V5 sti type r - Page 2

eg33GC · 01-30-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by i_c_the_light

Would it be safe to assume an N/A 7/8/9 have the same rods as their turbo counterparts?

I am not sure, but I know the USA n/as use the same old weaker rod

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eg33GC · 01-30-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrod164

I have a 550 tune as well and yes it's great. I just have been doing a lot of reading and would like an ej207 I think with a bigger rotated turbo. I want to be pushing 350+ whp. You won't get that out of the G/K I'm sure.
So then I'm now hearing that the ver5/6 has the ej207 so I'm wondering if I should pick one of those up instead of looking for a front clip for the same price heh.

Do some research. The 5 and 6 207 are no stronger at ALL than a g/k. Read the reasons why.

i_c_the_light · 01-30-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eg33GC

Do some research. The 5 and 6 207 are no stronger at ALL than a g/k. Read the reasons why.

Do those new rods even fit to a centre thrust crank?

eg33GC · 01-30-2013, 06:51 PM

all 52mm rods fit 52mm cranks with an ej

Jarrod164 · 01-31-2013, 12:22 PM

I'm finding it tough to gather info on the ver5/6 engines. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of swapping going on with those and we're not importing them yet. Though it'd be a long time after we import before anyone probably works on/tunes them.

Thinking the version 8 ej207 would be best then for my 350whp needs, swapped into my 93 impreza L heh.

polaks · 01-31-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrod164

I'm finding it tough to gather info on the ver5/6 engines. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of swapping going on with those and we're not importing them yet. Though it'd be a long time after we import before anyone probably works on/tunes them.

Thinking the version 8 ej207 would be best then for my 350whp needs, swapped into my 93 impreza L heh.

I know what you mean there is very little information about the version 5's and the type r's too....

ShinjiML · 01-31-2013, 04:07 PM

So the v5/6 type ra has forged rods but cast pistons?

simer1228 · 01-31-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ShinjiML

So the v5/6 type ra has forged rods but cast pistons?

other way around, forged pistons & cast rods.

FYI, I know a thing or two about the v5/6 STi's

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Originally Posted by eg33GC

Do some research. The 5 and 6 207 are no stronger at ALL than a g/k. Read the reasons why.

quoted for truth.

Modollenroc · 02-07-2013, 09:40 AM

If I'm not mistaking the only difference between the v5 and v6 207 is that Subaru issued a clutch upgrade but after you've changed it out then I suppose there's no difference at all. And if I'm not mistaking the lack of lubrication in the crank is why the 20K isn't preferred over the 207 because they are somewhat prone to spinning bearings. The v7/8/9 has AVCS which the 5/6 doesn't. iirc

Jarrod164 · 02-07-2013, 10:45 AM

AVCS is supposed to be godly haha. And I'm sure tuning for the 7/8/9 is a lot easier because it can be done with a tactrix cable. You can flash the ecu without having to go to an expensive aftermarket.

I think my new goals are to put in an ej20k into my 93 impreza because those engines are damn cheap. Then slap in rob's new tune when it's ready

jaxscuby · 02-07-2013, 06:31 PM

all factory rods are forged..just not pretty..

i_c_the_light · 02-07-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Modollenroc

If I'm not mistaking the only difference between the v5 and v6 207 is that Subaru issued a clutch upgrade but after you've changed it out then I suppose there's no difference at all. And if I'm not mistaking the lack of lubrication in the crank is why the 20K isn't preferred over the 207 because they are somewhat prone to spinning bearings. The v7/8/9 has AVCS which the 5/6 doesn't. iirc

More like the K's got a vastly more aggressive tune hence the bearings getting a pounding.

czaviar · 02-23-2013, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by polaks

I know what you mean there is very little information about the version 5's and the type r's too....

Try this, you will only need to run Google translate: http://drischnie.homeip.net/www.suba...eza.de/STi.htm

WelDun1 · 04-13-2013, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ShinjiML

So the v5/6 type ra has forged rods but cast pistons?

All ver5/6 STi have forged pistons and rods. *EDIT*Ver 5/6/7 ej207's have Forged Pistons, and the Ver 8/9 ej207's have Cast hypereutectic pistons.

