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Old 01-24-2013, 05:27 PM   #1
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The fullsize pickup market is dominated by trucks from Ford, General Motors and Ram, but this segment could get some hefty competition in coming years. We've already reported that Nissan is planning a redesign of its Titan truck for 2015, and now Toyota has announced that it will be revealing the 2014 Tundra next month at the Chicago Auto Show.

In the brief press release posted below, Toyota says that the 2014 Tundra will be "redesigned," but it's unclear as to whether this means we'll be seeing an all-new truck or just an extensive refresh. The current Tundra design has been around since 2007 and sales are hardly worrisome to the Big Three, so a new design would be a logical guess.

In any case, we only have to wait a couple more weeks for the new Tundra to debut on February 7, and we'll be on hand to bring you plenty of live coverage from the show
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TORRANCE, Calif., Jan. 24, 2013 - Toyota will stage the world debut of the new 2014 Tundra full-size pickup truck at a press conference at the 2013 Chicago Auto Show.

The press conference will be held on Thursday, Feb. 7, at 9:00 a.m. (CST) in the Grand Ballroom at McCormick Place.

The reveal of the redesigned Tundra will be broadcast live via Livestream at: http://new.livestream.com/toyota.
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I've heard it isn't a huge change like the 1st to 2nd gen was.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:30 PM   #3
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I've heard it isn't a huge change like the 1st to 2nd gen was.
Really. Minor face lift then?
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:43 PM   #4
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Really. Minor face lift then?
The 2nd gen got new frame, cab, bed, transmissions, engines. Base model engines and trans were the only carryover. I don't expect this will be as big of a change as the 2nd gen was.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:47 PM   #5
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The current Tundra design has been around since 2007 and sales are hardly worrisome to the Big Three
I would guess that if HD sales were excluded, Toyota sells more light duty pickups than Ram--even more likely if fleet sales are excluded.
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The 2nd gen got new frame, cab, bed, transmissions, engines. Base model engines and trans were the only carryover. I don't expect this will be as big of a change as the 2nd gen was.
They have a good platform to build on no need to change a whole lot. You still looking for a hw M3??
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:32 PM   #7
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They have a good platform to build on no need to change a whole lot. You still looking for a hw M3??
Yes! I will pay in real dollar bucks since my tradability sucks.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:42 PM   #8
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Who is to say what exactly will change with the next Tundra, but with the recently unveiled Ford Atlas Concept perhaps indicating the direction of the next F-150, Toyota(and everyone else in the truck game for that matter) had better get their S#$t together for the next gen Tundra or they'll lose even more sales.
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I would guess that if HD sales were excluded, Toyota sells more light duty pickups than Ram--even more likely if fleet sales are excluded.

Somehow I doubt that, when Ram sold almost three times as many trucks as Toyota did Tundras in 2012.
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The problem with the Tundra is that its main reason for existence has been obliterated since the domestic trucks have made extreme leaps in reliability, quality, refinement and technology.

I have a 2002 Sequoia, but my first choice for a pickup in 2013 would not be a Tundra.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:58 PM   #11
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I think the truck market is largely driven by loyalty sales. As long as the Tundra gets a slight improvement in mileage and a good overhaul of the interior, it will maintain market share. The 5.7L is still a stud of an engine. Some work on the drag coefficient and some taller gearing will likely be used to help the mileage ratings.
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Is it still going to have the pathetic noodle frame?
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Resonance frequency, how does it work?
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:07 PM   #14
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Is it still going to have the pathetic noodle frame?
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Resonance frequency, how does it work?
It seems like there is a riveting story behind this exchange, but I'm too lazy to google.
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Somehow I doubt that, when Ram sold almost three times as many trucks as Toyota did Tundras in 2012.
I don't.

Ram sold ~293K pickups in 2012.

Toyota sold ~243K pickups in 2012.

Like I said, if you were to exclude HD sales, Toyota likely sold more light duty pickups than Ram... .
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Ram sold ~293K pickups in 2012.

Toyota sold ~243K pickups in 2012.

Like I said, if you were to exclude HD sales, Toyota likely sold more light duty pickups than Ram... .
I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but I Googled two separate sources that state Toyota only sold 100k Tundras in 2012. I fail to see how the the Tacoma is relevant here, if that's what you're aiming at. And if you are including the Tacoma in your numbers, that seems like a rather flawed, biased comparison to make as even the lightest duty Ram isn't comparable to a Taco - it's a completely different class of vehicle. If you're going to include the Taco, you might as well include the HD Rams as they're both equally irrelevant in the scope of this conversation.

In short, compare apples to apples, don't compare apples to apples + oranges.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:32 PM   #17
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but my first choice for a pickup in 2013 would not be a Tundra.
why not?

Dodge is still ****ting the bed with their quality control.
look at the issues, and sheer number of problems with the 2012 Ram 1500. Almost 4000 serious complaints including improper installation of the rear axle, and transmission failures.
http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_1500/2012/


Compared to Toyota with 106 issues. Most of them related to the American made window switches and controls.
http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tundra/2012/


Keep drinking the domestic cool aid, and I'll keep posting facts that prove the big 3 are the same as they've always been.
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I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but I Googled two separate sources that state Toyota only sold 100k Tundras in 2012. I fail to see how the the Tacoma is relevant here, if that's what you're aiming at. And if you are including the Tacoma in your numbers, that seems like a rather flawed, biased comparison to make as even the lightest duty Ram isn't comparable to a Taco - it's a completely different class of vehicle. If you're going to include the Taco, you might as well include the HD Rams as they're both equally irrelevant in the scope of this conversation.

