V5 sti type r

polaks · 01-24-2013, 10:41 PM

I am thinking about selling my sti and getting a newer type r and I was doing some reading and was just wondering what are some of the differences between 1996 subaru sti v3 vs 1998 subaru sti type r v5?

So far I found that the type r has dccd, intercooler sprayer, lighter, stiffer, hardend gearbox and close gear ratios, and other small things like appearance larger wing and white spedometer.

Is there anything else which makes the type r better than my sti?

Also how much lighter is it? around 2600lbs?

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blessthekellen · 01-25-2013, 12:30 AM

2 doors vs 4 doors.
dccd.
updated interior.
shorter gear ratios.
V5 vs smaller coupe spoiler.

Poppie · 01-25-2013, 11:06 AM

Interior/Exterior facelift.
4pot/2pot brakes.
More power.
Thicker ARBs iirc.
Gearbox is suited for acceleration not cruising imo and wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'hardened gearbox'.
Kerb weight 1260kg/approx 2800lbs.
No ABS.

polaks · 01-25-2013, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poppie

Interior/Exterior facelift.
4pot/2pot brakes.
More power.
Thicker ARBs iirc.
Gearbox is suited for acceleration not cruising imo and wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'hardened gearbox'.
Kerb weight 1260kg/approx 2800lbs.
No ABS.

2800lbs isn't that the sedan and the coupe was suppose to be a little bit lighter right?

Better brakes I like idk about no abs I guess no big deal just gotta brake differently when sliding

Poppie · 01-25-2013, 03:27 PM

Yep the Type R is slightly lighter but the Version 5/6 saloon weighed in at 1270kg which is actually 2799kg so Type R is about 2775 really.

Never had a car with ABS so i'm quite used to not having it but just use cadence braking does the job just as well (they don't have ABS because the I/C water bottle is where the ABS module would sit)

darksurfing · 01-25-2013, 04:25 PM

Sti V3 and STI V3 V-Limited weight 1250 kg not 1270, and the type R is 1190.
my sti v3 v-limited is quicker in stock form than a v5 type R. so if your sti v3 has the 6s ecu, then you are quicker.
my friend had a type R sti v5 with a turbo back exhaust and mushroom type air filter and I was stock except for rm-01a catback. we race a few times on a rolling race from 3rd, 2nd and 1st. from 1st gear the short gearing makes it quicker for about half car on front, but from 2nd gear, we were the same.

on the other hand the type R it is a bit more stiffer than the v3 sti, it might look nicer than the 4 door, pretty much depends on your preference.
the updated interior is nice mate,

it depends on your taste. show us some pictures of the car you want

abs is not a concern if you have driven a non abs fast car before.
I personally dont like the abs.

Kind regards

eg33GC · 01-25-2013, 04:34 PM

abs=no dccd

Poppie · 01-25-2013, 05:26 PM

Perhaps a small misunderstandign Darksurfing I was comparing the weights of the comparative V5 saloon/coupe weights (as the later cars were heavier) not the V3/V5 weights.

The Type R doesn't weigh 1190kg that's the RA weight.

Imprzaboy89 · 01-25-2013, 05:29 PM

v5 ftw its just way to nice love the 5/6 look

i_c_the_light · 01-25-2013, 05:36 PM

A friend of mine had one. Beautiful car. Only R I've driven sadly.

polaks · 01-26-2013, 12:23 AM

but the 1998 v5 sti type r has ej207 engine not the ej20k right? and has a vf28 twin scroll turbo? I believe thats what I read...

And appearantely the ej207 is better and more reliable than the ej20k but can it handle more power? Would you be able to get more power out of the ej207 than the ej20k?

i_c_the_light · 01-26-2013, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polaks

but the 1998 v5 sti type r has ej207 engine not the ej20k right? and has a vf28 twin scroll turbo? I believe thats what I read...

And appearantely the ej207 is better and more reliable than the ej20k but can it handle more power? Would you be able to get more power out of the ej207 than the ej20k?

The 28 isn't twinscroll.

Poppie · 01-26-2013, 06:20 AM

No GC8 was ever twinscroll (as far as I know).

Personally if you want to get the most out of either engine just rebuild it to the specs you want.

eg33GC · 01-26-2013, 01:24 PM

a k and v5 207 share rods, which is your issue.

darksurfing · 01-28-2013, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poppie

Perhaps a small misunderstandign Darksurfing I was comparing the weights of the comparative V5 saloon/coupe weights (as the later cars were heavier) not the V3/V5 weights.