I'm in the middle of a ver5 Type-R swap right now. It's the best engine I've ever owned! I like the ver5/6 ej207's, and I'm thinking about putting some Ver9 Heads on my Ver5 Type-R. If you replace the rods and bearings on the ver5/6 207 when you get it, they are bad ass engines.

i_c_the_light · 04-14-2013, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WelDun1

All ver5/6 STi have forged pistons and rods. All ej207 have forged pistons except the ver7, which have the hypereutectic pistons.

I'm in the middle of a ver5 Type-R swap right now. It's the best engine I've ever owned! I like the ver5/6 better than the other ej207, but that's just me. Most will say that it doesn't get better than Ver7, and that's just bcuz of AVCS.

Your information doesn't stack up at all.

WelDun1 · 04-14-2013, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by i_c_the_light

Your information doesn't stack up at all.

How do you figure? There so many threads on here plus links to brochures on the forged pistons in the Ver5/6 ej207... So what doesn't stack up?

i_c_the_light · 04-14-2013, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by WelDun1

How do you figure? There so many threads on here plus links to brochures on the forged pistons in the Ver5/6 ej207... So what doesn't stack up?

The amount of misinformation that floats around the place makes me not take anything for granted. How long was it that people thought that the EJ22T (which is actually designated EJ22B according to my own research and what was stamped on a set of 2.2 turbo HG I had purchased - if I'm wrong, somebody tell me) had forged pistons and that all GC8 engines had CD blocks.

Marnix · 04-14-2013, 07:36 AM

All EJ20K STI engines and all EJ207 engines have forged pistons up to 2005. After that they were hyperteutic cast. The stronger rods came in the 2001 and later EJ207 STI engines.

Gyver · 04-14-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WelDun1

All ver5/6 STi have forged pistons and rods. All ej207 have forged pistons except the ver7, which have the hypereutectic pistons.

I'm in the middle of a ver5 Type-R swap right now. It's the best engine I've ever owned! I like the ver5/6 better than the other ej207, but that's just me. Most will say that it doesn't get better than Ver7, and that's just bcuz of AVCS.

Nope, just forged pistons on the v5/6

Nope, the v7 had forged pistons also, the ver8 onwards have hypereutectic pistons. I know because i recently replaced my jdm sti ver5 shortblock to a jdm sti ver8 and did a lot of research.

The version 8 jdm bottom end is the toughest of them all, but the v9 had better heads.

WelDun1 · 04-14-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyver

Nope, just forged pistons on the v5/6

Nope, the v7 had forged pistons also, the ver8 onwards have hypereutectic pistons. I know because i recently replaced my jdm sti ver5 shortblock to a jdm sti ver8 and did a lot of research.

The version 8 jdm bottom end is the toughest of them all, but the v9 had better heads.

Sweet, thanx for correcting me. I thought they all did except 7 or 8 having the hypereutectic. My point was that the ver5/6 weren't cast.

i_c_the_light · 04-14-2013, 08:22 PM

I did my own Googling and pictures are enough for me.

NICO TURBINE · 04-15-2013, 08:55 PM

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2475190

eg33GC · 04-15-2013, 09:05 PM

dude, you cant ask v7 driveline swaps prices for a super high mileage v4...

NICO TURBINE · 04-15-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eg33GC

dude, you cant ask v7 driveline swaps prices for a super high mileage v4...

Dude learn in what your getting first ! Your getting a complet car not bits and piece from a Jdm supplier !

Do you even know what it takes to get every single piece of wire
From a Jdm supplier ? With everything like the dash and hubs Knuckles let alone the rare 5mt and that diff and the rare rear hubs not mutalated ?

No you don't but I do because I buy these things every day !

Your v7 comes with motor tranny diff and what options like brakes for 7k + !! Your v7 has been raped out the car and sitting for 2months in a box from people that no nothing about cars taken apart with saw !!

Come talk to me when you do your home work ! I live in the heaven of the Jdm suppliers..

Do your home work

AgentJ17 · 04-16-2013, 03:29 PM

Yeah, I mean anyone who chops the axles instead of simply popping out the roll pin and undoing the axle nut to remove them, snips wiring instead simply undoing it at the connector, and slashes lines/hoses instead of properly undoing them is so stupid on so many levels. They're not saving themselves any money by taking these "shortcuts", they're just needlessly devaluing their own products.

