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Old 01-22-2013, 08:03 PM   #1
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Angry Horrible experience with muteki lug nut keys!

Hey nasioc, is it just me or have you had problems with muteki lug nuts too? Back in april 2012 i bought a set of wheels and tires for my 06 sti and 00 rs. I wanted a black set of lugs for both so I picked up some black muteki lug nuts. Both were put on by hand(no air gun). I recently tried to take off my wheels to put on the winter set and on the first lug the key snapped instantly!

I called the local shop i got them from and they said they have seen it happen plenty of times and they sell just the keys for that reason. So i said whatever, let me try to take off a different lug nut on a different wheel with my only other key tonight and what do you know. It snapped instantly as well! Here are the pics of both keys. I dont want to jump to conclusions about muteki's being garbage but from my personal experience it's hard to believe otherwise.

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Old 01-22-2013, 08:06 PM   #2
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ive had 2 sets of muteki hex drive closed end lugs. never had an issue at all. mine arent spline drive though. i think they are the 48 style
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:16 PM   #3
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I've had no problems with my black closed-end muteki lug nuts. They are spline drive and have come off without issue for 6 tire rotations and 2 summer/winter change-overs. I do hand torque them to spec at 72 ft lbs.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:32 PM   #4
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I always use a torque wrench and a touch of anti-seize on every lug nut...... BUT regardless of whether you do that or not those keys shouldn't snap like that, cheap/defective material for sure. Even if you overtorqued the lugs nuts when installing the keys shouldn't break like that....

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Old 01-22-2013, 08:34 PM   #5
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Sounds like the key and not the lug.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:35 PM   #6
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:49 PM   #7
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:59 PM   #8
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Wow! What is that fancy piece?
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:04 PM   #9
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Wow! What is that fancy piece?
I remember they used to sell those on infomercials. It's like a "master key" for a whole bunch of fasteners. Those little rods in there are spring loaded so they essentially take the shape of whatever nut or bolt you are trying to drive.

I never thought about using those for spline drives.

Thanks to the guy bellow me, that name totally rung a bell.
http://m.sears.com/productdetails.do...1192011x000001

Kind of makes you second guess how secure your wheels really are.

As for OP, I have been running Gorrilla lug nuts off amazon for 8 months now. Swapped wheels and rotated plenty of times, no damage. As mentioned make sure you are hand torquing to OEM specs.
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Wow! What is that fancy piece?
i think its called a gator grip?
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That Gator Grip tool makes most of our security lug nuts totally worthless. I had Gorilla lug nuts on a set of wheels I used to have and some jerk got them off pretty easily with one of those. Needless to say those wheels are probably on someone else's car now.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:40 AM   #12
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If the nuts are recessed then the Gator cannot be used.
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Ive had Muteki Spline Drive lugs and have never broke a key.
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PS-Gorilla uses the same key and theirs are black hardened steel.
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I always use a torque wrench and a touch of anti-seize on every lug nut...... BUT regardless of whether you do that or not those keys shouldn't snap like that, cheap/defective material for sure. Even if you overtorqued the lugs nuts when installing the keys shouldn't break like that....
I have to admit i've never used a torque wrench for the wheels but maybe I will start. Although I have changed dozen of sets of wheels and never had a problem especially like this. All this says to me is the key is very cheaply made.

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Sounds like the key and not the lug.
Your right. Maybe I should change the title to,"Horrible experience with muteki spline drive keys!"

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PS-Gorilla uses the same key and theirs are black hardened steel.
Thanks for that info. Maybe i'll get one of there keys and see if I have success!
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Also thanks to the rest of you for your comments. I'm taking the car to IAG and having them swap the wheels for me just to make sure there isn't any other issue im missing. Deciding though if I should get a different brand of lug nuts, but I dont really want to spend over $100 for some lug nuts.
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FWIW, and from what I have seen the "real JDM" Muteki lug nut kits come with a hardened impact (black) socket.
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I've been using Muteki lug nuts on my car since 2009. Sometimes I use a pretty low powered gun (Pep Boys special "Goodyear" cordless "impact"), sometimes I put them on by hand/ratchet, and sometimes I use a professional grade Matco impact. I am still using the original key and the original lugs. Now, granted, I change my wheels fairly frequently (because racecar and all that), and it sounds like you don't. So, I wonder if the lug nut was seized enough that the key failed while trying to loosen it? That would be my guess. Maybe a touch of antiseize would help?
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Huh, never had that type of issue and plenty of people run them because of the cost.

As long it's trq'd properly, it shouldn't so that...that's really odd. Try getting a heavy duty spline lock key, Discount tire uses them but I don't think they'll sell you one, we got ours from the Matco/Snap On guy.

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I did the same thing to my muteki lug key and ended up getting one from discount tires. Hasn't failed me since.
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