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Old 01-28-2013, 10:06 PM   #1
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I bought a ej205 motor for my 02 wrx that I'm rebuildin, I'm not doing anything crazy just wanting the motor to be strong and last. With that said I'm little lost with what turbo and injectors I should get.. I'm not wanting to make a lot of power, I would say my goal is 400hp if that..I'll be running 92mm Manley pistons and rods..

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I bought a ej205 motor for my 02 wrx that I'm rebuildin, I'm not doing anything crazy just wanting the motor to be strong and last. With that said I'm little lost with what turbo and injectors I should get.. I'm not wanting to make a lot of power, I would say my goal is 400hp if that..I'll be running 92mm Manley pistons and rods..

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a GTX3076 will get you there no problem, depends on the fuel for the injectors.

on pump gas you'll need at least 850cc I would do 1000cc so you have some head room

You will need other supporting mods though.
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I bought a ej205 motor for my 02 wrx that I'm rebuildin, I'm not doing anything crazy just wanting the motor to be strong and last. With that said I'm little lost with what turbo and injectors I should get.. I'm not wanting to make a lot of power, I would say my goal is 400hp if that..I'll be running 92mm Manley pistons and rods..

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My honest suggestion would be to put a 79mm STi crank in when you build the engine. A brand new one is only like $300-$400 and the advantages are huge. The powerband is just simply better in every way and it doesn't sound like you are going to be trying to rev it to the moon either. If you can swing it and find them, EJ207 heads with ecu will help you out a lot too (AVCS helps with powerband and better heads mean making more power easier).

My old 2.1 stroker ej205 with v7 heads and a small cam upgrade was one of my favorite engines I have ever worked with. I beat it within an inch of its life every day, ran it on 100 octane with 30-32 psi for months on end, and it had a silly wide power band for what it was. APS 525 front mount HTA Green hitting 20 psi at 3700-3800 rpm in 4th gear and it would carry 27 psi to 8,000 rpm. There is another one of pretty much this exact setup locally that I tuned on an HTA68 on e85 that did 390wtq/380whp on a mustang dyno at 24 psi.

Pair that with a 50-60 lb/min turbo and you will get your power figure. The GTX3076 is a great option like Phil said, but there are a lot of options in this power range depending on if you want stock location or rotated: 20GXT(R), HTA Green, regular GT3076, Dom 1.5 or 2.0 XTR... etc.

As far as injectors go, you really can't go wrong with ID1000s.
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My honest suggestion would be to put a 79mm STi crank in when you build the engine. A brand new one is only like $300-$400 and the advantages are huge. The powerband is just simply better in every way and it doesn't sound like you are going to be trying to rev it to the moon either. If you can swing it and find them, EJ207 heads with ecu will help you out a lot too (AVCS helps with powerband and better heads mean making more power easier).

My old 2.1 stroker ej205 with v7 heads and a small cam upgrade was one of my favorite engines I have ever worked with. I beat it within an inch of its life every day, ran it on 100 octane with 30-32 psi for months on end, and it had a silly wide power band for what it was. APS 525 front mount HTA Green hitting 20 psi at 3700-3800 rpm in 4th gear and it would carry 27 psi to 8,000 rpm. There is another one of pretty much this exact setup locally that I tuned on an HTA68 on e85 that did 390wtq/380whp on a mustang dyno at 24 psi.

Pair that with a 50-60 lb/min turbo and you will get your power figure. The GTX3076 is a great option like Phil said, but there are a lot of options in this power range depending on if you want stock location or rotated: 20GXT(R), HTA Green, regular GT3076, Dom 1.5 or 2.0 XTR... etc.

As far as injectors go, you really can't go wrong with ID1000s.
good call, I just did a 2.1 stroker for a customer who is also running the 207 big ports with AVCS with a FP 76HTA BB Red, I'm afraid he's going to toast his 5MT.

I have the same turbo on my car 2.5/B25 with a conservative pump gas tune ( only 15* timing up top) putting down 397WHP

OP there are many choices to go with to get you there. My recommendation if you're doing a stroker is to ditch those 92mm slugs and go .010 or .020 oversize. pay once and do it right.

You have a lot of research to do, I would maybe start with this thread

NITROS's car is pretty freakin fast! I have been glued to the front seat a few times


and I'm always around so if you have any questions you can't seem to find the answer to PM me.

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good call, I just did a 2.1 stroker for a customer who is also running the 207 big ports with AVCS with a FP 76HTA BB Red, I'm afraid he's going to toast his 5MT.

I have the same turbo on my car 2.5/B25 with a conservative pump gas tune ( only 15* timing up top) putting down 397WHP

OP there are many choices to go with to get you there. My recommendation if you're doing a stroker is to ditch those 92mm slugs and go .010 or .020 oversize. pay once and do it right.

You have a lot of research to do, I would maybe start with this thread

NITROS's car is pretty freakin fast! I have been glued to the front seat a few times


and I'm always around so if you have any questions you can't seem to find the answer to PM me.

