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Old 01-31-2013, 07:09 PM   #51
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$10k is about what it took me to get my car to 391whp on a FP Green at 20psi

I payed $5700 PPG trans with PPG FLSD and 411 conversion
I payed $2300 for new Wilwood 6pot/4pot BBk
-Then you looking at
$1500-2000 for the turbo you need
$400-500 for new 1000cc injectors and fuel pump
$400-600 for fuel system and new rails
$1000+ for a custom UP-DP external WG setup
$1000+ for a custom FMIC and piping or just buy a kit for $500+

Slap all that on your WRX and and tune it till its maxed out, and drive it ( not like an idiot ) till it blows, cuz it will. If you toss in a Meth Kit for $500-1000 you will be very well into the 400whp range.

Meanwhile build a long block
$3000-5000 for complete bottom end
$2000-4000 for major head work






My biggest concern would be how long have you been driving and how many cars have you daily driven with over 300whp??
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:38 PM   #52
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Jam an LS engine in there. Make all the power you want, on the cheapest budget, with the most reliability.

If you are dead set on doing this, be prepared to buy a 2nd car. Reliability will be an issue at that power level and you will need something to get you around while your car is in the shop.

I made this mistake with my truck. I was jealous that all my friends had nice sporty cars while I was stuck with a heavy Tahoe. I spent a ton of money on it and ended up with around 550 hp, but that also came with single digit gas mileage and started to be a real headache for a daily driving..though it is fun to pull on M3's with a 3 ton pig..
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:22 PM   #53
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there are VERY FEW 'investments' in automobiles...and NO subaru...none that you will ever get your hands on...will ever be any sort of investment of any sort
Naw people telling me put money elsewhere and blah blah blah
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:22 PM   #54
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sti transmission swap, 20g, tbe, protune, intake, fmic, injectors, fuel pump, built block and lots of stickers
Liking that idea
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:23 PM   #55
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$10k is about what it took me to get my car to 391whp on a FP Green at 20psi

I payed $5700 PPG trans with PPG FLSD and 411 conversion
I payed $2300 for new Wilwood 6pot/4pot BBk
-Then you looking at
$1500-2000 for the turbo you need
$400-500 for new 1000cc injectors and fuel pump
$400-600 for fuel system and new rails
$1000+ for a custom UP-DP external WG setup
$1000+ for a custom FMIC and piping or just buy a kit for $500+

Slap all that on your WRX and and tune it till its maxed out, and drive it ( not like an idiot ) till it blows, cuz it will. If you toss in a Meth Kit for $500-1000 you will be very well into the 400whp range.

Meanwhile build a long block
$3000-5000 for complete bottom end
$2000-4000 for major head work

My biggest concern would be how long have you been driving and how many cars have you daily driven with over 300whp??
Def have my shop look into that And yea last three cars been anywhere from 310 to 359 hp and much higher trq
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:28 PM   #56
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$10k is about what it took me to get my car to 391whp on a FP Green at 20psi

I payed $5700 PPG trans with PPG FLSD and 411 conversion
I payed $2300 for new Wilwood 6pot/4pot BBk
-Then you looking at
$1500-2000 for the turbo you need
$400-500 for new 1000cc injectors and fuel pump
$400-600 for fuel system and new rails
$1000+ for a custom UP-DP external WG setup
$1000+ for a custom FMIC and piping or just buy a kit for $500+

Slap all that on your WRX and and tune it till its maxed out, and drive it ( not like an idiot ) till it blows, cuz it will. If you toss in a Meth Kit for $500-1000 you will be very well into the 400whp range.

Meanwhile build a long block
$3000-5000 for complete bottom end
$2000-4000 for major head work






My biggest concern would be how long have you been driving and how many cars have you daily driven with over 300whp??
This car would look 1000x better with regular headlights.

Also I agree with others that you will start running into headaches with big power.

Personally, my plans don't go much past stage 2+ so that I can maintain excellent reliability while still having some fun. Now once I start making some real $$ that might be another story, but it's likely that I'll just buy a car that comes with more hp in the first place and do basic mods. Or BRZ STI + supercharger
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:54 PM   #57
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I payed $5700 PPG trans with PPG FLSD and 411 conversion
I payed $2300 for new Wilwood 6pot/4pot BBk
You have all the glory but can't even spell properly. Paid*** not payed
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:15 PM   #58
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Sorry captain grammar! Spelling is not my forte.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:18 PM   #59
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This car would look 1000x better with regular headlights.

Also I agree with others that you will start running into headaches with big power.