In short, compare apples to apples, don't compare apples to apples + oranges.
I guess we will just agree to disagree. Toyota has NEVER been in the HD market and many of those pickups are bought by companies, not just consumers.

Ram WAS in the mid-size market (which is aimed at consumers) but left since they were not competitive.

Both mid-size and 1/2 tons are aimed at the same market, so I think Tacoma sales are relevant.

If I was the CEO at Ram, I would not dismiss Toyota's consumer sales. I guess if you were the MFIC, you would... .
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^^^^^The Dakota was aimed at the mid size market, I think it was the first midsize with a v8, but I could be wrong. It has been quite ugly since the last re-pen in 2004 or 2005. We own a 2002 Dakota with a v8 and it has been an excellent truck. Engine is strong, tranny strong and can seat 6. If the 1500 series is considered midsize.....wow, that is a big midsize.
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^^^^^The Dakota was aimed at the mid size market, I think it was the first midsize with a v8, but I could be wrong. It has been quite ugly since the last re-pen in 2004 or 2005. We own a 2002 Dakota with a v8 and it has been an excellent truck. Engine is strong, tranny strong and can seat 6. If the 1500 series is considered midsize.....wow, that is a big midsize.
Ram is the brand. Dodge doesn't exist as a truck brand anymore. Ram Dakota was cancelled this year. Ram 1500 is the full name of the full size.
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why not?

Dodge is still ****ting the bed with their quality control.
look at the issues, and sheer number of problems with the 2012 Ram 1500. Almost 4000 serious complaints including improper installation of the rear axle, and transmission failures.
http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/Ram_1500/2012/


Compared to Toyota with 106 issues. Most of them related to the American made window switches and controls.
http://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tundra/2012/


Keep drinking the domestic cool aid, and I'll keep posting facts that prove the big 3 are the same as they've always been.
Carcomplaints.com is exactly what it is. Car complaints which anyone can post. You'd at least have a leg to stand on if you posted something from True Delta or whatnot resembling something with a scientific matrix. And Dodge does not equal every domestic manufacturer. I can post all the problems with the Nissan Titan/Armada and say that's representative of all Japanese brand trucks if I wanted to keep up the fallacious derp. And don't blame the supplier, every car company has their switches manufactured to their specifications.

My Sequoia was bought with 12 miles on it and it's had one transmission failure at 58,000 miles that Toyota replaced (my Camry V6 had two) and many second-generation Tundras had numerous problems upon introduction with the axles and the 5.7. So don't give me that BS about how Toyota is perfect.

You sound like some butthurt truck fanboi like those I see at Pickuptrucks.com whining about how every truck except for yours sucks. If you're happy with your Toyota or your Tundra, good for you. But unless you want to make my truck payment, go do something productive and don't worry about how I would spend my hard-earned money if I buy a truck.

But I'm a fair man. If Toyota can make a Tundra with class-leading fuel economy, prove to me they've fixed their craptacular transmissions and none of the teething problems that plagued the 2nd gen, then they're welcome to have a shot at my business again.
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Tundra has been top of JD Power truck dependability study something like 7 years running (compares 3 year old model years).

http://autos.jdpower.com/content/stu...lts.htm?page=2
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Ram is the brand. Dodge doesn't exist as a truck brand anymore. Ram Dakota was cancelled this year. Ram 1500 is the full name of the full size.
I completely missed this.. a few days ago I saw Ram listed separately on a list of car makes and did a double-take. I still don't care, though. I really just hope Chrysler and all of its subsidiaries curls up and dies soon. The Viper project is the only thing worth saving.
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When Toyota first announced that it would be bringing the 2014 Tundra pickup to next month's Chicago Auto Show, we weren't quite sure if the truck would fall into the "all-new" or "refreshed" category. After seeing this latest set of spy shots, we're striking "all-new" from the record, but the enhancements do appear to be more than just a simple nip/tuck.

While the overall shape and greenhouse haven't really changed, heavy cladding found on the front fascia suggests that a totally redesigned nose is in store, with a fully reworked grille flanked by new headlamps. Smaller styling details are hidden by the big panels of camouflage, but we anticipate a few minor tweaks to the rest of the pickup's design when all that black tape finally comes off.

Mum's the word on powertrain enhancements (if any), as well as any changes that have been made to the chassis. But with the updated 2013 Ram 1500 already on the street, the recent unveiling of the updated 2014 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra twins, and a preview of what's to come from the likes of Ford, we certainly hope Toyota has injected enough new blood into its 2014 model year pickup to keep it competitive in this American-dominated segment. We'll know for sure come Chicago.
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I hope Toyota gets it right. Gives us all more options. As someone posted earlier, they can list the issues with the Titan quite easily. I had a coworker that has one and it has continuous drivetrain issues. I don't really compare domestics to imports as a rule. It seems that guys who buy a 15 whatever series of domestic probably do not put the maintenance into it like an import owner. I don't think I've ever seen a Tundra work truck beat as badly as say an F150. Just pointing out what I see in the Home Depot parking lot.
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