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Old 01-31-2013, 11:08 PM   #26
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I almost forgot the common question on NASIOC... when will they offer a diesel?


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Look at how much they rounded off the nose to try to hide the front overhang. This car is going to be a major hit in poorer urban neighborhoods in 2-3 years.
I don't understand. What does front overhang have to do with poor urban neighborhoods in 2-3 years?
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:13 PM   #27
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I disagree. I think what drive the car is important to a lot of people. People dont drive rear wheel drive cars in Alaska for a reason. People in my region are quite familiar with awd as its a huge plus in most peoples eyes.

And fwd is crap when you have a lot of power. Its called torque steer.
Tell that to chanomatik and tell him to give me his BRZ since he can't drive a RWD car in Alaska. It is against the rules.

Btw, I wouldn't call this a car with a lot of power to the front wheels and have to worry about torque steer.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:15 PM   #28
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It is one of the more interesting looking Mercs of late.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:19 PM   #29
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AMG could be pretty awesome then...

Wait... I mean... Looks like a tC... sharp knees... would not bang.... 2/10
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:07 AM   #30
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I don't understand. What does front overhang have to do with poor urban neighborhoods in 2-3 years?
People buying a used M-B because of the badge and a much cheaper FWD M-B.. It is a recipe for what I described.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:13 AM   #31
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People buying a used M-B because of the badge and a much cheaper FWD M-B.. It is a recipe for what I described.
What about the Escalade are they all sold out? Honestly when I drive through the ghettos I see very few Euro/German cars. More America (Caddys, Impalas, Buicks...etc.) with a few older Acuras and Lexus models thrown in. City in reference is Chicago and in particular the west side.

I think you are over reacting about nothing.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:54 AM   #32
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Rendering guess as to what a CLA shooting brake would look like... I kind of like it.

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Old 02-01-2013, 03:27 AM   #33
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FTFY.
Many people might buy low end MB for the badge, but the current low end MB, the C class, is IMO a way better car than just a badge hanger. The chassis is surprisingly sporty, although the steering and the drivetrain is a bit of a let down. It also looks quite nice inside and out.

The new A class is supposed to be a decent car, so maybe this thing will drive well as well. We'll see. Still not on board with the front overhang and the general cheap car proportions.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:52 AM   #34
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What about the Escalade are they all sold out? Honestly when I drive through the ghettos I see very few Euro/German cars. More America (Caddys, Impalas, Buicks...etc.) with a few older Acuras and Lexus models thrown in. City in reference is Chicago and in particular the west side.

I think you are over reacting about nothing.
I'm not even reacting.. I see a lot of M-Bs in that context here in the South. Sure, there are a lot of Escalades, GM cars and Chryslers.. but the majority of the used M-Bs I see are in those areas. I see new AMG stuff in the ritzy country clubs and resorts, sure... but I think there's a correlation between the successful decisions people make and the willingness to own an out-of-warranty M-B that ushers these cars to these neighborhoods around here.

I think the lack in Chicago might have something to do with the Detroit proximity. BMWs and M-Bs are built in the South.
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I'm not even reacting.. I see a lot of M-Bs in that context here in the South. Sure, there are a lot of Escalades, GM cars and Chryslers.. but the majority of the used M-Bs I see are in those areas. I see new AMG stuff in the ritzy country clubs and resorts, sure... but I think there's a correlation between the successful decisions people make and the willingness to own an out-of-warranty M-B that ushers these cars to these neighborhoods around here.

I think the lack in Chicago might have something to do with the Detroit proximity. BMWs and M-Bs are built in the South.
Aren't most of the Southern-built BMWs and M-Bs SUVs? BMW may have built some Z3s when Greer opened IIRC but I think it's all Xs now.

Re out-of-warranty M-Bs: I'm guessing much of that is owed to the steep dropoff in quality and rise in complexity of the product? There was a time when people bought W123s, W124s and W126s as lifetime cars and there are enough of those still on the roads to suggest that was the case. From the mid 1990s until just a couple of years ago C-, E- and S- quality took a nosedive; those are the cars you see ushered into those neighborhoods. Their US-built SUVs have never had a good reputation for quality. The current Cs and Es apparently have improved in quality but still too new to call for the long term.

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Many people might buy low end MB for the badge, but the current low end MB, the C class, is IMO a way better car than just a badge hanger. The chassis is surprisingly sporty, although the steering and the drivetrain is a bit of a let down. It also looks quite nice inside and out.
Between Christmas and New Year's I ended up with a C250 Sport as a rental (at an Altima rate, long story). I didn't like the turbo lag (much worse than my FXT) and the rear seat and trunk were tight but still carried four adults comfortably. I thought the steering was okay and the Sport steering wheel kind of nice; the brakes were very good and the car was generally pretty nimble. Over the week I saw on average 32-33 mpg highway/28 overall. A much nicer and better screwed together car than the cheap and nasty C230 two-door hatch a friend of mine had about 10 years ago, nice enough to make me wonder if it could be not just an aspirational car but an end in itself.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:18 AM   #36
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I don't like Mercs, but I like the look and details of this car...which I don't like.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:09 PM   #37
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Rendering guess as to what a CLA shooting brake would look like... I kind of like it.