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I respectfully disagree on the over sizing of the pistons if the OP thinks he will want to push this decently. A mild overbore isn't going to be catastrophic, but I had my engine with a 93mm piston and actually ended up with a couple small cracks in the sleeves after 40 some thousand miles of idiocy.

It is my personal opinion, that budget or daily driver builds should be at minimum boring acceptable for that case (stock if possible). Granted you are not taking a ton off of the sleeve but at some level you are weakening the sleeve, and the steel part of the sleeve at that.

How much this weakens it is highly debatable but if you want maximum sleeve strength, leave it as stock a bore as you can. The difference between a 92mm piston and 93mm piston on a 79mm stroke is only .0459L so a full millimeter on this piston doesn't even get you 1/2 the displacement the crank change does (nor the other benefits).

That is my opinion anyway.

Edit: Actually Phil, I am kind of sad NITROS and I never got to line up at a shootout, our builds were remarkably parallel and it would have probably been a great race!
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good call, I just did a 2.1 stroker for a customer who is also running the 207 big ports with AVCS with a FP 76HTA BB Red, I'm afraid he's going to toast his 5MT.

I have the same turbo on my car 2.5/B25 with a conservative pump gas tune ( only 15* timing up top) putting down 397WHP

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Happen to have any or can you get a log of that on your car? Just curious how it spools in comparison to some others.
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Happen to have any or can you get a log of that on your car? Just curious how it spools in comparison to some others.
If I still have the logs I'll post em up, I was hitting full boost at 42-4300 with a 7500. We're not done tuning, the car is done for the winter. When the weather breaks we'll play with it some more.

I need to pull my intake mani and install my IAT and switch the tune over to SD so thats the next step.

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Oh I've seen that I just didn't know it was you lol. Thanks.
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I respectfully disagree on the over sizing of the pistons if the OP thinks he will want to push this decently. A mild overbore isn't going to be catastrophic, but I had my engine with a 93mm piston and actually ended up with a couple small cracks in the sleeves after 40 some thousand miles of idiocy.

It is my personal opinion, that budget or daily driver builds should be at minimum boring acceptable for that case (stock if possible). Granted you are not taking a ton off of the sleeve but at some level you are weakening the sleeve, and the steel part of the sleeve at that.

How much this weakens it is highly debatable but if you want maximum sleeve strength, leave it as stock a bore as you can. The difference between a 92mm piston and 93mm piston on a 79mm stroke is only .0459L so a full millimeter on this piston doesn't even get you 1/2 the displacement the crank change does (nor the other benefits).

That is my opinion anyway.

Edit: Actually Phil, I am kind of sad NITROS and I never got to line up at a shootout, our builds were remarkably parallel and it would have probably been a great race!
I agree that increasing the bore diameter is detrimental to the overall cylinder strength, but if he is using used cases theres no way he's going to get away with stock size slugs.

.010 over would be where I would want to be. Or a sleeve.

OP make sure you have those cases bore/honed with a torque plate after you measure the cylinder for out of round and taper. And dont buy pistons till everything has been measured and your machinist tells you what size slugs to order.
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I agree that increasing the bore diameter is detrimental to the overall cylinder strength, but if he is using used cases theres no way he's going to get away with stock size slugs.

.010 over would be where I would want to be. Or a sleeve.

OP make sure you have those cases bore/honed with a torque plate after you measure the cylinder for out of round and taper. And dont buy pistons till everything has been measured and your machinist tells you what size slugs to order.
I think we have been saying the same thing but I misread you as saying take it to 92.5-93mm regardless.
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a GTX3076 will get you there no problem, depends on the fuel for the injectors.

on pump gas you'll need at least 850cc I would do 1000cc so you have some head room

You will need other supporting mods though.
What other options do I have(td05,vf39)or something?.. I will be running 93 octane, and keeping it 92mm with oem crank.. If I get 1000cc and only need 850cc will that hurt the car?.. Also what other mods would I need? I would like to keep it in the stock location as well..
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What other options do I have(td05,vf39)or something?.. I will be running 93 octane, and keeping it 92mm with oem crank.. If I get 1000cc and only need 850cc will that hurt the car?.. Also what other mods would I need? I would like to keep it in the stock location as well..

Getting bigger injectors than you need is a good move, and the only thing it will affect is the drive-ability, the only time you will really notice a difference compared to stock is in the way the car idles; that's if you even notice at all. I have a blouch dominator 2.0, it uses a genuine garett gt3076r compressor wheel, a T31 turbine wheel in a mitsubishi 7cm housing, it would bolt straight on to your car. The spool would be late, but spool is relative to what you're used to. 2.0 TD04 to a cammed 30r setup, it's going to be a totally different car. Check my thread in the classifieds, I'll let it go for 800 shipped and the turbo was just rebuilt by a reputable vendor off the DSM forums.
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Getting bigger injectors than you need is a good move, and the only thing it will affect is the drive-ability, the only time you will really notice a difference compared to stock is in the way the car idles; that's if you even notice at all. I have a blouch dominator 2.0, it uses a genuine garett gt3076r compressor wheel, a T31 turbine wheel in a mitsubishi 7cm housing, it would bolt straight on to your car. The spool would be late, but spool is relative to what you're used to. 2.0 TD04 to a cammed 30r setup, it's going to be a totally different car. Check my thread in the classifieds, I'll let it go for 800 shipped and the turbo was just rebuilt by a reputable vendor off the DSM forums.

