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Old 01-31-2013, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default Is 10k enough to make wrx a beast

I know I know got my flame suit on lol

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Looking get power and reliablity from my 2011 wrx have some ideas like to see y'all's suggestions. Daily driven and just b nice have a freeway monster. I've searched and read build threads as well
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:39 PM   #2
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I think you're going to have to define what constitutes a "beast".



And after we do that...what's your situation? Age, employment, savings, etc.

$10k is a nice chunk of change to dump under the hood of a car that's only going to be worth that much 5 years from now.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:44 PM   #3
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I agree with Soapbox, what is a beast to you? 300whp? 400whp? maybe a beast to you is something that handles really well...
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:51 PM   #4
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I think you're going to have to define what constitutes a "beast".



And after we do that...what's your situation? Age, employment, savings, etc.

$10k is a nice chunk of change to dump under the hood of a car that's only going to be worth that much 5 years from now.
SoapBox has a good point. "Beast" is a VERY ambiguous term that will hold a different meaning for each of us... defining your goals for the car will help us help you more efficiently.

Do you want to keep this car long term? Or are you more of a short term kind of guy? It sounds to me that you've already got a nice DD/highway hero.

You could get a bigger TMIC and a larger fuel pump/injectors + retune for some extra ponies but I don't think it will add significantly more than what you already have. You could go bigger turbo, but you need to realize that from where you already are you're starting to talk about over 300 awhp/tq. You'll be moving into an area where a new/rebuilt engine and a new/rebuilt transmission are possibilities depending on your driving style and maintenance habits.

Is E85 an option for you? Is there anything you absolutely DON'T want to do? You said you're looking to get reliability... For that you should revert back to stock because anything you do to the car is very unlikely to make the car more reliable aside from a complacent stage 1 tune (even this could be argued due to warranty reasons but I'm not going there as you are already stage 2).

Help us build a better picture of your goals.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:04 PM   #5
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10k is a good budget and with the base mods you already have you should be able to build a very capable car!

Like others have said, what are you trying to get out of it? what are your expectations?

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:10 PM   #6
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Mainly like to get on it from 20 mph to 100 so couple runs from a roll and so on.
Hp goals at least 400
Reliablity meant like had in mind swapping for sti six speed or ppg gears in my five speed
Motor reliablity was goug with forged internals but not sure on what else so far as that
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:10 PM   #7
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E85 is a option here
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:12 PM   #8
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Beast to me is when i step on gas it pins me and my passenger to the seat and five evos run for their money lol
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:15 PM   #9
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Maybe you should talk to a tuner?

Also, do you by chance own a collection of flat bill hats?
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:18 PM   #10
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Maybe you should talk to a tuner?

Also, do you by chance own a collection of flat bill hats?
Already got great shop that is up here this just kinda get my ideas too. Love building cars and having a hand in it not just handing money over lol
And no y lol
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:20 PM   #11
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I didn't say you had to have the shop you went to build the car. I was simply saying maybe if you talk to a tuner and tell them your price point they could get you moving in the right direction.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:22 PM   #12
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I would look into a stock turbo E85 set up. It will have plenty of power and be faster than 95% of the cars on the road with acceptable reliability. + this will leave you with a good base if you decide to go to a larger turbo later on. You will have plenty left over for suspension/brake goodies if wanted

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:23 PM   #13
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Just wondering... how old are you?
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:24 PM   #14
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Also, do you by chance own a collection of flat bill hats?
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:26 PM   #15
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Sell the crap you have... all of it.


Wheels/Tires.
Struts/springs
Sway bars
end links
anti lift kit

Start there.

Then get some brembos or other brake upgrade.

Then...
Full turbo back
bigger injectors
upgraded TMIC
Bigger turbo.
A real tune



That should put you pretty close to your total and you'll have a car that looks better, stops better and goes just fine.

Hell do E85 and you'll be at 400whp easily and reliably. But to tell you the truth... anything over 300 is useless on a street car anyways.

If all you're looking at is to flex your muscles on the dyno... Have a motor built and put a big turbo set up on it.

