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Old 01-21-2013, 10:38 AM   #26
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If you are that concerned about safety (and I can't blame you), you need to buy a racecar. You can get a fully caged race car for as low as $5k (for a fwd 4 banger), then buy a HANS and a fire suit. Shed the STI and Miata, and buy a truck and open trailer. Putting all that money into the Miata is insane. Especially the $5k blower.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:50 AM   #27
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The $5k for the rotrex is to do it the right way. It could be done for less, and the it will break. That price includes a $1100 intercooler setup, coolant reroute, new injectors, oil coiler, install, etc. I don't think that price is out of line for the qaulity of compinents etc. it is a lot of money though.

Re race car and trailer: I don't have anywhere to park a trailer. I don't have a vehicle to pull a trailer. I can't DD a tow vehicle because my soul would whither away and die. I have ZERO interest in a FWD race car, see prior comment about dd'ing a tow vehicle.

Necksgen will be ordered before my next event. Proper race seat will be added as well.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:32 AM   #28
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Can the wrx pull the miata with a tow bar or the like? That's appealing except for the trailer hitch on the wrx
Well, the other option is to do a whole rental Uhaul deal with a pickup and tow dolly/trailer.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:33 AM   #29
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Well, the other option is to do a whole rental Uhaul deal with a pickup and tow dolly/trailer.
If you're renting the truck and the trailer, go Penske, they have the nicest rental trailers but will only rent you one if you rent a truck too.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:59 AM   #30
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Just back the miata up on the dolly and run the seat belt thru the steering wheel and buckle it. The front wheels will be unable to turn and you dont have to disconnect the driveshaft. Also if pop the motor or whatever its easier to push the back of the car up the ramps.

If you have 5 pt harness you can just tie the steering wheel with something else to the seat floor bracket.

A used dolly and tow hitch are likely $500 ish total.

Why would you really want to track something else. Who doesnt want a dedicated RWD track car that handles excellent, is cheap on everything, and has complete series dedicated to it?

More power makes it much harder to drive. Ask me how i know.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:05 PM   #31
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Just forget about the STI idea now. That's dumb. I was tracking my Evo and decided it was time for safety equipment. It is not my daily driver, but I don't have the means to tow, either. So without a truck and trailer, a cage was out of the question, so I went with a rollbar, seats and harnesses. Is it as safe as a cage? No. But it was what fit my needs of adding safety but still maintaining streetability. If you can't tow, don't cage it. And if you're only doing HPDE's anyways (as racing would require a cage), then you're probably going to be fine with a rollbar, seats and harnesses.

YMMV, determine your own level of "acceptable risk"
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:59 PM   #32
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I've been tracking my WRX (also my DD, bought it before I knew a thing about track days) and I'm kinda in the same boat. I could pick up a used spec miata for a song, but then I'd have to get a tow vehicle. It seems like the difference between the truly hooked track junkies and the mere enthuisasts is that the hardcore people have zero problem using an ancient Chevy Astro cargo van as a DD

I've seen people use Porsche Cayennes as tow vehicles for their race cars which seems like a less soul sucking tow vehicle, I guess if you can afford it, then why not.

I figure I'll stick to lower level HPDE until I can get a properly sorted race car and tow vehicle. I see a lot of street cars running in high level HPDE/TT with open passing, I guess it really comes down to what you're comfortable with.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:13 PM   #33
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^^ Same here, my plan is to get a small pickup and tow my DD Wrx to events incase something goes down and I can't drive it back.

It should also be a good backup for when the Wrx is down for motor builds or I want to take a long road trip etc.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:41 AM   #34
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I've been tracking my WRX (also my DD, bought it before I knew a thing about track days) and I'm kinda in the same boat. I could pick up a used spec miata for a song, but then I'd have to get a tow vehicle. It seems like the difference between the truly hooked track junkies and the mere enthuisasts is that the hardcore people have zero problem using an ancient Chevy Astro cargo van as a DD
If you can get an SM for a song, its a back marker/car that was nearly written off. A mid pack car is going to go for 7-9k, and you'll be fixing body damage from spec pinata driving after every race. IMO the car to get now for real cheap club racing is the formula V. They're cheap, I've seen mid pack cars ready to race go for 5k with spares and safety equipment. You can tow it behind an impreza on a snow mobile trailer. Tires are cheap, maintenance is cheap, and 90% of the work you'll do on the car is just making sure every bolt is tight before every race weekend. And its a formula car, I don't know if you've ever driven a formula car, but they WAY more fun than cars with fenders, even a ****ty formula car like an FV. And most people dont bump and grind with them like SMs because touching wheels is bad yo. All the same things go for an F500, but do you really want a 2 stroke with a CVT? And for a little step up in price, there's always the spec racer ford, which has the same benefits over a normal car than the FV but the srf is going to cost SM money to buy.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:03 AM   #35
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Where are good places to find open wheel cars like that? I am starting my search and you have me intrigued!
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:05 AM   #36
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:06 AM   #37
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SCCA forums, the car specific forums, the back of your local scca magazine that normally comes free with membership, craigslist. I actually saw an F500 with an out of date log book (though if its an old car this could be a major crap shoot due to rules changes), that was already strapped on a pallet to be shipped on craigslist over the summer for like 2.5k.

Or yeah I always forget to mention formula ford. I dont know how much work it would take to get that car GCR legal again so that you could get an up to date log book and club race with it though. BUT a vandiem from that vintage (older maybe?) Did win solo nats in C-mod.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:07 AM   #38
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If safety is your main concern and getting T Boned is forefront, then you are hosed. Think about it. If you're driving to an event in an STi, for example....and a box truck takes a corner too fast and T Bones you, it don't matter if you're in an STi or a Miata or even a pickup. You are done. If you're worried about what will happen if a sub compact car T bones you, then you might have to rethink your daily driver and pick up a used Suburban or something.

We all take risks. You know that. On the track, I warn students all the time that they may be well in their limits and driving really well and aware and the bone head behind them may have green pads and push them into a wall because their brakes go as they're drafting you into a corner.

The Miata is THE ideal racecar. Stay with it. That's my 2 cents worth. If you don't want to drive it on the street, buy an open center steel trailer or open aluminum and an old pickup to pull it. Although, having pulled many racecars this way with everything from a 14' open aluminum with a Wrangler to an 18' enclosed with a Yukon XL, towing ain't all that fun and you have to deal with morons who cut you off or realize that they are at their exit and need to get between you and your trailer to make the turn.

Subarus are far more expensive and far less reliable than the light cars out there (miatas, civics, sentras).
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:08 AM   #39
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i would say go with the maita but you need to decide what you want to do if track day only then you may want the super charger(also remenber wilh more power you will have more maintance and broken parts) but if you want to race then you need a "class legal car" for some class hopefully a class you can be competive in good luck jim
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