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Old 01-26-2013, 03:16 PM   #26
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:17 PM   #27
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They both suck! IMHO
I agree...kinda regret not getting the XV or Forester....

This car is so weak...oh well..guess I'll wait another 10 years until my next new car.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:34 PM   #28
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Seriously bro, 2013 is the way to go. Carmella red is simply not red enough or rich enough for my blood. vwgti123 you know you want a seriously ruby red ride, chicks dig a guy with a flashy car, hell the color alone gives me abou 250 extra HP.

2013 Impreza changes include
> all 2013 Imprezas are PZEV- partial zero emission vehicle
> 2.0i base models get handsfree bluetooth with steering wheel controls, and stereo with USB, aux jack and wireless audio streaming
> 2.0i Premium 4/5 door with the manual transmission now includes the All Weather Package. It is still optional with CVT models
> Navigation GPS system now includes new rear view back-up camera.
> slightly different Option Packages

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the 3 two tone combinations on the Sport models have all been discontinued
Sky Blue Metallic with Ice Silver Metallic lower accent
Sage Green Metallic with Ice Silver Metallic lower accent
Obsidian Black Pearl/Dark Gray Metallic lower accent

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Crystal black (ivory interior)
Venetian Red (black interior).
Deep cherry pearl (ivory interior) is now available on Sport models.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/impreza2013.html
Leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob on the Impreza Sport is new in 2013.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:43 PM   #29
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I agree...kinda regret not getting the XV or Forester....

This car is so weak...oh well..guess I'll wait another 10 years until my next new car.
How is the XV not weak? It has the same engine and more weight.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:54 PM   #30
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Leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob on the Impreza Sport is new in 2013.
Not really new more as in standard. It was an option in 2012. Now it just means that subaru can charge more for the new impreza. I rather not have leather and pay less or have other accessories
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:57 PM   #31
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Not really new more as in standard. It was an option in 2012. Now it just means that subaru can charge more for the new impreza. I rather not have leather and pay less or have other accessories
If I remember right, my model was $80 more than the comparable 2012, cheaper than dinner and a movie.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:00 PM   #32
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How is the XV not weak? It has the same engine and more weight.
This is true. But the xv has a shorter final drive than the impreza manual. The cvt impreza has a very long final drive. A shorter final drive just multiply the torque put down to the ground. It doesnt have more power but it certainly will feel faster. It is the same concept people do on race cars. I have a 4.44 gear ratio in my race car. It is pretty damn short. But it allows me to accelerate out of the hole faster. The only down side is that it will lower top speed. For example. My car at highway speeds in 6th gear at 75 mph is roughly 4500rpms. Even with a cvt there is a limit you can program the pulley ratio to be.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:02 PM   #33
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If I remember right, my model was $80 more than the comparable 2012, cheaper than dinner and a movie.
Really? I remember looking up the difference in standard 2012 and 2023 sport premium to be a lot lot more. For one mine doesnt have prez.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:38 PM   #34
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Really? I remember looking up the difference in standard 2012 and 2023 sport premium to be a lot lot more. For one mine doesnt have prez.
I don't know about other Impreza models, but I remember my salesperson pointing out the $80 difference between 2012 and 2013 sport manual transmission models and telling me it was a good deal for the leather wheel and shift knob. He showed me in the internal sales literature.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:41 PM   #35
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This is true. But the xv has a shorter final drive than the impreza manual. The cvt impreza has a very long final drive. A shorter final drive just multiply the torque put down to the ground. It doesnt have more power but it certainly will feel faster. It is the same concept people do on race cars. I have a 4.44 gear ratio in my race car. It is pretty damn short. But it allows me to accelerate out of the hole faster. The only down side is that it will lower top speed. For example. My car at highway speeds in 6th gear at 75 mph is roughly 4500rpms. Even with a cvt there is a limit you can program the pulley ratio to be.
I see what you mean. This car needs more gears. It would easily best its competition if it had it.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:06 PM   #36
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I don't know about other Impreza models, but I remember my salesperson pointing out the $80 difference between 2012 and 2013 sport manual transmission models and telling me it was a good deal for the leather wheel and shift knob. He showed me in the internal sales literature.
Im not doubting you. If you were comparing prez models then the difference would be small. But for my non prez vs the 2013 prez the difference is greater. I wasnt forced to buy prez which is a couple hundred more than non prez. So by going with the 2012 non prez I saved a lot.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:10 PM   #37
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I see what you mean. This car needs more gears. It would easily best its competition if it had it.
The manual impreza came with a shorter gear than the cvt. Again with a shorter gear woukd mean higher rpm highway cruising speed. Which possibly have a negative effect on mpg. Not sure how hard it would be replacing the final drive in this car would be. On my s2000 it was just a swap of the rear differential.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:50 AM   #38
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Im not doubting you. If you were comparing prez models then the difference would be small. But for my non prez vs the 2013 prez the difference is greater. I wasnt forced to buy prez which is a couple hundred more than non prez. So by going with the 2012 non prez I saved a lot.
Isn't prez tax-deductible when tax season comes?
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This is true. But the xv has a shorter final drive than the impreza manual. The cvt impreza has a very long final drive. A shorter final drive just multiply the torque put down to the ground. It doesnt have more power but it certainly will feel faster. It is the same concept people do on race cars. I have a 4.44 gear ratio in my race car. It is pretty damn short. But it allows me to accelerate out of the hole faster. The only down side is that it will lower top speed. For example. My car at highway speeds in 6th gear at 75 mph is roughly 4500rpms. Even with a cvt there is a limit you can program the pulley ratio to be.
You seem like you know about cars, can you tell me the mph vs rpms? Of course I know what the mph is for...but the rpms what is that?