More here: http://www.theophiluschin.com/?p=4728
Yeah that looks sharp. If only it would have been RWD. Oh well.
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It's so hard to find a RWD M-B these days..


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A class is as ugly as a Britney Spears/sea cucumber love child.

Any one ever actually see one in person? :shudders:
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I disagree. I think what drive the car is important to a lot of people. People dont drive rear wheel drive cars in Alaska for a reason. People in my region are quite familiar with awd as its a huge plus in most peoples eyes.

And fwd is crap when you have a lot of power. Its called torque steer.
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Rendering guess as to what a CLA shooting brake would look like... I kind of like it.

More here: http://www.theophiluschin.com/?p=4728
Nope, all I see is a wagon,

And my obligatory comment: A shooting brake is, AGAIN, the stupidest name for any style of body.
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Wow, lot of complaining. This is a pretty aggressive looking car that's will price out (hopefully) like a V6 Midsized sedan. It should be compared to fully loaded Accords, Camry, Passats, Etc. If it's not rediculously small inside and benefits from trickle down Mercede Luxury, it would make a nice alternative to a boring car. Not every new car needs to be a race car.
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Well put.
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I'll venture a guess that the driving dynamics will be closer to the B-Class than the C-Class. I know the B is sold in Canada as I've seen a few venture south here; do any Canadian members have experience driving the B?
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:44 PM   #45
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People buying a used M-B because of the badge and a much cheaper FWD M-B.. It is a recipe for what I described.
Who cares what people buy. Its no different to people buying for a badge and people wondering what other people do with their money.

Anyways, good looking Benz.
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Between Christmas and New Year's I ended up with a C250 Sport as a rental (at an Altima rate, long story). I didn't like the turbo lag (much worse than my FXT) and the rear seat and trunk were tight but still carried four adults comfortably. I thought the steering was okay and the Sport steering wheel kind of nice; the brakes were very good and the car was generally pretty nimble. Over the week I saw on average 32-33 mpg highway/28 overall. A much nicer and better screwed together car than the cheap and nasty C230 two-door hatch a friend of mine had about 10 years ago, nice enough to make me wonder if it could be not just an aspirational car but an end in itself.
The C is really a better car than it's given credit for. I think it's because the C class used to be pretty dreadful, but the current one is really a solidly engineered car. Otherwise, how could the C63 be so damn good?

And they are offering huge discount these days. My local dealer has no haggle price that is $7~8K off the MSRP. So you can get a well equipped C250 with nav, HK stereo, blind spot assist, keyless go, xenon, etc for $37K or so. That's still a lot of money for a small car, but if you have optioned out a midsize family sedan or a small cross-over these days, you'll know that it's not THAT much more than well equipped "normal" cars these days.

Which brings me back to the CLA. IF the discount ends up being as deep as the C or E (which has been running ~$10K very often), then you literally have a $25K Mercedes. If not, I don't see why anyone would get this over the C class.
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Which brings me back to the CLA. IF the discount ends up being as deep as the C or E (which has been running ~$10K very often), then you literally have a $25K Mercedes. If not, I don't see why anyone would get this over the C class.
Bingo. They're shooting themselves in the foot with this move IMHO. Bringing a bargain Mercedes will bring the lower end of the entitled buyer to the dealerships expecting the same level of service as if they had just bought a $60k Mercedes.

Not wise at all.

The only other thing I can think of for a reason that Mercedes is doing this is that this will help those that own McMansions get Buffy and Chet into their HS graduation presents at a cheaper price instead of buying them (and lower than a BMW or Audi).

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Bringing a bargain Mercedes will bring the lower end of the entitled buyer to the dealerships expecting the same level of service as if they had just bought a $60k Mercedes.
Why not?

Someone buying a base Impreza for $18k shouldn't expect the same level of service as if they had bought a $38-39k WRX STI or a loaded Tribeca?
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Nope, all I see is a wagon,

And my obligatory comment: A shooting brake is, AGAIN, the stupidest name for any style of body.
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Shooting-brake originated as an early 19th century British term[1] for a vehicle used to carry shooting parties[2] with their equipment and game. The term brake[3] was initially a chassis used to break-in horses—and was subsequently used to describe a motorized vehicle.
I don't think it's any stupider than the terms we more commonly use.. like 'sedan' and 'coupe'... and certainly less stupid than ambiguous terms like 'sport utility vehicle'.

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Who cares what people buy. Its no different to people buying for a badge and people wondering what other people do with their money.
I was simply making an observation. Why are you so rustled?

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Why not?

Someone buying a base Impreza for $18k shouldn't expect the same level of service as if they had bought a $38-39k WRX STI or a loaded Tribeca?
BMW gives $60k BMW-level service to people who buy $22k MINIs.
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BMW gives $60k BMW-level service to people who buy $22k MINIs.

Another good points for KC. Thanks.
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