But unfortunately, that's what you're buying from these suppliers.

02-07-2013, 09:40 AM	#34
Modollenroc Scooby Newbie Member#: 243499 Join Date: Apr 2010	If I'm not mistaking the only difference between the v5 and v6 207 is that Subaru issued a clutch upgrade but after you've changed it out then I suppose there's no difference at all. And if I'm not mistaking the lack of lubrication in the crank is why the 20K isn't preferred over the 207 because they are somewhat prone to spinning bearings. The v7/8/9 has AVCS which the 5/6 doesn't. iirc Last edited by Modollenroc; 02-07-2013 at 09:52 AM.

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01-30-2013, 06:51 PM	#29
eg33GC Scooby Specialist Member#: 206851 Join Date: Mar 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 99 V4 EJ20K RS	all 52mm rods fit 52mm cranks with an ej

01-31-2013, 12:22 PM	#30
Jarrod164 Scooby Newbie Member#: 253937 Join Date: Aug 2010 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Edmonton Vehicle: 1995 WRX White	I'm finding it tough to gather info on the ver5/6 engines. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of swapping going on with those and we're not importing them yet. Though it'd be a long time after we import before anyone probably works on/tunes them. Thinking the version 8 ej207 would be best then for my 350whp needs, swapped into my 93 impreza L heh.

01-31-2013, 04:07 PM	#32
ShinjiML Scooby Newbie Member#: 257231 Join Date: Sep 2010 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Upstate, NY Vehicle: 2002 WRX Stage II WRB	So the v5/6 type ra has forged rods but cast pistons?

02-07-2013, 10:45 AM	#35
Jarrod164 Scooby Newbie Member#: 253937 Join Date: Aug 2010 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Edmonton Vehicle: 1995 WRX White	AVCS is supposed to be godly haha. And I'm sure tuning for the 7/8/9 is a lot easier because it can be done with a tactrix cable. You can flash the ecu without having to go to an expensive aftermarket. I think my new goals are to put in an ej20k into my 93 impreza because those engines are damn cheap. Then slap in rob's new tune when it's ready

02-07-2013, 06:31 PM	#36
jaxscuby n00b Moderator Moderator Member#: 10613 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: F L O R I D A Vehicle: 2002 USDM WRX WRB	all factory rods are forged..just not pretty..

04-14-2013, 07:36 AM	#43
Marnix Scooby Specialist Member#: 51480 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: International Location: The Netherlands Vehicle: 1984 AM5, 1994 BC4, 2010 BR5	All EJ20K STI engines and all EJ207 engines have forged pistons up to 2005. After that they were hyperteutic cast. The stronger rods came in the 2001 and later EJ207 STI engines.

04-14-2013, 08:22 PM	#46
i_c_the_light Scooby Guru Member#: 88618 Join Date: Jun 2005 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: New Zealand Vehicle: 1994 Legacy "The Silver Slug"	I did my own Googling and pictures are enough for me.

04-15-2013, 08:55 PM	#47
NICO TURBINE Scooby Specialist Member#: 15445 Join Date: Feb 2002 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: North Pole Igloo Vehicle: 1986 Leone STi EJ22T JDM White	http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2475190

04-15-2013, 09:05 PM	#48
eg33GC Scooby Specialist Member#: 206851 Join Date: Mar 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 99 V4 EJ20K RS	dude, you cant ask v7 driveline swaps prices for a super high mileage v4...

04-16-2013, 03:29 PM	#50
AgentJ17 Scooby Newbie Member#: 306411 Join Date: Jan 2012 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Duncan, BC Vehicle: 1995 STi RA White	Yeah, I mean anyone who chops the axles instead of simply popping out the roll pin and undoing the axle nut to remove them, snips wiring instead simply undoing it at the connector, and slashes lines/hoses instead of properly undoing them is so stupid on so many levels. They're not saving themselves any money by taking these "shortcuts", they're just needlessly devaluing their own products. But unfortunately, that's what you're buying from these suppliers.