Then in 2 months when you wreck it or blow it up you can part it out here like all the other people.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:27 PM   #16
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I would look into a stock turbo E85 set up. It will have plenty of power and be faster than 95% of the cars on the road with acceptable reliability. + this will leave you with a good base if you decide to go to a larger turbo later on. You will have plenty left over for suspension/brake goodies if wanted

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What about trans? That concern making power it can't handle. What is rating of ppg gearing? Thanks that does sound like good idea
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:28 PM   #17
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I didn't say you had to have the shop you went to build the car. I was simply saying maybe if you talk to a tuner and tell them your price point they could get you moving in the right direction.
Ok true and they are working on that my shop and tuner are all in one as well
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:29 PM   #18
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Just wondering... how old are you?
31 getting old but not that old
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:29 PM   #19
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PPG gears/6speed is needed, built shortblock is needed, search for a turbo that you like that meets your power goals. I would sit down with your shop and tell them your goals and talk money. Very few people on here will tell you what the capabilities on your car are without ever having first hand knowledge. Your shop will have first hand knowledge of what it will take to meet your goals.
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PPG gears/6speed is needed, built shortblock is needed, search for a turbo that you like that meets your power goals. I would sit down with your shop and tell them your goals and talk money. Very few people on here will tell you what the capabilities on your car are without ever having first hand knowledge. Your shop will have first hand knowledge of what it will take to meet your goals.
Yea def so ill def go with what they suggest just never hurts see other ideas is all thanks man
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Sell the crap you have... all of it.

Wheels/Tires.
Struts/springs
Sway bars
end links
anti lift kit

Start there.

Then get some brembos or other brake upgrade.

Then...
Full turbo back
bigger injectors
upgraded TMIC
Bigger turbo.
A real tune

That should put you pretty close to your total and you'll have a car that looks better, stops better and goes just fine.

Hell do E85 and you'll be at 400whp easily and reliably. But to tell you the truth... anything over 300 is useless on a street car anyways.

If all you're looking at is to flex your muscles on the dyno... Have a motor built and put a big turbo set up on it.

Then in 2 months when you wreck it or blow it up you can part it out here like all the other people.
Why is 300awhpn useless on street ? Plenty of subies have that power from what I've seen and no blown motor hopefully lol why doing my research but thanks for suggestions
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:33 PM   #22
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Guessin most my budget then will go to ppg gears new clutch and built short block ?
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:34 PM   #23
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Why is 300awhpn useless on street ? Plenty of subies have that power from what I've seen and no blown motor hopefully lol why doing my research but thanks for suggestions
Because you will never legally be able to use all that power on the street. You can have 1,000 hp but there will be nowhere to safely open that car up unless it is on a track.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:39 PM   #24
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True true but 400 big diffrence than a 1000 and may occasionally hit drag strip just not every weekend
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True true but 400 big diffrence than a 1000 and may occasionally hit drag strip just not every weekend
True, there is also a huge difference between a stage 2 WRX and 90% of the cars on the highway. Put it this way, you can legally open up your car on the on ramp and do a 20 to 70 mph pull. You are mashing the gas for what... 5-6 seconds then you are done.

Maybe find some twisties and open it up but stay at the 55 mph speed limit at best. You will just feel limited if you go with more power.

Give this thread a good read through to realize what you are wanting.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1393580

This sums up what I am trying to explain.

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You are doing 65mph on the highway in a stock STI, or even light mods. You want to pass someone. Most will pass at roughly 85mph to get around that person. So you give it X amount of throttle, you dont look at the speedo because you have done it a million times, and you accelerate to 85mph.
Now lets swap that out for a 400whp car.
You are doing 65mph, you apply the same amount of throttle to do it, you are VERY quickly doing 90mph, you feel how hard it pulls so you back off a bit, but its all relative and even though it doesnt feel like its pulling as hard, its still pulling harder than it was when stock/lightly modded. You are doing well over 100mph by the time you get around that car.
Now someone comes over into your lane forcing you to turn and go around them while braking HARD. This is a delicate move.

Or, you decide you want to do a hard long pull. The kind that we all love, that puts a big dumb grin on our faces from feeling the seat pushing into our backs. You would have previously made it up to maybe 100-110mph.
So you are in the same place, same stretch of road. You do it again. Now you are doing 140 where you would have been doing 100. Go ahead, hit a bump at 140mph, and see how it feels. What was a "whump" at 100mph can quite litterally throw a 140mph vehicle into the air.

Your STI is a high performance vehicle that can handle high speeds and save your butt from a lot of dumb moves, but its not magic. AWD and the yaw sensors and such can only do so much, they arent miracle workers.

And if not for your own safety, think about what happens if you are doing the kinds of speeds you will EASILY hit with this kind of power and you hit another vehicle.


You may say "yeah but I wont do that kind of thing" That is all well and good, but the reality is that the more power you have, the more often you will drive at higher speeds than you did at the lower power level. I dont care who you are, its an almost 100% chance.
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