Does it matter when do I have to wait for the needle to go to a certain number on the RPM guage to step on the gas? I know RPM is important in a manual because my friend told me that he have to switch gear when the RPM needle hit 2 or something I don't remember.

But I drive an automatic, do I have to worry about the RPM gear?

I kinda had to much fun when I first bought the car...I think I floored it when it was 300 miles, will that hurt my car/engine? Now I just drive slowly and accelerate slowly.
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You seem like you know about cars, can you tell me the mph vs rpms? Of course I know what the mph is for...but the rpms what is that?

Does it matter when do I have to wait for the needle to go to a certain number on the RPM guage to step on the gas? I know RPM is important in a manual because my friend told me that he have to switch gear when the RPM needle hit 2 or something I don't remember.

But I drive an automatic, do I have to worry about the RPM gear?

I kinda had to much fun when I first bought the car...I think I floored it when it was 300 miles, will that hurt my car/engine? Now I just drive slowly and accelerate slowly.
It won't hurt your engine if you didn't do it excessively or for long periods of time. Some people think that briefly revving the engine high during the break in period is actually good for it. I can't say one way or the other. Rpm is complicated, because engines output different torque curves at different RPM's. Most people who drive manuals do it by feel, so I'm going to let someone who both understands them better and knows how to explain them better explain that whole part.
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You seem like you know about cars, can you tell me the mph vs rpms? Of course I know what the mph is for...but the rpms what is that?

Does it matter when do I have to wait for the needle to go to a certain number on the RPM guage to step on the gas? I know RPM is important in a manual because my friend told me that he have to switch gear when the RPM needle hit 2 or something I don't remember.

But I drive an automatic, do I have to worry about the RPM gear?

