Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Saturday March 28, 2015
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Click here to visit TireRack
Brakes & Suspension Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack

Losing traction? Need new tires?
Click here to visit the NASIOC Upgrade Garage...
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Brakes, Steering & Suspension

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-28-2013, 04:01 PM   #101
GregOrz
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 339148
Join Date: Nov 2012
Default

Yes this confirms what I thought, put WRX Springs on a WRX and STI springs on an STI. Mixing in matching is never a good idea with different fitments.

This post makes me happy because if the 2011+ STI has 256/289lb springs, putting Yellow springs with 320/320 on a WRX is not that far of a stretch.

Thank you Myles, can't wait to install your springs... I think I speak for all of us here.

-Greg

P.S. I dropped off my springs and shocks at my tuner and they were ecstatic to see your product, and they said they were happy to see your springs again for the latest model.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

Last edited by GregOrz; 01-28-2013 at 04:31 PM.
GregOrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 09:11 PM   #102
mrkyle3
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 272675
Join Date: Feb 2011
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Hershey, PA
Vehicle:
2011 WRX
2004 Miata

Default

I have posted in another thread about my experience with this spring/strut combo but I'll go ahead and summarize for this thread.

Installation:
First of all, they definitely make this install look far easier in the videos/guides. The biggest pain in the ass I encountered was getting the rear strut back into the swing arm. I'd say I'm of average strength but man I could just not push the assembly down enough to slip the strut into it.

I ended up using a bit of ingenuity. I used a floor jack to jack up the bottom of the strut and compress it so it was above the level of the swing arm. Then I stuck a screwdriver through the bolt hole in the bottom of the strut. You let the jack down and the screwdriver holds it onto the swing arm. I then jacked it up again by putting the floor jack on the screwdriver handle. Then I slid the floor jack closer to the swing arm so that the strut was over the swing arm and let the jack down. Then you pull the screwdriver out and the strut end falls right into the swing arm . Other people have mentioned using a bottle jack to push the swing arm down, which is a good idea but I didn't have a bottle jack.

The removal/install is definitely straightforward in terms of knowing what to do. It's just hard to manipulate the things into the right place.

My thoughts:
Wow what a difference these springs make! I took it on a fairly easy ride (snow tires, salt on road b/c just snowed yesterday) and it stays perfectly flat through the corners. Also, the ride isn't as harsh as I expected it to be. Turn-in response is greatly improved and I feel like there is improved road feel through the steering wheel.

The bilsteins + RCE yellows essentially made my car handle like a racecar (already had sways/endlinks). Curves that felt fast at 40 mph I have entered making sure I was going 40 and I exit the turn saying to myself "Is that it?". It doesn't feel fast anymore; it felt like I was taking them slowly. I'm not talking like 5 more mph and it'd feel fast again I'm talking a lot more to get the same feeling. I haven't tried to push it yet because I'm on winter tires and don't have my alignment yet (this week!). I hope I am managing to express how amazing these are because they blew my mind. How flat the car stays is just astounding.

Also if you are worried about ride quality I wouldn't sweat it. I thought it would be far worse from what everybody says. The ride is certainly stiffer (obviously) but it's really not terrible. The ride quality is comparable to my mom's stock ms3 (2013) but handles better. I think the ms3 actually is a bumpier ride, which is likely because it's less well dampened. I did the install at my parents house (I live in an apartment so no garage) and let my mom drive it around some local twisties and she said "Maybe I should have gotten the subaru" .

Just to reiterate, this is PRE-ALIGNMENT. I can't even imagine how awesome it's going to be post-alignment, not to mention once I put my summer rubber back on.

Ride height:
Lot of arguing in this thread. I didn't measure mine but it is very noticeably lower. And not only noticeable to car enthusiasts--my sister noticed.

Last edited by mrkyle3; 01-28-2013 at 09:30 PM.
mrkyle3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 10:05 AM   #103
mrkyle3
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 272675
Join Date: Feb 2011
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Hershey, PA
Vehicle:
2011 WRX
2004 Miata

Default

It does appear to be a slightly higher ride height in the front. I have the rears set on the middle setting that they came with. This might bother some people but doesn't really bother me.

