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Old 01-24-2013, 10:41 PM   #1
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Default V5 sti type r

I am thinking about selling my sti and getting a newer type r and I was doing some reading and was just wondering what are some of the differences between 1996 subaru sti v3 vs 1998 subaru sti type r v5?

So far I found that the type r has dccd, intercooler sprayer, lighter, stiffer, hardend gearbox and close gear ratios, and other small things like appearance larger wing and white spedometer.

Is there anything else which makes the type r better than my sti?

Also how much lighter is it? around 2600lbs?
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:30 AM   #2
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2 doors vs 4 doors.
dccd.
updated interior.
shorter gear ratios.
V5 vs smaller coupe spoiler.
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:06 AM   #3
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Interior/Exterior facelift.
4pot/2pot brakes.
More power.
Thicker ARBs iirc.
Gearbox is suited for acceleration not cruising imo and wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'hardened gearbox'.
Kerb weight 1260kg/approx 2800lbs.
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:41 PM   #4
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Interior/Exterior facelift.
4pot/2pot brakes.
More power.
Thicker ARBs iirc.
Gearbox is suited for acceleration not cruising imo and wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'hardened gearbox'.
Kerb weight 1260kg/approx 2800lbs.
No ABS.
2800lbs isn't that the sedan and the coupe was suppose to be a little bit lighter right?

Better brakes I like idk about no abs I guess no big deal just gotta brake differently when sliding
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:27 PM   #5
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Yep the Type R is slightly lighter but the Version 5/6 saloon weighed in at 1270kg which is actually 2799kg so Type R is about 2775 really.

Never had a car with ABS so i'm quite used to not having it but just use cadence braking does the job just as well (they don't have ABS because the I/C water bottle is where the ABS module would sit)
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:25 PM   #6
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Sti V3 and STI V3 V-Limited weight 1250 kg not 1270, and the type R is 1190.
my sti v3 v-limited is quicker in stock form than a v5 type R. so if your sti v3 has the 6s ecu, then you are quicker.
my friend had a type R sti v5 with a turbo back exhaust and mushroom type air filter and I was stock except for rm-01a catback. we race a few times on a rolling race from 3rd, 2nd and 1st. from 1st gear the short gearing makes it quicker for about half car on front, but from 2nd gear, we were the same.

on the other hand the type R it is a bit more stiffer than the v3 sti, it might look nicer than the 4 door, pretty much depends on your preference.
the updated interior is nice mate,

it depends on your taste. show us some pictures of the car you want

abs is not a concern if you have driven a non abs fast car before.
I personally dont like the abs.

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Old 01-25-2013, 04:34 PM   #7
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abs=no dccd
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:26 PM   #8
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Perhaps a small misunderstandign Darksurfing I was comparing the weights of the comparative V5 saloon/coupe weights (as the later cars were heavier) not the V3/V5 weights.

The Type R doesn't weigh 1190kg that's the RA weight.

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Old 01-25-2013, 05:29 PM   #9
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v5 ftw its just way to nice love the 5/6 look
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:36 PM   #10
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A friend of mine had one. Beautiful car. Only R I've driven sadly.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:23 AM   #11
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but the 1998 v5 sti type r has ej207 engine not the ej20k right? and has a vf28 twin scroll turbo? I believe thats what I read...

And appearantely the ej207 is better and more reliable than the ej20k but can it handle more power? Would you be able to get more power out of the ej207 than the ej20k?
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:58 AM   #12
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but the 1998 v5 sti type r has ej207 engine not the ej20k right? and has a vf28 twin scroll turbo? I believe thats what I read...

And appearantely the ej207 is better and more reliable than the ej20k but can it handle more power? Would you be able to get more power out of the ej207 than the ej20k?
The 28 isn't twinscroll.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:20 AM   #13
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No GC8 was ever twinscroll (as far as I know).

Personally if you want to get the most out of either engine just rebuild it to the specs you want.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:24 PM   #14
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a k and v5 207 share rods, which is your issue.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:56 AM   #15
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Perhaps a small misunderstandign Darksurfing I was comparing the weights of the comparative V5 saloon/coupe weights (as the later cars were heavier) not the V3/V5 weights.