The Type R doesn't weigh 1190kg that's the RA weight.

oh sorry , my bad.
you are right there, is the type ra the one that weights that. and I misunderstood what you were saying!

kind regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by eg33GC

a k and v5 207 share rods, which is your issue.

exactly, the Ej20K has these "forged pistons" and the ej207 doesn't. And both are open deck if not mistaken. or the ej207 is semi-close deck?

Jarrod164 · 01-28-2013, 03:02 PM

I was actually just trying to find this same kind of info!
So it's not an ej20k? I know they were in the 97/98 models so v3/v4. Soif the version 5 is 207, why is it that everyone wants a version 7/8/9 ej207 and not these? I know there are bigger heads on the version 8 at least.

eg33GC · 01-28-2013, 04:40 PM

7 got revised rods and rod bolts, the real weak point. And the bigger pump

8/9 got a revised crank (nitride-> heat treat 330/370 pn)

polaks · 01-28-2013, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarrod164

I was actually just trying to find this same kind of info!
So it's not an ej20k? I know they were in the 97/98 models so v3/v4. Soif the version 5 is 207, why is it that everyone wants a version 7/8/9 ej207 and not these? I know there are bigger heads on the version 8 at least.

Im not sure but I think the 1998 v4 is ej20k and 1998 v5 is when 207 started... I think...

coupe-a-loop · 01-29-2013, 02:47 PM

I currently drive a V2 RA, essentially the same just sedan. Pretty much all above said is true. Dccd is overrated for DD, unless you live in a very snowy area (or enjoy launching at every stop light perhaps) I have yet to use it once. With the gear ratios, major drone on the highway 100 km/h revs at 3.5K. Not sure about the R but the RA has zero sound deadening. Just a few things to keep in mind. I was lucky enough to find a legit RA with power windows though

Jarrod164 · 01-29-2013, 06:26 PM

Makes me wonder what kind of power the version 5/6 engines can hold despite the weaker rods/bolts. Like were they are least better than the EJ20K?
Should I be getting rid of my 550 tuned WRX for an ej20K (with a newer tune from Rob) or wait another year or two for a version 5/6???

coupe-a-loop · 01-29-2013, 10:37 PM

I went with my 95 RA because I know for a fact its a closed deck ej20g, I really love the coupes and owned a domestic coupe before this. I however did not want the ej20k and I know the difference in the stoutness of the motor is debatable, but hey my G is running a 550 tune and has just as much power as a K maybe more havent dynoed it. The old RA comes with all forged internals and I believe hand built? That being said you do get a few things when going newer as well, it's alot to consider. See what's available to you and when I checked the type R are alot more expensive to buy at auction, can't beat em for pure looks though.

eg33GC · 01-29-2013, 10:51 PM

The whole rod/bolts thing makes me wonder often. I ran ~320 trap speeds that suggest total failure from everyone in this sub forum.. yet you venture out to the ej205 based forum and find them doing 300+ and in great numbers.. on the SAME rods and bolts!

The K and G are likely just as strong as one another, but the difference in CR is something to consider.

i_c_the_light · 01-30-2013, 01:17 AM

Would it be safe to assume an N/A 7/8/9 have the same rods as their turbo counterparts?

Jarrod164 · 01-30-2013, 11:49 AM

I have a 550 tune as well and yes it's great. I just have been doing a lot of reading and would like an ej207 I think with a bigger rotated turbo. I want to be pushing 350+ whp. You won't get that out of the G/K I'm sure.
So then I'm now hearing that the ver5/6 has the ej207 so I'm wondering if I should pick one of those up instead of looking for a front clip for the same price heh.

polaks · 01-30-2013, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarrod164

I have a 550 tune as well and yes it's great. I just have been doing a lot of reading and would like an ej207 I think with a bigger rotated turbo. I want to be pushing 350+ whp. You won't get that out of the G/K I'm sure.
So then I'm now hearing that the ver5/6 has the ej207 so I'm wondering if I should pick one of those up instead of looking for a front clip for the same price heh.