Quick picture, about 1/2 tank of gas:

mrkyle3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 12:45 PM   #104
jester8798
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 277915
Join Date: Mar 2011
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: MI
Vehicle:
2011 WRX Premium
SWP, TP Stage 2

Default

mrkyle3 I was just about to ask if you could post a picture....nevermind haha. Looks good!

Since I already ordered blacks I'll try them first, if I don't like it yellows are the next step. How are the roads where you live in PA?
jester8798 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 12:47 PM   #105
GregOrz
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 339148
Join Date: Nov 2012
Default

Nice myrkle, very nice.

Are those rotas? 17 or 18? Winter tires?

Ride height looks perfect, like an STI.

Why would leaving it on the middle circlip bother anybody?

Last edited by GregOrz; 01-29-2013 at 12:58 PM.
GregOrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 01:44 PM   #106
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Interesting that you think the ride is comparable to a MS3, considering that their stock spring rates are in the 180lb range, +/-10. An easier way to install the rear struts is to either compress the springs with rented autozone compressors, compress the struts, and pulling straight out, or to have a friend weighing over 200 lbs step on the hub. Best to unhook the rear sway either way. What's your hub to fender measurements for f&r? We already have the info for WRX and STi blacks with bilsteins on a WRX. I'm not a fan of the uneven wheel gaps, but it's your car at the end of the day.

EDIT:
I chuckled a bit at the racecar comment. I DD'ed a friend in his MR, and my WRX with similar suspension mods as yours couldn't even compare.

Did a few bomb runs up and down a private mountain road, might swap to king springs and better mudflaps for next winter season.

Last edited by garudatwo; 01-29-2013 at 02:07 PM.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 02:25 PM   #107
mrkyle3
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 272675
Join Date: Feb 2011
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Hershey, PA
Vehicle:
2011 WRX
2004 Miata

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jester8798 View Post
mrkyle3 I was just about to ask if you could post a picture....nevermind haha. Looks good!

Since I already ordered blacks I'll try them first, if I don't like it yellows are the next step. How are the roads where you live in PA?
Honestly the roads are pretty nice here. I think the only jarring experience I've had is when on the highway and you hit those mini-bridges with the gaps between the asphalt and concrete. Driving over slightly raised manholes isn't that bad. I don't know how much of this is due to the soft sidewalls of my winter tires, however. Ride quality will probably worsen with summer tires and their stiffer sidewalls.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregOrz View Post
Nice myrkle, very nice.

Are those rotas? 17 or 18? Winter tires?

Ride height looks perfect, like an STI.

Why would leaving it on the middle circlip bother anybody?
They are motegi racing MR118. They are cheap wheels, look pretty nice, and aren't absurdly heavy (same weight as 2011 stockers), which is why I'm using them for my winter setup. I have OZ Ultraleggeras for summer. They also clear brembos, which I'm planning to put on in the future. And it might bother people b/c it makes the ride height slightly uneven.

Quote:
Originally Posted by garudatwo View Post
Interesting that you think the ride is comparable to a MS3, considering that their stock spring rates are in the 180lb range, +/-10. An easier way to install the rear struts is to either compress the springs with rented autozone compressors, compress the struts, and pulling straight out, or to have a friend weighing over 200 lbs step on the hub. Best to unhook the rear sway either way. What's your hub to fender measurements for f&r? We already have the info for WRX and STi blacks with bilsteins on a WRX. I'm not a fan of the uneven wheel gaps, but it's your car at the end of the day.

EDIT:
I chuckled a bit at the racecar comment. I DD'ed a friend in his MR, and my WRX with similar suspension mods as yours couldn't even compare.

Did a few bomb runs up and down a private mountain road, might swap to king springs and better mudflaps for next winter season.
I didn't know the rates of the ms3 were that low. It really surprises me given how bumpy the ride is in that car . Honestly I'm only human so my comparison likely isn't that accurate. I feel like on decent roads the ride quality is similar. When you're hitting large potholes that might be another story . One thing I can say for certain is that the ride quality isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.

Also about the racecar comment that's just how it felt to me. 100% flat through corners made them feel like I was taking them like my grandma or something. After alignment... oh man

But I'm sure your friends MR had some springs with insane spring rates, etc. that made it feel very different. But for such a livable suspension the performance is amazing.

I will measure the gap now but I have to do it before I drive off to the hospital for some clinical stuff. So I'll post the pics here in a few hours.