I kinda had to much fun when I first bought the car...I think I floored it when it was 300 miles, will that hurt my car/engine? Now I just drive slowly and accelerate slowly.
rpm? is the engines rotations per minute. to you, it is just a number that your car is limited to when you floor it and the higher the number the more horse power there it. to me it is a combination of things like piston speeds, torque and etc. not sure what you are trying to ask about rpm.

it should not matter what rpm you shift at if you are in cvt mode. but in manual mode, you obviously are not in manual mode to save gas nor be conservative. in manual mode, you shift at what ever you feel like. dumb thing to say, but lets face it, if you wanted to be gentle and protect the environment you would just stay in cvt or drive mode. manual transmission 5 or 6 speed is a different game. in those cars you shift at whatever feels right to you and it depends on the conditions. not all cars are the same. in my race car, when just driving around it sucks balls to try to shift anywhere under 3K rpm, you have to shift at about 3.5-4K. and that is the normal commute. in any car you shift at depends on the power band. you want to shift at where your car will still have power to move/accelerate in the next gear. for example in a manual, you can get the car rolling at idle speed in first gear, but if you shift to second, the car will not be happy and stall because you are forcing the engine to be at a much lower rpm. sorry, driving a manual is very complicated to teach by words. i have tried teaching my friends to a manual back in the day by telling them how but it is different when actually inside the car and feeling the power band.

breaking in an engine is complicated as well. many people have their theory on how to do. there are two types of break-ins. one, on fully rebuilt race engines and two, on mass production cars. first is way to complicated. second is alot less sensitive. i bought my car with 40 miles on it already, i am quite certain that the people before me didn't want to buy it and really just wanted to see what the car was all about. did they drive gentle and took it easy? probably not. i bet they rape the hell out of it. if i were going to test drive a car and had no intentions of buying it.....yea, you get the idea. i now have 19,900 miles on my car. did the engine go kaboom yet? no. does my engine stall? no. does my engine shake as if it were going to die? no. does it burn oil? no, not yet. did it take it easy after i got the car? not really, i have red line or tried to a few times. i downshift alot to slow down, which i dont know why because we have brakes. also, about the other comment about staying in the high rpm for too long. yes, this is not a mercedes nor a race car. both of which are designed to stay at the high rpms for extended periods of time. i some how highly, highly doubt this car was designed with the same intention. the point is, this is not a race car be a little more gentle til a bout 750 ish mile 1000 even, dont rape it. but if you are past that then dont be afraid to have fun with the car. JUST, DO NOT BE THIS GUY!!!!!!

edit: i should add this last bit in there. google it if you want, but all aluminum blocks have a limited about of rotations they can do before the engine gives out. im not talking about redline or rpm. the actual amount of times the engine can rotate or makes a rotation is limited. although, no one knows what that number is or an average of what number is. if you take it gentle you could be the volvo or the accord that reached 2million and 1 million miles. but keep the high revs up and you end up like that guy on youtube.

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is it!? i honestly don't know. my girl friend's little sister just picked up a prez model, i guess we will see.
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rpm? is the engines rotations per minute. to you, it is just a number that your car is limited to when you floor it and the higher the number the more horse power there it. to me it is a combination of things like piston speeds, torque and etc. not sure what you are trying to ask about rpm.

it should not matter what rpm you shift at if you are in cvt mode. but in manual mode, you obviously are not in manual mode to save gas nor be conservative. in manual mode, you shift at what ever you feel like. dumb thing to say, but lets face it, if you wanted to be gentle and protect the environment you would just stay in cvt or drive mode. manual transmission 5 or 6 speed is a different game. in those cars you shift at whatever feels right to you and it depends on the conditions. not all cars are the same. in my race car, when just driving around it sucks balls to try to shift anywhere under 3K rpm, you have to shift at about 3.5-4K. and that is the normal commute. in any car you shift at depends on the power band. you want to shift at where your car will still have power to move/accelerate in the next gear. for example in a manual, you can get the car rolling at idle speed in first gear, but if you shift to second, the car will not be happy and stall because you are forcing the engine to be at a much lower rpm. sorry, driving a manual is very complicated to teach by words. i have tried teaching my friends to a manual back in the day by telling them how but it is different when actually inside the car and feeling the power band.