The Type R doesn't weigh 1190kg that's the RA weight.

oh sorry , my bad.
you are right there, is the type ra the one that weights that. and I misunderstood what you were saying!


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a k and v5 207 share rods, which is your issue.
exactly, the Ej20K has these "forged pistons" and the ej207 doesn't. And both are open deck if not mistaken. or the ej207 is semi-close deck?
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:02 PM   #16
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I was actually just trying to find this same kind of info!
So it's not an ej20k? I know they were in the 97/98 models so v3/v4. Soif the version 5 is 207, why is it that everyone wants a version 7/8/9 ej207 and not these? I know there are bigger heads on the version 8 at least.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:40 PM   #17
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7 got revised rods and rod bolts, the real weak point. And the bigger pump

8/9 got a revised crank (nitride-> heat treat 330/370 pn)
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:41 PM   #18
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I was actually just trying to find this same kind of info!
So it's not an ej20k? I know they were in the 97/98 models so v3/v4. Soif the version 5 is 207, why is it that everyone wants a version 7/8/9 ej207 and not these? I know there are bigger heads on the version 8 at least.
Im not sure but I think the 1998 v4 is ej20k and 1998 v5 is when 207 started... I think...
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:47 PM   #19
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I currently drive a V2 RA, essentially the same just sedan. Pretty much all above said is true. Dccd is overrated for DD, unless you live in a very snowy area (or enjoy launching at every stop light perhaps) I have yet to use it once. With the gear ratios, major drone on the highway 100 km/h revs at 3.5K. Not sure about the R but the RA has zero sound deadening. Just a few things to keep in mind. I was lucky enough to find a legit RA with power windows though
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Makes me wonder what kind of power the version 5/6 engines can hold despite the weaker rods/bolts. Like were they are least better than the EJ20K?
Should I be getting rid of my 550 tuned WRX for an ej20K (with a newer tune from Rob) or wait another year or two for a version 5/6???
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I went with my 95 RA because I know for a fact its a closed deck ej20g, I really love the coupes and owned a domestic coupe before this. I however did not want the ej20k and I know the difference in the stoutness of the motor is debatable, but hey my G is running a 550 tune and has just as much power as a K maybe more havent dynoed it. The old RA comes with all forged internals and I believe hand built? That being said you do get a few things when going newer as well, it's alot to consider. See what's available to you and when I checked the type R are alot more expensive to buy at auction, can't beat em for pure looks though.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:51 PM   #22
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The whole rod/bolts thing makes me wonder often. I ran ~320 trap speeds that suggest total failure from everyone in this sub forum.. yet you venture out to the ej205 based forum and find them doing 300+ and in great numbers.. on the SAME rods and bolts!

The K and G are likely just as strong as one another, but the difference in CR is something to consider.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:17 AM   #23
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Would it be safe to assume an N/A 7/8/9 have the same rods as their turbo counterparts?
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:49 AM   #24
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I have a 550 tune as well and yes it's great. I just have been doing a lot of reading and would like an ej207 I think with a bigger rotated turbo. I want to be pushing 350+ whp. You won't get that out of the G/K I'm sure.
So then I'm now hearing that the ver5/6 has the ej207 so I'm wondering if I should pick one of those up instead of looking for a front clip for the same price heh.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:02 PM   #25
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I have a 550 tune as well and yes it's great. I just have been doing a lot of reading and would like an ej207 I think with a bigger rotated turbo. I want to be pushing 350+ whp. You won't get that out of the G/K I'm sure.
So then I'm now hearing that the ver5/6 has the ej207 so I'm wondering if I should pick one of those up instead of looking for a front clip for the same price heh.
That's what I'm going to do lol imma sell my 96 sti sometime around spring maybe summer and than import a 98 type r as soon as I can I think since they were made later in 1998 I havea tto wait till September for them to be legal in canada
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