Last edited by mrkyle3; 01-29-2013 at 02:32 PM.
mrkyle3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 02:33 PM   #108
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

I think MS3's have a trippy multi-link rear suspension as well (springs separated from struts), so that might account for some of it. My friend's MR was stock AFAIK, but those come with bilsteins/eibach springs straight from the factory.

As for measurements, yeah, measure from the center of wheel cap, straight up to the fender lip.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 02:49 PM   #109
mrkyle3
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 272675
Join Date: Feb 2011
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Hershey, PA
Vehicle:
2011 WRX
2004 Miata

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by garudatwo
I think MS3's have a trippy multi-link rear suspension as well (springs separated from struts), so that might account for some of it. My friend's MR was stock AFAIK, but those come with bilsteins/eibach springs straight from the factory.

As for measurements, yeah, measure from the center of wheel cap, straight up to the fender lip.
That could be it, I think it's also less well dampened. Regarding the MR I just don't see how it could have outshined our suspension when it was stock unless it had a far better alignment. This suspension is excellent.

I'll try to get some accurate measurements. I took some pics of the gap with a measuring tape held up to it already.
mrkyle3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 03:06 PM   #110
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

I don't know the technical stuff, but I'm pretty sure they simply have a better AWD system and electronics to go with it.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 03:47 PM   #111
gsrcrxsi
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 236952
Join Date: Jan 2010
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Baltimore
Vehicle:
2010 WRX (SSM)
Stg "2+" 300hp/360trq

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by garudatwo View Post
An easier way to install the rear struts is to either compress the springs with rented autozone compressors, compress the struts, and pulling straight out, or to have a friend weighing over 200 lbs step on the hub. Best to unhook the rear sway either way.
why is this so hard for people to understand? why bother trying to get the spring/strut combo in there with the LCA attached?

JUST DISCONNECT THE LCA. swing it out of the way. boom, easy.
gsrcrxsi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 03:50 PM   #112
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsrcrxsi View Post
why is this so hard for people to understand? why bother trying to get the spring/strut combo in there with the LCA attached?

JUST DISCONNECT THE LCA. swing it out of the way. boom, easy.
Just speaking for myself here:
I'm mechanically retarded, so if I can get away with removing one less bolt, there's a smaller chance for me to **** something up.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 03:55 PM   #113
gsrcrxsi
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 236952
Join Date: Jan 2010
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Baltimore
Vehicle:
2010 WRX (SSM)
Stg "2+" 300hp/360trq

Default

but i agree on the king springs. awesome for winter driving. ive been using king lift springs and Koni Yellows.
gsrcrxsi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 03:59 PM   #114
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsrcrxsi View Post
but i agree on the king springs. awesome for winter driving. ive been using king lift springs and Koni Yellows.
You're running TD's right? What tires are you using with them for non-winter setups?
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 04:10 PM   #115
gsrcrxsi
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 236952
Join Date: Jan 2010
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Baltimore
Vehicle:
2010 WRX (SSM)
Stg "2+" 300hp/360trq

Default

way OT, but.

winter:
King Lift Springs
Koni Yellow Dampers
15x7" TD Pro Rally 1s
215/65/15 General Altimax Arctic

Summer:
Feal 441 Coilovers
or (havent purchased either yet)
GTWorx Cup Kit
17x9" Work Emotion CR-Kai
245/40/17 Continental ExtremeContact DW
gsrcrxsi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 10:45 AM   #116
GregOrz
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 339148
Join Date: Nov 2012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceComp Engineering View Post

I will say that I over hear conversations that my sales guys have where someone calls and you can tell THEY want to hear a certain answer so they keep on asking a question about fitment until they feel they can come away from the conversation with a " It FITS" in THEIR head. Yet I hear my guys telling them....." its not MEANT to fit that car...".

Myles
I want to reiterate this point for anyone following this thread. If you're spending your hard earned money on Bilsteins for your WRX or STI and are thinking about cross matching springs to weasle out a few millimeters of height, it is not recommended. We do not know the long term effects of cramming in different sized springs with your Bilsteins. You may end up applying forces to your shock that are out of the range of their normal capacity, and could be shortening their life span and functionality. But then again, you can do what you want, its your money after all.

