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Old 01-27-2013, 10:35 AM   #76
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Overall diameter of a '11 WRX's tires (235/45/17):
25.33"

Overall diameter of a '11 STi's tires (245/40/18):
25.72"

Might be thinner, but taller nevertheless. I'm too dumb to figure out the math on weight/tiresize/wheel gap/strut height between different models and apply them to how much springs will lower/lift the car by. That's why I use hub-to-fender measurements instead.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:50 AM   #77
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And even if it is ~ 100 lbs heavier, the STI has stiffer stock springs
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:53 AM   #78
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Sorry, I'm a bit lost as to the point you're trying to make here. I'm saying you can't try to figure out how much springs will drop a different model based on wheel gap/given ride height/weight. What about you Greg?

As for your stiffer springs statement...the '11 STi have stiffer springs than the '09 STi, yet it's 5mm lower (IRRC). I've no idea what that would mean on ride height for a WRX, do you?
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:08 AM   #79
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Lets assume you are correct and the STI has a larger stock total wheel/tire diameter.

The ground clearance for a stock 2011 STI is 5.9 inches WITH a larger total wheel/tire diameter.

The ground clearance for a stock 2011 WRX is 6.1 inches with a SMALLER total wheel/tire diameter.

Weight of the cars is negligible, considering the stock STI has stiffer springs which will hold the car up better.

This can mean only one thing, the 2011 STI is lower than the WRX.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:16 AM   #80
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Lets assume you are correct and the STI has a larger stock total wheel/tire diameter.

The ground clearance for a stock 2011 STI is 5.9 inches WITH a larger total wheel/tire diameter.

The ground clearance for a stock 2011 WRX is 6.1 inches with a SMALLER total wheel/tire diameter.

Weight of the cars is negligible, considering the stock STI has stiffer springs which will hold the car up better.

This can mean only one thing, the 2011 STI is lower than the WRX.
Yes, the 2011 STi is lower than the WRX. What does that have to do with anything though? Are you saying STi springs on a WRX will result in a lowered WRX?
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:19 AM   #81
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Yes, the 2011 STi is lower than the WRX. What does that have to do with anything though? Are you saying STi springs on a WRX will result in a lowered WRX?

Well then ask yourself the question: why is the 2011 STI lower than the 2011 WRX?
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:23 AM   #82
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I don't know! We can make pseudo calculations all day long, but you can't beat results. RCE claims that the STi blacks for '11+ STis will keep the car at stock height:
Right here on the bottom:
http://www.racecompengineering.com/i...y-springs.html

So, according to your argument, it should lower a ' 11 WRX right? Possibly even more so if the WRX has Bilstein struts.

Now, that is apparently NOT the case, since my '11+ WRX with STi blacks and Bilstein has a fender to hub measurement of 14.6F/14.5R, which is higher than stock. Why is that? I don't know. It just is. Maybe there's something wrong with my car/struts/springs. I don't have anyone to compare to.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:29 AM   #83
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I don't know! You can make pseudo calculations all day long, but you can't beat results. RCE claims that the STi blacks for '11+ STis will keep the car at stock height:
Right here on the bottom:
http://www.racecompengineering.com/i...y-springs.html

So, according to your argument, it should lower a ' 11 WRX right? Possibly even more so if the WRX has Bilstein struts.

Now, that is apparently NOT the case, since my '11+ WRX with STi blacks and Bilstein has a fender to hub measurement of 14.6F/14.5R, which is higher than stock. Why is that? I don't know. It just is.
Well, no. I said before RCE changes around their posted drops heights, and I don't believe anything on the website. There are even a few spots where they just stick a question mark in like, (?)....wtf does that mean?

I believe what Myles and the techs at RCE told me. I mean you claim that height but why should I believe you? You know? You don't run race comp engineering, I have never even spoken to you.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:31 AM   #84
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I will tell you though, I saw an STI with just yellows and stock shocks at my tuning shop, and it looked very low.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:32 AM   #85
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I believe what Myles and the techs at RCE told me. I mean you claim that height but why should I believe you? You know? You don't run race comp engineering, I have never even spoken to you.
Do you really going to insinuate that someone is a liar when they prove you wrong? Come on bud, we're all adults here right?

And do you believe what RCE say or not? That website is made by the RCE guys.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:35 AM   #86
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Do you really going to insinuate that someone is a liar when they prove you wrong? Come on bud, we're all adults here right?

Who would you trust? Some guy on NASIOC or Myles from race comp?
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:38 AM   #87
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Who would you trust? Some guy on NASIOC or Myles from race comp?
Here's something funny if you think about it:
On one hand, you say you don't trust anything on RCE's website.
On the other hand, you say that you trust the RCE guys.
The RCE website is made by the RCE guys, they control the content (I assume).