That's what I'm going to do lol imma sell my 96 sti sometime around spring maybe summer and than import a 98 type r as soon as I can I think since they were made later in 1998 I havea tto wait till September for them to be legal in canada

01-24-2013, 10:41 PM	#1
polaks Scooby Newbie Member#: 305714 Join Date: Jan 2012	V5 sti type r I am thinking about selling my sti and getting a newer type r and I was doing some reading and was just wondering what are some of the differences between 1996 subaru sti v3 vs 1998 subaru sti type r v5? So far I found that the type r has dccd, intercooler sprayer, lighter, stiffer, hardend gearbox and close gear ratios, and other small things like appearance larger wing and white spedometer. Is there anything else which makes the type r better than my sti? Also how much lighter is it? around 2600lbs? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

01-25-2013, 05:26 PM	#8
Poppie Scooby Newbie Member#: 262422 Join Date: Oct 2010 Chapter/Region: International Location: Dorset,England Vehicle: 1998 V4 Type R Feather White	Perhaps a small misunderstandign Darksurfing I was comparing the weights of the comparative V5 saloon/coupe weights (as the later cars were heavier) not the V3/V5 weights. The Type R doesn't weigh 1190kg that's the RA weight. Last edited by Poppie; 01-25-2013 at 05:34 PM.

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01-25-2013, 12:30 AM	#2
blessthekellen Scooby Specialist Member#: 273859 Join Date: Feb 2011 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Alberta. Vehicle: MY98 WRX	2 doors vs 4 doors. dccd. updated interior. shorter gear ratios. V5 vs smaller coupe spoiler.

01-25-2013, 11:06 AM	#3
Poppie Scooby Newbie Member#: 262422 Join Date: Oct 2010 Chapter/Region: International Location: Dorset,England Vehicle: 1998 V4 Type R Feather White	Interior/Exterior facelift. 4pot/2pot brakes. More power. Thicker ARBs iirc. Gearbox is suited for acceleration not cruising imo and wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'hardened gearbox'. Kerb weight 1260kg/approx 2800lbs. No ABS.

01-25-2013, 03:27 PM	#5
Poppie Scooby Newbie Member#: 262422 Join Date: Oct 2010 Chapter/Region: International Location: Dorset,England Vehicle: 1998 V4 Type R Feather White	Yep the Type R is slightly lighter but the Version 5/6 saloon weighed in at 1270kg which is actually 2799kg so Type R is about 2775 really. Never had a car with ABS so i'm quite used to not having it but just use cadence braking does the job just as well (they don't have ABS because the I/C water bottle is where the ABS module would sit)

01-25-2013, 04:25 PM	#6
darksurfing Scooby Newbie Member#: 269804 Join Date: Jan 2011 Chapter/Region: International Location: Stgo, Chile Vehicle: 1997 Sti V-Limited rally blue	Sti V3 and STI V3 V-Limited weight 1250 kg not 1270, and the type R is 1190. my sti v3 v-limited is quicker in stock form than a v5 type R. so if your sti v3 has the 6s ecu, then you are quicker. my friend had a type R sti v5 with a turbo back exhaust and mushroom type air filter and I was stock except for rm-01a catback. we race a few times on a rolling race from 3rd, 2nd and 1st. from 1st gear the short gearing makes it quicker for about half car on front, but from 2nd gear, we were the same. on the other hand the type R it is a bit more stiffer than the v3 sti, it might look nicer than the 4 door, pretty much depends on your preference. the updated interior is nice mate, it depends on your taste. show us some pictures of the car you want abs is not a concern if you have driven a non abs fast car before. I personally dont like the abs. Kind regards

01-25-2013, 04:34 PM	#7
eg33GC Scooby Specialist Member#: 206851 Join Date: Mar 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 99 V4 EJ20K RS	abs=no dccd

01-25-2013, 05:29 PM	#9
Imprzaboy89 Scooby Newbie Member#: 241311 Join Date: Mar 2010 Chapter/Region: South East Location: GA ATL SON Vehicle: 95L V6WRXSTI type R HE?RP DERP	v5 ftw its just way to nice love the 5/6 look

01-25-2013, 05:36 PM	#10
i_c_the_light Scooby Guru Member#: 88618 Join Date: Jun 2005 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: New Zealand Vehicle: 1994 Legacy "The Silver Slug"	A friend of mine had one. Beautiful car. Only R I've driven sadly.

01-26-2013, 12:23 AM	#11
polaks Scooby Newbie Member#: 305714 Join Date: Jan 2012	but the 1998 v5 sti type r has ej207 engine not the ej20k right? and has a vf28 twin scroll turbo? I believe thats what I read... And appearantely the ej207 is better and more reliable than the ej20k but can it handle more power? Would you be able to get more power out of the ej207 than the ej20k?