My recommendation, if you want adjustability, or are looking for a specific ride height, invest into a set of coil overs. You will have the confidence that your set up is reliable and functioning as it is intended. With a mismatched spring paired to your Bilstein you have a higher likelihood that your shock will go, and you will be replacing it sooner than you wanted to which will open up your wallet again. But like I said, its your money.

The approved spring matches for the Bilstein are:

WRX:

RCE Yellow or Black FOR a WRX
And, as per RCE, springs manufactured and sized FOR a WRX

STI:

RCE Yellow or Black FOR the STI
AND springs manufactured and sized for an STI

I recommend calling RCE if you plan on running different springs for your Bilsteins.

Myles was kind enough to give us a quick break down of fitments of the most recent WRX/STI models in relation to each other:

Quote:
(semi sigh)

2008 STI and 2008 WRX shock dimensions are super super close but NOT the same. STI has lower perch by like 4mm.

2011-2013 STI rear shocks have less overall travel(bump and droop) as the factory chose to increase spring rates AND Lower the STI in those years.

2009 and 2010 WRX rear shocks while barely firmer, have same dimensions as 08 and 2011-2013 REARS.

Front 08 WRX shocks sit lower than 2009-2010. 2008 WRX front shocks were the softest front shocks installed on a Impreza (IMO) the spring rates were softer than most Camrys.

Starting in 2009 the WRX shocks were firmer and used the 08+ STI rates of 224/184lb springs. NO these were NOT the same physical springs as the STI( we like many tried installing them and they are loose between the perches front AND rear). HENCE WHY YOU CANT MIX STI FITMENT RCE SPRINGS WITH WRX FITMENT.

Starting in 2011 the factory got rid of the MASSIVE 4X4 looking front ride height the 09-2010 WRX fronts had and the 2011-2013 WRX all have a LEVEL ride height. They also still had the 224/184 lb spring rate.

STI's in 2008-2010 have the 224/184 lb rates (EXCPET 2010 STI "SE" editions which had a nice 250/250 lb spring rate which was NOICE as it handled MUCH better.

STI's starting in 2011 came with 256/289 lb spring rates and is deemed to be the best handling STI since the 05 STI.

Hope that helps.

Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC / GTWORX
Long story short, if you want to mix and match, go for it, but realize you will be the guinea pig.

Last edited by GregOrz; 01-30-2013 at 11:02 AM.
GregOrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 10:58 AM   #117
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Once again, full of contradictions. You do realize that the WRX bilsteins are NOT valved for the WRX blacks right? Same goes for the STi. Guess what? They're still "approved". So are WRX blacks on stock WRX struts. So are stock springs on the Bilstein struts As for having to buy replacement shocks, Bilsteins come with limited lifetime warranty.

Thanks for the setup list gsrcrxsi, I'll just copy your winter wheel setup to go with a set of Braids.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:09 AM   #118
GregOrz
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 339148
Join Date: Nov 2012
Default

Quote:
I will say that I over hear conversations that my sales guys have where someone calls and you can tell THEY want to hear a certain answer so they keep on asking a question about fitment until they feel they can come away from the conversation with a " It FITS" in THEIR head. Yet I hear my guys telling them....." its not MEANT to fit that car...".

Myles
He was talking about you Garudatwo, but like I said, its your money...

Maybe you should go down to Maryland and show RCE how to run their business. I'm sure they could use an intelligent savvy guy like you, you seem to have all the answers.
GregOrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:13 AM   #119
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

I called RCE, and what I was told was "We don't know if that will work".

Once again, since you couldn't prove me wrong on a factual level, you resort to simple mockery. I really don't care what you think personally, but try not to spread false information on the forums.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:16 AM   #120
Buzzed Trucks
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 316128
Join Date: Apr 2012
Vehicle:
2012 WRX Hatch
White

Default

Question: I would like to lower the car a little more (I have the Yellows, rear set on highest ride setting to make even with the front). Now it's either wait till RCE gets restocked on front camber plates (lowering) and drop both front a rear about 10mm each, or try out the Black Springs. I am very, very happy with how the Yellows perform. They do make the ride stiff but it's not really too stiff for me. I wouldn't mind if the ride isn't as stiff, but I don't want to lose the performance of the stiff springs. So my question is, how much stiffer are the yellows than the black? I know what the spring rates are, but don't know how they will ride. Also, how much "worse" (probably the wrong word to use) are the black than the yellows when it comes to performance? Thanks guys!
Buzzed Trucks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:18 AM   #121
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Call TIC with that last question, I doubt anyone on this thread actually tracks their car (other than RCE).

