether you disagree with me or not - because you are not paying attention. I bet you were not even aware of this proposal.
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:57 PM   #13
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Ok?

I really don't care what you think about the DCR, that's not the point.

You constantly complain about the "liberals" in MA, clearly you are in the wrong place.

Is there a reason you choose to live here?
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:59 PM   #14
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Ok?

MOVE.
OK? I moved from Southie and you are still not satisfied!

Read!
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:59 PM   #15
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Here is the list of proposed rule changes from DCR.

In order to take my son dirt bike riding right now, I must buy an off road registration for his bike (even on private property), he must take an MSF course (no problem), he must be supervised by an adult, and he can only ride if he is "preparing for or engaged in a competition."

These proposed regs change the minus age to 14 - period. So a boy who has been riding safely for three years will suddenly not be able to ride on DCR property.

Ride a bicycle? State law says age 16 and under must wear a helmet. DCR has proposed changing it to 17 on DCR property.

I can go on for as long as you want or you can read it yourself and go to the hearing next week. You don't know whether you disagree with me or not - because you are not paying attention. I bet you were not even aware of this proposal.
One law closer to living in NH
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:59 PM   #16
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OK?

Read!
Updated my post.
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:03 PM   #17
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OK? I moved from Southie and you are still not satisfied!

Read!



I really, really don't care about the DCR proposed rules.

I'll ask again, why do you live here?
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:05 PM   #18
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I understand.

You are posting in a thread about actions of the DCR. But you do not care what the DCR does.

Were you aware of what the DCR are does, and what they are proposing, you might be outraged yourself.

Instead, you are defending Liberalism, without acquainting yourself with the issue at hand.

Q.E.D.
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OP - you misspelled "Forest!" Move!
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:23 PM   #20
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I understand.

You are posting in a thread about actions of the DCR. But you do not care what the DCR does.

Were you aware of what the DCR are does, and what they are proposing, you might be outraged yourself.

Instead, you are defending Liberalism, without acquainting yourself with the issue at hand.

Q.E.D.
You blamed the "liberals" for taking away freedoms.

You're the one who got this off the rails... yet you wont answer a SIMPLE question.
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I live across the street from a DCR trail (White Hall Resevoir) and am damn sure still going mountain biking with my 13 year old on the trail. He (and I) always wear helmets, and I have no beef with that.
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i was originally curious if any members took their vehicles down there before they did this. It kinda sucks. I was hoping to go there and test out my XV but I guess i'll go somewhere else. Besides my trip to VT is in 2 weeks.
I've had an at least partially off-road capable motorcycle since 2006 and never really looked at the 4 wheel stuff.

The future does not look good for public access. Generally the way it goes is some dbags tear up a trail, creating a call for closure. As more trails closed, the traffic at the remaining facilities goes up, further causing trail erosion. More clubs and commercial facilities are stepping in with private land, but that is of course not going to happen anywhere with high property values or taxes.

What has "saved" Freetown for motorcycles is that the trails are fairly challenging, so not someplace I'd take my son right now.

You could try the Hodges Dam area, and there are quite a few dirt roads, some pretty crusty, in the area around Mt Wachusett.

Most Subarus are OK for dirt roads but I doubt they'd get far on most 4wheeler trails I've seen. Get one front wheel up in the air on most of them and it's going to be a long afternoon.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:15 PM   #23
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i was originally curious if any members took their vehicles down there before they did this. It kinda sucks. I was hoping to go there and test out my XV but I guess i'll go somewhere else. Besides my trip to VT is in 2 weeks.
I did a little exploring with my old Toyota Pickup. I went right after a decent storm so there were tons of puddles everywhere. I took the unintelligent approach of driving right through the center (don't try that at home, kids) I took my new Tacoma through the same area, but since it was all shiny new, I didn't want to ruin it by doing the same thing.

It's a shame they've closed it to vehicles, it's one of the few areas where you could engage 4WD without worrying about anything. As far as Subarus going through there, my friend did take his WRX through, and didn't run into too many issues as far as ground clearance, but he's a braver soul than I.
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BTW if you know any dirt bike riders, this is one of the last events of the year at Freetown.

I'm hoping to take my son.

PILGRIM SANDS TRAIL RIDERS
TOYS for TOTS
CHARITY TRAIL RIDE
November 17th 2013
80 Chace Road Freetown Massachusetts

Entry fee is two (2) new unwrapped toys.

Approximately 10 miles of all off road trail ride. There will be a grass track loop close to the parking area for children and beginners.

Primitive camping available Saturday night. No fires or pets please. Food available from the land owner.

There will be a voluntary parking donation. All proceeds from parking will go to Angels for Abigail.

NETRA, AMA or PSTR membership not required.

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Old 11-14-2013, 11:11 AM   #25
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I took my wrx back there a month ago. Not sure why I did this but it was a cool area. I used to have a lifted jeep, definitely a cool spot for low end four by fours. I feel bad for the jeepers who like that place. I met a few while I was exploring. Gonna go back in the spring for sure to find the cool spots people talk about.
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