01-26-2013, 06:20 AM	#13
Poppie Scooby Newbie Member#: 262422 Join Date: Oct 2010 Chapter/Region: International Location: Dorset,England Vehicle: 1998 V4 Type R Feather White	No GC8 was ever twinscroll (as far as I know). Personally if you want to get the most out of either engine just rebuild it to the specs you want.

01-26-2013, 01:24 PM	#14
eg33GC Scooby Specialist Member#: 206851 Join Date: Mar 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 99 V4 EJ20K RS	a k and v5 207 share rods, which is your issue.

01-28-2013, 03:02 PM	#16
Jarrod164 Scooby Newbie Member#: 253937 Join Date: Aug 2010 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Edmonton Vehicle: 1995 WRX White	I was actually just trying to find this same kind of info! So it's not an ej20k? I know they were in the 97/98 models so v3/v4. Soif the version 5 is 207, why is it that everyone wants a version 7/8/9 ej207 and not these? I know there are bigger heads on the version 8 at least.

01-28-2013, 04:40 PM	#17
eg33GC Scooby Specialist Member#: 206851 Join Date: Mar 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 99 V4 EJ20K RS	7 got revised rods and rod bolts, the real weak point. And the bigger pump 8/9 got a revised crank (nitride-> heat treat 330/370 pn)

01-29-2013, 02:47 PM	#19
coupe-a-loop Scooby Newbie Member#: 336028 Join Date: Oct 2012 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver BC Vehicle: 1995 v2 sti type ra Glacier White	I currently drive a V2 RA, essentially the same just sedan. Pretty much all above said is true. Dccd is overrated for DD, unless you live in a very snowy area (or enjoy launching at every stop light perhaps) I have yet to use it once. With the gear ratios, major drone on the highway 100 km/h revs at 3.5K. Not sure about the R but the RA has zero sound deadening. Just a few things to keep in mind. I was lucky enough to find a legit RA with power windows though

01-29-2013, 06:26 PM	#20
Jarrod164 Scooby Newbie Member#: 253937 Join Date: Aug 2010 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Edmonton Vehicle: 1995 WRX White	Makes me wonder what kind of power the version 5/6 engines can hold despite the weaker rods/bolts. Like were they are least better than the EJ20K? Should I be getting rid of my 550 tuned WRX for an ej20K (with a newer tune from Rob) or wait another year or two for a version 5/6???

01-29-2013, 10:37 PM	#21
coupe-a-loop Scooby Newbie Member#: 336028 Join Date: Oct 2012 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver BC Vehicle: 1995 v2 sti type ra Glacier White	I went with my 95 RA because I know for a fact its a closed deck ej20g, I really love the coupes and owned a domestic coupe before this. I however did not want the ej20k and I know the difference in the stoutness of the motor is debatable, but hey my G is running a 550 tune and has just as much power as a K maybe more havent dynoed it. The old RA comes with all forged internals and I believe hand built? That being said you do get a few things when going newer as well, it's alot to consider. See what's available to you and when I checked the type R are alot more expensive to buy at auction, can't beat em for pure looks though.

01-29-2013, 10:51 PM	#22
eg33GC Scooby Specialist Member#: 206851 Join Date: Mar 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 99 V4 EJ20K RS	The whole rod/bolts thing makes me wonder often. I ran ~320 trap speeds that suggest total failure from everyone in this sub forum.. yet you venture out to the ej205 based forum and find them doing 300+ and in great numbers.. on the SAME rods and bolts! The K and G are likely just as strong as one another, but the difference in CR is something to consider.

01-30-2013, 01:17 AM	#23
i_c_the_light Scooby Guru Member#: 88618 Join Date: Jun 2005 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: New Zealand Vehicle: 1994 Legacy "The Silver Slug"	Would it be safe to assume an N/A 7/8/9 have the same rods as their turbo counterparts?

01-30-2013, 11:49 AM	#24
Jarrod164 Scooby Newbie Member#: 253937 Join Date: Aug 2010 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Edmonton Vehicle: 1995 WRX White	I have a 550 tune as well and yes it's great. I just have been doing a lot of reading and would like an ej207 I think with a bigger rotated turbo. I want to be pushing 350+ whp. You won't get that out of the G/K I'm sure. So then I'm now hearing that the ver5/6 has the ej207 so I'm wondering if I should pick one of those up instead of looking for a front clip for the same price heh.