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Old 05-30-2012, 02:26 PM   #1
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Default 1 HP per KG: Venom GT. Now a 1244HP convertible

2013 Hennessey Venom GT Specifications
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0 – 60 mph 2.5 sec.
0 – 200 mph 15.3 sec. (Bugatti Veyron = 24.2 sec.)




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Horsepower Adjustable with 3 settings: 800 bhp, 1,000 bhp & 1,244 bhp
Torque 1,155 lb-ft (when set at 1,200 bhp)
Bhp / Weight 767.23 hp per ton or 2.61 lbs / hp
Boost 16 psi (1.1 bar)
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:29 PM   #2
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And just how does that car go in a straight line when the driver puts the pedal down?
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:36 PM   #3
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2.6 lbs/hp != 1 kg/hp as per the title.
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:04 PM   #4
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I saw one of these at Cars & Coffee two Saturdays ago. It was actually pretty nice, but still a hard pill to swallow for it being a seven-figure car.

Its power-to-weight ratio is solid, but I'm not sure about it being able to hit 200 mph that quickly, since that's a significant lead compared to the Veyron. I'm no engineer, but the aerodynamics of the Venom don't scream 200 mph in 15.3 seconds to me.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:23 PM   #5
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It's a amazing car, but they need some original styling for a change.

This is clearly a Lotus, they got help from them but at least be original.

Saleen S7, couldn't they have made it not look like a Mclaren F1 longtail.

I think its too overpriced and no way should be in the price point of the Veyron, Pagani, or Konigsegg
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:29 PM   #6
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Hennessy does some wild stuff
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Old 05-30-2012, 06:25 PM   #7
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Yes, its a Lotus knock off.
Does anyone care? One run around the block and i think you'd forget what day of the week it is.
Love the Elise, still want one. Will i ever have one with this much power? probably not. Probably safer that way...
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:17 AM   #8
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And just how does that car go in a straight line when the driver puts the pedal down?
It probably just sprints sideways, to be honest.
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:50 PM   #9
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I saw one of these at Cars & Coffee two Saturdays ago. It was actually pretty nice, but still a hard pill to swallow for it being a seven-figure car.

Its power-to-weight ratio is solid, but I'm not sure about it being able to hit 200 mph that quickly, since that's a significant lead compared to the Veyron. I'm no engineer, but the aerodynamics of the Venom don't scream 200 mph in 15.3 seconds to me.
Aerodynamics doesn't mean **** when you have such high power to weight ratio. The reason this car is blisteringly fast (and can mostly use it) is due to weight. Less inertia to move, and it has some damn wide tires. The 0-60 in sub 3 is not something a novice can do however, like say the GT-R with launch control.


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Hennessy does some wild stuff
Oh, they have a reputation alright...



Nothing they do really impresses me honestly. It's not hard to make big power when the engine is 8.0L...

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It's a amazing car, but they need some original styling for a change.

This is clearly a Lotus, they got help from them but at least be original.

Saleen S7, couldn't they have made it not look like a Mclaren F1 longtail.

I think its too overpriced and no way should be in the price point of the Veyron, Pagani, or Konigsegg
I don't understnd why they didn't try to differentiate from the Lotus. I can see using it as a guide (from a frame design), but why not mak custom boddywork like everyother supercar instead of just tweaking an Elise. Reminds me of the old Elise GT1




Part of the problem now is in order to achieve the speeds and stability at the speeds we're getting to (250+), aerodynamics is dictating how cars look. Function is triumphing over form but they're all starting to meld together.
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http://sportscarforums.com/gallery/d...nesscrewed.jpg
I was about to ask whether Hennessey had actually gotten into the business of selling and delivering cars yet. I thought John was just in the business of taking people's money and shooting his mouth off on internet forums.
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Yes, its a Lotus knock off.
Does anyone care? One run around the block and i think you'd forget what day of the week it is.
Love the Elise, still want one. Will i ever have one with this much power? probably not. Probably safer that way...
It isn't difficult to build a race car. For that kind of money, I just think they should have created something more unique.
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Aerodynamics doesn't mean **** when you have such high power to weight ratio. The reason this car is blisteringly fast (and can mostly use it) is due to weight. Less inertia to move, and it has some damn wide tires. The 0-60 in sub 3 is not something a novice can do however, like say the GT-R with launch control.
That's true but only up to a certain point. Aerodynamics becomes a much larger issue as speeds increase... which is why current third-party tests of the new Mustang GT500 have had them not being able to hit Ford's 200 mph claim just yet (having done 196 mph), despite it having 662 hp. So why do you think that with similar curb weights (in the neighborhood of ~3,800 pounds), the 2013 GT-R with 545 hp (down 117 hp and with an extra 1.5 lb-per-hp to carry) is within arm's reach (having a claimed top speed of 199 mph while having already hit 195 mph back when the GT-R only had 485 hp)? It's this thing called aerodynamics. And when accelerating to 200 mph, even with 662 hp, the GT500 is probably starting to hit a wall.