So do you trust them or not trust them. Hell, did Myles even tell you that the STi Blacks will NOT result in a ~14.6-14.5 fender to hub measurement on a WRX with bilsteins?
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:54 PM   #88
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There you have it ladies and gentleman. The guy puts lowering spring meant for an already lower STI into a taller WRX and his car rises.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:58 PM   #89
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There you have it ladies and gentleman. The guy puts lowering spring meant for an already lower STI into a taller WRX and his car rises.
Psst, RCE blacks for 11+ STi's aren't lowering springs. It's okay to be wrong, just try not to dig yourself too deep
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Psst, RCE blacks for 11+ STi's aren't lowering springs. It's okay to be wrong, just try not to dig yourself too deep
Really an advertised 5mm drop isn't lowering? What is it opposite day? But at least I taught you that a stock 2011 STI is lower than a stock WRX.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:05 PM   #91
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Have I ever argued that a stock STi is higher than a stock WRX? Nope, you're still too crazy to teach me anything today.
RCE blacks for 11+ STi's leave the car at stock height.
RCE (whom you trust. Or not trust, you never cleared that one up):
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Try again
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Nor did I argue the exact affects of the STI Black springs affect on a WRX, I simply speculated.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:13 PM   #93
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Nor did I argue the exact affects of the STI Black springs affect on a WRX, I simply speculated.
So what's your point? Your speculations were wrong, I provided proof for why you're wrong, and now you're in denial? Grow up before you crash your "rally car"
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So what's your point? Your speculations were wrong, I provided proof for why you're wrong, and now you're in denial? Grow up before you crash your "rally car".
Of course, of course... Just as I provided proof that your speculations were wrong. I'd say we are pretty even.
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Of course, of course... Just as I provided proof that your speculations were wrong.
Being...what exactly? What speculations have I made that you proved wrong again?
Was it...when you thought sticking your fingers in a wheel arch is a good measurement for "how low a car is"?
When you thought STI's have smaller diameter tires than a WRX?
When you couldn't figure out whether to trust RCE or not?
When you thought STi blacks will lower a WRX?
When you thought STi blacks are lowering springs on an 11+?

You have a triplicate of a chromosome somewhere don'tcha?

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I feel bad for picking on the mentally handicapped. I'm sorry for all of my previous posts. Please consider yourself the winner of this debate.

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Old 01-27-2013, 04:52 PM   #96
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So I was checking my car right. Turns out my shocks are starting to go. My Whiteline struts, kartboy endlinks, positive power bushings, tranny mount, and pitch stop eliminated alot of the slop but I guess the shocks absorbed the rest of it.

So the Bilsteins and RCE Yellows could not have come at a better time! Its friggin' perfect!

Which makes me wonder about people running aftermarket springs with OEM shocks, get your wallet ready you will be replacing soon!! lol
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I'd like everyone to note garudatwo's immaturity. He has called me "mentally handicapped" and "triplicate chromosome"....bwhahahahahahaha I can feel his frustration teeming off my computer screen.... I am entertained
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Being...what exactly? What speculations have I made that you proved wrong again?
Was it...when you thought sticking your fingers in a wheel arch is a good measurement for "how low a car is"?
When you thought STI's have smaller diameter tires than a WRX?
When you couldn't figure out whether to trust RCE or not?
When you thought STi blacks will lower a WRX?
When you thought STi blacks are lowering springs on an 11+?

You have a triplicate of a chromosome somewhere don'tcha?

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Old 01-28-2013, 05:55 AM   #99
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So wait, you two spent nearly an entire page arguing over why the sti is a half inch lower and how springs designed for the sti actually raise ride height in a wrx?

Wouldnt looking at a diagram of the suspension then using basic physics like the sti is a porker sufficed?

The ride height in the sti is not solely reliable in its springs. The inverted struts, top hats and hubs all contribute to it. All of them are completely different from the wrx. I wont go any further but i am just surpised at all the internet vomit you guys spewed into an otherwise good thread.

Getting back on track; is there any difference in weight between these and the stock suspension?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:22 AM   #100
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I just tried to clarify some info in another thread. It seems a LOT of people make these assumptions about what fits what based on bad info and massive assumptions.

I will say that I over hear conversations that my sales guys have where someone calls and you can tell THEY want to hear a certain answer so they keep on asking a question about fitment until they feel they can come away from the conversation with a " It FITS" in THEIR head. Yet I hear my guys telling them....." its not MEANT to fit that car...".

THe next biggest issue is trying to base drops off of what the STI is "supposed" to be with regards to the WRX ride height. In these last 15 years one thing I have learned is most factory cars vary from corner to corner and car to car. Most people dont measure on level ground.

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