Alright I see, so 1000cc are goin to be the best bet.. How does it idle diff?.. I looked at the GTX3076 and they are little much in price and I know nothing good is going to be cheap just did know if I could pick up something cheaper?..
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Alright I see, so 1000cc are goin to be the best bet.. How does it idle diff?.. I looked at the GTX3076 and they are little much in price and I know nothing good is going to be cheap just did know if I could pick up something cheaper?..

You have a lot of research to do my friend.


400 hp in a Subaru isn't going to be cheap.
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What would a vf39 give me?
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vf39 will get ya about 300 give or take and 325+ on E85


100% go with ID1000 injectors. I had them in my near stock wrx and they idle better then the stock injector/tune after I had the car tuned. Then if you wanna go E85 and make some more power you dont need to upgrade again
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Optimistically, 300whp.
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I think I'm going to try and stay away from E85, because I'm not sure where to get it from in my town.. What about a 16g or 18g?.. I only ask because I don't know to much about turbos and the power they can make..
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Spend some time browsing the Proven Power Bragging forum and the various online dyno databases (EFI Logics, Cobb Tuning, etc.) to get an idea of what different set-ups are capable of.
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You have a lot of research to do my friend.


400 hp in a Subaru isn't going to be cheap.
^^ This, all of it, if you want it to last.

I am not trying to be mean but it sounds like you don't really know what you are getting into.

Stop focusing on a number and instead get an idea on how you want the car to feel. Get some rides from cars local to you to see what you are really looking for. I have given rides to people in my cars and afterwards have them decide that it was simply too much and their target power dials back 100+whp. 400 whp in a relatively light car (compared to some of the muscle cars coming out) and AWD gets you moving FAST and is easy to put down.

If you aren't familiar with the different turbo options, I don't see how you could be familiar enough with the car or what will really make you happy in order to make a good decision.

These will be good starter threads:
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^^ This, all of it, if you want it to last.

I am not trying to be mean but it sounds like you don't really know what you are getting into.

Stop focusing on a number and instead get an idea on how you want the car to feel. Get some rides from cars local to you to see what you are really looking for. I have given rides to people in my cars and afterwards have them decide that it was simply too much and their target power dials back 100+whp. 400 whp in a relatively light car (compared to some of the muscle cars coming out) and AWD gets you moving FAST and is easy to put down.

If you aren't familiar with the different turbo options, I don't see how you could be familiar enough with the car or what will really make you happy in order to make a good decision.

These will be good starter threads:
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1141476
You have to start somewhere, thats why I'm on here to get info on stuff I'm not sure about. Your right I shouldn't focuse on a number instead focuse on what I'm wanting to do with the car..If you don't mine me asking what does your car put down?.. Just because I'm not familiar with turbo options shouldn't make me unfamiliar with the car. Like I said I'm little unsure on turbos
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You have to start somewhere, thats why I'm on here to get info on stuff I'm not sure about. Your right I shouldn't focuse on a number instead focuse on what I'm wanting to do with the car..If you don't mine me asking what does your car put down?.. Just because I'm not familiar with turbo options shouldn't make me unfamiliar with the car. Like I said I'm little unsure on turbos
There are eleventy bajillon threads on xx turbo setup, I suggest searching those threads for the info you seek. No one is being mean here, its just you must be the thousanth person to make a thread looking to 400whp on xx turbo.

Good luck man, if you cant find the info through searching, post up here or pm me and I'll gladly help you out to the best of my ability. But please do the community a favor and use the search button.


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You really need to start searching . You'll find answers quicker that way since there hundreds of threads similar to this. Plus your not tring to do anything new...what you want has been done for for about 10years and theres a bunch of threads with results showing how

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Just because I'm not familiar with turbo options shouldn't make me unfamiliar with the car.
usually those two would go hand and hand. Never met anyone that doesnt know turbo options for his car yet knew everything about the car. Well maybe a car salesman


EDIT: Didn't see Phil's post above mine saying the same..
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What is the purpose of discussion boards if you can't ask questions?..
This shouldn't be a discussion on me not know turbos, it should be a discussion on what turbos are out there and would help me it to my goal.. Instead of saying I'm unfamiliar with my car and there is already posts about this why not just say something that has to do with what I asked or not say anything at all?..
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What is the purpose of discussion boards if you can't ask questions?..
It's s technical forum for the gathering and accessibility to information on the subject. You can ask questions. However hundreds of thousands of questions on the same subject have been asked, discussed, answered, etc previously.

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Instead of saying I'm unfamiliar with my car and there is already posts about this why not just say something that has to do with what I asked or not say anything at all?..
Because there would be even more inconsiderate members asking for information because they are not willing to look for the information that is already available through the stickies, and using the search tool. Then there would be a thousands threads about the same thing taking up precious server space, making it difficult to find good, useful information for someone later. That is why.

go read the forum rules and etiquette.
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