breaking in an engine is complicated as well. many people have their theory on how to do. there are two types of break-ins. one, on fully rebuilt race engines and two, on mass production cars. first is way to complicated. second is alot less sensitive. i bought my car with 40 miles on it already, i am quite certain that the people before me didn't want to buy it and really just wanted to see what the car was all about. did they drive gentle and took it easy? probably not. i bet they rape the hell out of it. if i were going to test drive a car and had no intentions of buying it.....yea, you get the idea. i now have 19,900 miles on my car. did the engine go kaboom yet? no. does my engine stall? no. does my engine shake as if it were going to die? no. does it burn oil? no, not yet. did it take it easy after i got the car? not really, i have red line or tried to a few times. i downshift alot to slow down, which i dont know why because we have brakes. also, about the other comment about staying in the high rpm for too long. yes, this is not a mercedes nor a race car. both of which are designed to stay at the high rpms for extended periods of time. i some how highly, highly doubt this car was designed with the same intention. the point is, this is not a race car be a little more gentle til a bout 750 ish mile 1000 even, dont rape it. but if you are past that then dont be afraid to have fun with the car. JUST, DO NOT BE THIS GUY!!!!!!Dodge Neon Burnout gone wrong with Clutch Blowing Up - YouTube

edit: i should add this last bit in there. google it if you want, but all aluminum blocks have a limited about of rotations they can do before the engine gives out. im not talking about redline or rpm. the actual amount of times the engine can rotate or makes a rotation is limited. although, no one knows what that number is or an average of what number is. if you take it gentle you could be the volvo or the accord that reached 2million and 1 million miles. but keep the high revs up and you end up like that guy on youtube.
Not to mention driving a manual efficiently is a completely different game all over again and depends on conditions. I thought that break in was recommended by Subaru at 400 miles? I guess I should stop revving it past 4k till I get past 1000, I'm still at 650...
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is it!? i honestly don't know. my girl friend's little sister just picked up a prez model, i guess we will see.
isnt it pzev?
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Not to mention driving a manual efficiently is a completely different game all over again and depends on conditions. I thought that break in was recommended by Subaru at 400 miles? I guess I should stop revving it past 4k till I get past 1000, I'm still at 650...
I honestly never follow those and yet to have any issues. *fingers crossed. I am pretty sure no one took it easy in my car. I think you are fine.
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isnt it pzev?
It may very well be. Lol its not stamped on the back of my car. So I dont know what is really is. It woukd make since to spell is pzev. Partial zero emission vehicle. Instead of partial emission vehicle zero. Lol
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Isn't prez tax-deductible when tax season comes?
It won't be at the federal level. Your state might have a PZEV tax credit available, but the chances are slim. My sister asked her tax guru about it last year, and, at least in Wisconsin, the answer was no.
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Not really new more as in standard. It was an option in 2012. Now it just means that subaru can charge more for the new impreza. I rather not have leather and pay less or have other accessories
If I'm not mistaken, the leather shift knob was an option for the Sport Imprezas in 2012. But I don't think the leather steering wheel was even available as an option. To get the leather wheel in 2012, you had to go with a Limited. I might have bought a Limited, but the Limited couldn't/can't be purchased with the 5-speed tranny, which is a prerequisite for me.

In 2013, Sport models get the leather shift knob and wheel standard, which is nice (and is how it should have been in 2012). I bought a Subaru leather knob (on eBay, not from the dealer), and got a Wheelskins leather wheel wrap, because I hated the plastic so much on my 2012 Sport Premium. I found the groove that's molded into the plastic steering wheel to be very uncomfortable on long trips.

Some people on this forum have actually paid something like $400 to install the OEM leather wheel, but that was too rich for my blood. I put that money toward my Pioneer head unit and XM receiver.
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to no offense, i have never had an issue with this. I have taken many many long trips 5 hours+, i am from memphis, tn and i have driven to panama, fl; destin, fl; dallas, tx; san antonio, tx (separate trip), and atlanta, ga. i am not sure how or why you are driving white knuckle style but i have never had any issues.
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