As for stiffness, Bilsteins + WRX blacks can get a bit crash-y feeling after a bump, while Bilsteins + WRX yellow spring rates will be a bit more jolty feeling during the bump but settles nicer. That's my experience anyways.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:33 AM   #122
Buzzed Trucks
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 316128
Join Date: Apr 2012
Vehicle:
2012 WRX Hatch
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by garudatwo View Post
Call TIC with that last question, I doubt anyone on this thread actually tracks their car (other than RCE).

As for stiffness, Bilsteins + WRX blacks can get a bit crash-y feeling after a bump, while Bilsteins + WRX yellow spring rates will be a bit more jolty feeling during the bump but settles nicer. That's my experience anyways.
What exactly do you mean by "crash-y"? If there isn't too much of a performance difference between the blacks and yellows, the blacks are probably more my style. I don't AutoCross or anything, just usually have some fun on back roads. This may sound stupid, but for some reason, I'm thinking the blacks will take it back to a stock feeling suspension, but I can't seem to convince myself that that's not the case. So I guess I just need some confirmation.
Buzzed Trucks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:44 AM   #123
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzed Trucks View Post
What exactly do you mean by "crash-y"? If there isn't too much of a performance difference between the blacks and yellows, the blacks are probably more my style. I don't AutoCross or anything, just usually have some fun on back roads. This may sound stupid, but for some reason, I'm thinking the blacks will take it back to a stock feeling suspension, but I can't seem to convince myself that that's not the case. So I guess I just need some confirmation.
Someone correct me if I'm using the wrong terms or if I'm just plain wrong:

Compression: when the wheel "compresses" up into the wheel arch. This happens when you're in the process of going over a bump. If you have a softer spring rate, i.e. the blacks, this part of going over a bump will be less harsh since the wheel can move more freely. If you have a harder spring rate, i.e. the yellows, this part will be more harsh, since there's more resistance.

Rebound: when the wheel travels downwards relative to the chassis. This happens when the wheels are already over the crest of the bump. With the blacks (which are softer than the shocks themselves), it will take longer for the wheels to move downwards to make contact with the ground, which gives it a slight feeling of "crashing" after the crest. With the yellows, it'll take less time for the the wheel to make contact with the ground, giving me the feeling that it's "smoother" than the blacks at this part of the bump.

What I'm describing is at lower (15-35 MPH ish) speeds, at high way speeds I'm not experienced enough to tell a difference.

One setup is overdamped (blacks with bilsteins) while your current setup is perfectly matched.

Say you have 3 springs, 1, 2, 3, (softest to stiffest) with 2 matching the given set of shocks.

spring 1 will feel harsh (overdamped)
spring 2 will feel just as stiff, but not as harsh (matched springs/valving)
spring 3 will feel just as stiff, but bouncy after bumps. (underdamped)

If TIC tells you that the blacks are good enough for backroad hoonage, then I'd just get the blacks and have your bilsteins revalved to match those spring rate.

Last edited by garudatwo; 01-30-2013 at 11:57 AM.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:48 AM   #124
GregOrz
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 339148
Join Date: Nov 2012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by garudatwo View Post
I called RCE, and what I was told was "We don't know if that will work".

Once again, since you couldn't prove me wrong on a factual level, you resort to simple mockery. I really don't care what you think personally, but try not to spread false information on the forums.

Dude, I couldn't have one this argument more handily. But I'm glad that people can read it and understand that there is ALOT of misinformation you have to sift through when you are looking for facts in a forum.

If there is anyone spreading untested bad advice, its you.
GregOrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 11:51 AM   #125
garudatwo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322385
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregOrz View Post
Dude, I couldn't have one this argument more handily. But I'm glad that people can read it and understand that there is ALOT of misinformation you have to sift through when you are looking for facts in a forum.

If there is anyone spreading untested bad advice, its you.
Once again, you couldn't prove me wrong, and tried to make general statements about my person. Try again Greg, this time with facts.

Last edited by garudatwo; 01-30-2013 at 11:57 AM.
garudatwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2015 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.