I don't doubt that the Venom GT is silly quick, but even with all that firepower and low weight, aerodynamics will catch up to it at some point when accelerating to its maximum speed. There's a reason why cars intended to break land speed records are often shaped like bullets.
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Its power-to-weight ratio is solid, but I'm not sure about it being able to hit 200 mph that quickly, since that's a significant lead compared to the Veyron. I'm no engineer, but the aerodynamics of the Venom don't scream 200 mph in 15.3 seconds to me.
Turbo Gallardos are in the same performance range as the VGT, with the more extreme builds leaving it in the dust. . . and Lamborghini has never been known for great aerodynamics.

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That's true but only up to a certain point. Aerodynamics becomes a much larger issue as speeds increase... which is why current third-party tests of the new Mustang GT500 have had them not being able to hit Ford's 200 mph claim just yet (having done 196 mph), despite it having 662 hp. So why do you think that with similar curb weights (in the neighborhood of ~3,800 pounds), the 2013 GT-R with 545 hp (down 117 hp and with an extra 1.5 lb-per-hp to carry) is within arm's reach (having a claimed top speed of 199 mph while having already hit 195 mph back when the GT-R only had 485 hp)? It's this thing called aerodynamics. And when accelerating to 200 mph, even with 662 hp, the GT500 is probably starting to hit a wall.

I don't doubt that the Venom GT is silly quick, but even with all that firepower and low weight, aerodynamics will catch up to it at some point when accelerating to its maximum speed. There's a reason why cars intended to break land speed records are often shaped like bullets.
The point was that the aerodynamic penalty of a less optimized shape (until we have the .cd number or more data, I'm assuming it's has more drag than a Veryon), can be overcome by having the same (if not higher) horsepower (giving a much greater power/weight ratio) compared to the Veyron with the extra 2000lb heft increase. The guy was questioning how the car could get to 200 so much faster than a Veyron and asking if aerodynamics was such a factor. While the sprint to 200 does have aerodynamics as a factor, a car with only a few points difference in drag coefficient can easliy reduce the 0-200 time if the weight is cut in half. The reason the car is so much faster to 200 than the Veyron is due to it's weight. Same power(roughly), similiar drag coefficient, half the weight. Simple fiziks.

For whateve reason, you're comparing two cars with similar weight. Of course given all things equal (or nearly) with only aerodynamic changes the more slippery profile will best the other to top speed. The issue here is the car while seemingly less aerodynamic (again, I bet the drag is more, but not as much as people think), the far superior power to weight is more a factor than the less optimized aerodynamic shape.

I've studied up on the subject. I've designed wings and diffusers. I'm an Engineer
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:29 PM   #15
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Turbo Gallardos are in the same performance range as the VGT, with the more extreme builds leaving it in the dust. . . and Lamborghini has never been known for great aerodynamics.

2007 Lamborghini Gallardo
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- 60-130 = 3.04

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Just out of curiosity, what kind of hp and torque numbers do they have? And will it still pass smog or at least be street legal to drive throughout the whole country?

Assuming I'm thinking of the same one, I know there's one that has well over 1200 hp (if it's the yellow one that shoots out fire where the driver took his mom out for a ride on YouTube and scared her once it accelerated), but at that point, you're talking about something with a ton more hp than the Veyron, which doesn't have great aerodynamics either (which was one of the biggest criticisms of it when reviewed by Gordon Murray, who kept citing his F1's aerodynamics).
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:34 PM   #16
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up to 1900whp and all UR cars come with cats.

1200hp is pretty standard mid-level build TTG on 93 octane (1500hp on race fuel). 1200hp cars are well in front of Veyron SS

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Pointless, it is all so pointless. What do I mean. I mean that all the low slung encapsulated IMSA GTP looking uber HP cars that have no real purpose in life but to try to one up another low slung encapsulated IMSA GTP looking uber HP car. It is all so boring and without any drama at all. These super cars are not really all that super. Making HUGE HP from a twin turbo 8 liter engine is also, slightly easy.

Chasing the double century forces cars to look a certain way, and aesthetics gives way to aerodynamics. I forget who said it, but it goes along with one of my two great truths about cars these days.

