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Old 01-30-2013, 09:34 AM   #26
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I do.t have any real use for the rear doors and find the two door body styles more visually appealing.
Why do COMPACT cars HAVE to be limited to miniwagons and churchmobiles?
There was/is plenty of fanfare for the RS...
Just cause yall got kids and golf clubs doesnt mean the rest of us should have to be driving four-doors.
Because they're econoboxes. They have cheap suspensions. They have cheap seats. They have cheap drivetrains. They are built to a price-point to meet practical needs.

If you have no practical needs, buy a real sportscar that has some R&D & materials money thrown into suspension and drivetrain and doesn't have the underlying structure of a miniwagon churchmobile.

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Old 01-30-2013, 09:37 AM   #27
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Euro spec kias must be completely different than here because my experience has been that they handle well and a quality interior that is way beyond Subarus. Oh and 55mpg in real life is pretty decent.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:48 PM   #28
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Damn it Kia stop making cars that look cool!
Although not my cup of tea (FWD), I assume it will be much cheaper than the GTi, so the comparison is a bit moot IMHO; may as well compare it the MS3 while they are at it.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:53 PM   #29
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Shiny turd is still a turd...
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:41 PM   #30
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A sport car for grandparents.Thats fast for them.

No seriously, if its that slow for a turbo setup, they may as well put an NA engine. Sell more to the masses.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:00 PM   #31
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Looks good, unfortunately won't have any chance against its competition with a horrible 0-60 time like that (I understand that 0-60 isn't everything, but 8 seconds is just horrible)
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:42 PM   #32
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Hypothetically,

let me throw this out there.

What if it does have a decent suspension, not great but decent, like the WRX. And Lets say it gets a bit better than advertised 0-60, say 7.5 seconds. Now lets say it gets 38 mpg and costs 22k

Now what would you think
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:50 PM   #33
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Hypothetically,

let me throw this out there.

What if it does have a decent suspension, not great but decent, like the WRX. And Lets say it gets a bit better than advertised 0-60, say 7.5 seconds. Now lets say it gets 38 mpg and costs 22k

Now what would you think
That would be a very attractive alternative to the GTI.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:18 PM   #34
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Kia/hyundai are doing a great job at making pretty cars but they are really far from engineering a performance car.
I own an mk6 GTI and this car is simply AMAZING, it handles 10X better than my 06 WRX it feels faster (I know its not) and it handles the same if not better than my 370z (and yes it feels a lot faster).

I'm all about sensations and the GTI feels better than any other car I've ever owned.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:18 PM   #35
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you got it integra.

It may not feel exactly like a GTI but for the options per dollar, the Koreans are tough to beat
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:10 PM   #36
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The problem with Kia/Hyundai is that they build cars to look great on paper and never seem to finish the job. The GTI is the complete opposite. On paper, it doesn't seem like much but the car is very coherent and just an all around great vehicle. K&H seem to say, "OK, we can advertise 274hp and 34mpg for the Sonata Turbo and it looks good. Well, our job is done." Then when it is actually tested, a ****ing 200hp hybrid Camry paces it while returning 30% better gas mileage.

If VW would spend the time/money/whatever to make a reliable car, I'd still have my MKV GTI. That was simply a fantastic car and I loved everything about it... other than something breaking every 3rd month.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:45 AM   #37
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1714 miles on the R and still going strong... HAHAHAHA

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Old 01-31-2013, 11:21 AM   #38
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Deleted - that was just in bad taste.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:52 AM   #39
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The thing with a vehicle like this is manufacturers tend to devalue the "Fun to Drive" factor. Several cars have proven that if a vehicle has that as well as being a good general vehicle it can do well. Cars that have proven that in the past include the Miata, the original GTI, or heck even the Fox Body Mustang. They were nowhere near the fastest or best handling, but they sure well fun the drive and the early adopters of those cars managed to pass that along to the masses. The thing is, making it fun and lively is usually an exercise in suspension tuning, not a high manufacturing cost.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:35 PM   #40
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The thing with a vehicle like this is manufacturers tend to devalue the "Fun to Drive" factor. Several cars have proven that if a vehicle has that as well as being a good general vehicle it can do well. Cars that have proven that in the past include the Miata, the original GTI, or heck even the Fox Body Mustang. They were nowhere near the fastest or best handling, but they sure well fun the drive and the early adopters of those cars managed to pass that along to the masses. The thing is, making it fun and lively is usually an exercise in suspension tuning, not a high manufacturing cost.
Agreed.

Another good example, the miata - slow to accelerate, arguably a "hairdressers" car, but you can wind the heck out of the engine all day long and it handles like its on rails; very fun car to drive.
Also having previously owned a Fox mustang, I can attest to the fun factor; it handled and braked like crap, but was fun to drive and could take a beating and mods without issue; none of this "easy or you'll blow your transmission" stuff; add a >$200 set of cogs for the rear end and it would accelerate like crazy while maintaing highway driveability, not to mention the myriad of available factory/aftermarket swap parts. Sorry I sorta went Ford blue there for a minute; VF39, DP, Tune, AP, Stage, ok I'm back.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:03 AM   #41
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Because they're econoboxes. They have cheap suspensions. They have cheap seats. They have cheap drivetrains. They are built to a price-point to meet practical needs.

If you have no practical needs, buy a real sportscar that has some R&D & materials money thrown into suspension and drivetrain and doesn't have the underlying structure of a miniwagon churchmobile.

So youre saying I should buy an expensive car just because I don't want all the extra doors?
What do cheap suspension and seats have to do with how many doors a car has?
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:50 AM   #42
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So youre saying I should buy an expensive car just because I don't want all the extra doors?
What do cheap suspension and seats have to do with how many doors a car has?
I'll field this one....

Believe it or not, the eco-box market is pretty hot right now (I don't get it either) MOST people are looking for four doors, great fuel economy, and low price; due to the competition in the market, this means manufacturers will attempt to save money wherever they car (seats, suspension etc.); this also means that the majority of ecoboxes will be manufactured with four doors ONLY to reduce production costs, therfore lowering their price and giving them an edge in the market.

I would love it if a manufacturer made an affordable 4dr muscle car with a V8 & stick shift, but it aint happening because the majority of people that buy RWD cars with V8's want coupes they can take out on sunny days in the summer and let sit in the garage all winter.

The quick and dirty answer is the market is polarized so you have no option but to pick from what the masses want, which happens to be eco-4drs, sporty 2drs or expensive luxury cars.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:43 AM   #43
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this name is a mistake. Pro-cee'd for a performance version?

it should be the Ex_cee'd!!!

maybe that will be the one above the pro-cee'd..

at least one would hope, they'll probably just call it the Pro_cee'd S

oh, and the next version of the car will be the Su_cee'd.

alright, I'm done.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:19 PM   #44
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:23 PM   #45
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Most likely not going to happen in the states.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:34 AM   #46
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I got a 2013 Rio SX special edition (manual trans, only 500 SX's made with them) Stupidly fun to drive, even though its slow. Point and shoot handling, seriously. Its about as close to that car as you can get, maybe they will bring a turbo version.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:44 PM   #47
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Koreans built great looking cars but performance no so. Maybe they need to setup a tuning division like STI,reliart,ect... That would complete their build.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:26 PM   #48
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Well Hyundai did get that building at the nurburgring. Maybe they'll put it to good use.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:19 PM   #49
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They have another 5-7 years before they are THERE.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:05 PM   #50
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That's really not that far away.
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