Undeniable truth 1) It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow
Undeniable truth 2) Cars were far more beautiful when aerodynamics was an art rather than a science.

What I want a super car maker to build is this. Screw the number and just make beauty. Give me an E-type style body. Front engine car with a long hood and short trunk. Make it a 2+2 or a true 2 seater. Give it great driving dynamics and a top speed of 175 if you want. You can put your monster engine it if you like, but make it a joy to be in and drive. Screw 0-60 numbers and standing mile stuff. Make it fun.

So basically I want a body of an old Jag, with the engine of a Pagani, and the interior of an Aston martin. I want drama not numbers, I want beauty not aerodynamics, I want fun, not bragging rights.

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Pointless, it is all so pointless. What do I mean. I mean that all the low slung encapsulated IMSA GTP looking uber HP cars that have no real purpose in life but to try to one up another low slung encapsulated IMSA GTP looking uber HP car. It is all so boring and without any drama at all. These super cars are not really all that super. Making HUGE HP from a twin turbo 8 liter engine is also, slightly easy.

Chasing the double century forces cars to look a certain way, and aesthetics gives way to aerodynamics. I forget who said it, but it goes along with one of my two great truths about cars these days.

Undeniable truth 1) It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow
Undeniable truth 2) Cars were far more beautiful when aerodynamics was an art rather than a science.

What I want a super car maker to build is this. Screw the number and just make beauty. Give me an E-type style body. Front engine car with a long hood and short trunk. Make it a 2+2 or a true 2 seater. Give it great driving dynamics and a top speed of 175 if you want. You can put your monster engine it if you like, but make it a joy to be in and drive. Screw 0-60 numbers and standing mile stuff. Make it fun.

So basically I want a body of an old Jag, with the engine of a Pagani, and the interior of an Aston martin. I want drama not numbers, I want beauty not aerodynamics, I want fun, not bragging rights.

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Wiesmann perhaps?
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Pointless, it is all so pointless. What do I mean. I mean that all the low slung encapsulated IMSA GTP looking uber HP cars that have no real purpose in life but to try to one up another low slung encapsulated IMSA GTP looking uber HP car. It is all so boring and without any drama at all. These super cars are not really all that super. Making HUGE HP from a twin turbo 8 liter engine is also, slightly easy.

Chasing the double century forces cars to look a certain way, and aesthetics gives way to aerodynamics. I forget who said it, but it goes along with one of my two great truths about cars these days.

Undeniable truth 1) It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow
Undeniable truth 2) Cars were far more beautiful when aerodynamics was an art rather than a science.

What I want a super car maker to build is this. Screw the number and just make beauty. Give me an E-type style body. Front engine car with a long hood and short trunk. Make it a 2+2 or a true 2 seater. Give it great driving dynamics and a top speed of 175 if you want. You can put your monster engine it if you like, but make it a joy to be in and drive. Screw 0-60 numbers and standing mile stuff. Make it fun.

So basically I want a body of an old Jag, with the engine of a Pagani, and the interior of an Aston martin. I want drama not numbers, I want beauty not aerodynamics, I want fun, not bragging rights.

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I think I bumped the wrong thread. Didn't know there was a "GT2". I should pay more attention to these things.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/h...deo-2013-01-21

If you click the venomgt website it has the video, too, on the home page.
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The point was that the aerodynamic penalty of a less optimized shape (until we have the .cd number or more data, I'm assuming it's has more drag than a Veryon), can be overcome by having the same (if not higher) horsepower (giving a much greater power/weight ratio) compared to the Veyron with the extra 2000lb heft increase. The guy was questioning how the car could get to 200 so much faster than a Veyron and asking if aerodynamics was such a factor. While the sprint to 200 does have aerodynamics as a factor, a car with only a few points difference in drag coefficient can easliy reduce the 0-200 time if the weight is cut in half. The reason the car is so much faster to 200 than the Veyron is due to it's weight. Same power(roughly), similiar drag coefficient, half the weight. Simple fiziks.

For whateve reason, you're comparing two cars with similar weight. Of course given all things equal (or nearly) with only aerodynamic changes the more slippery profile will best the other to top speed. The issue here is the car while seemingly less aerodynamic (again, I bet the drag is more, but not as much as people think), the far superior power to weight is more a factor than the less optimized aerodynamic shape.

I've studied up on the subject. I've designed wings and diffusers. I'm an Engineer
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Having seen a Venom GT in person several months ago, it definitely doesn't look very aerodynamic.
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