Personally, my plans don't go much past stage 2+ so that I can maintain excellent reliability while still having some fun. Now once I start making some real $$ that might be another story, but it's likely that I'll just buy a car that comes with more hp in the first place and do basic mods. Or BRZ STI + supercharger

Sorry you can't appreciate rare and hard to find parts.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:19 PM   #60
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rally cars dont have that much power....do they? i though they were form the fly at 450hp?
A rally car is a whole different animal. It is really useless to look at it from a horsepower point of view. For ****s and gigs thought yeah a WRC car is intake restriction limited to 300 bhp. They also put down 450-500 ft-lbs and have turbos pushing 4-5 bar (60-70 psi).

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Old 01-31-2013, 09:25 PM   #61
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sti transmission swap, 20g, tbe, protune, intake, fmic, injectors, fuel pump, built block and lots of stickers
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Liking that idea
I think you should revisit thoughts of trying to find yourself an STi to begin with.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:29 PM   #62
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6 speed and a built short block will put you at like 7 grand give or take. 10g's just dosent go very far in a wrx.. lol.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:30 PM   #63
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6 speed and a built short block will put you at like 7 grand give or take. 10g's just dosent go very far in a wrx.. lol.
That would be fine cause that give me room to grow down road Pkis take out some issue with trans worries thanks
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:30 PM   #64
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I think you should revisit thoughts of trying to find yourself an STi to begin with.
That or a evo x lol
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:32 AM   #65
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I think you should revisit thoughts of trying to find yourself an STi to begin with.
I second this motion. Seems like a 2011 WRX + $10,000 USD would be enough money to look into an STI.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:39 AM   #66
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10k will get you 400 whp
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:54 AM   #67
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10k is no nearly enough $ for 400whp. you can do bolt ons for a lot less and be at 300whp pretty easy.

if you want 400 your gonna have to build the block and transmission. thats probably gonna be right around $10k right there, maybe more depending how much work you do.

Now, you still have to buy all the bolt ons, turbo, injectors, pump, exhaust etc... your looking at another couple thousand.

now with 400whp your suspension and brakes are a joke. there goes another couple thousand.

you want 400whp? try at least 20k and be prepared to fix your car all the time

its not worth it man. you dont know what your in for, and your not gonna like it when i describe it to you. i have more $ into the car in parts, than i paid for the car itself (literally) and i still dont have 400 whp. actually i have a non-running car so go figure.

if you want 400whp you picked the wrong car, go buy a mustang or vette



by the way that breakdown is VERY conservative. youd be making out pretty ****ing good with those prices. in all actuality that number is gonna be about 15-20% higher. Also you dont do the labor yourself so thats another chunk of change.

also PPG gears installed and a clutch, i just paid $5600 to andrewtech a year ago. the gears alone are 4k, that does not include install





This guy speaks the truth. It looks like we have similar set ups and I too can confirm what he is telling you.

Get a vf48, a big tmic,ewg, and a great tune! Leave it at that and enjoy the car. It will be a beast on the street and much more reliable then building it to 400whp.

Don't get me wrong I love my car, but I have spent well over $10,000 to get to the point my car is at, and honestly after going all out the car is not nearly as fun on the street as it was with a protuned stage 2 setup! Now on the track my car is a whole different animal..the power is just not usable on the street.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:10 AM   #68
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You'll be 10k into it and only have a built block, a 6 speed and that's about it. Hell, I put 10k into my '04 and she is still only built block/e85 stock turbo. Take it from somebody who's been down that road; don't do it. The car felt fast as hell right off the dyno. A few weeks later, I was wondering if it was even faster at all (this setup trapped 7mph higher than the pump gas setup). I let my friend drive and run through the gears, and my impression was 'damn, this thing is fast'. Different perspective, no steering wheel to hold on to. I have a stock location 30r sitting in my garage, and it can go in at my discretion. Only thing it would need is a tune.


Problem is, once I do that, it's going to be just like last time. Feels fast off the dyno, a month later it no longer feels that fast. At that point, I would do bigger injectors, better fuel pump, top feed conversion, stronger clutch, and a tune on corn. Do you get where I'm going with this?

Leave the car how it is, buy coilovers and take that 10k and pay it down on the car, or take it to the track. Talk to any car enthusiast who is honest with themselves, and they will tell you pretty much the same thing. I'm warning you, it's an addiction LOL.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:14 AM   #69
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I have $14k or there abouts in a car that only has ~330whp. $4k in gears/ diffs, etc on top of $5k for an engine build and turbo swap. That's with me doing the majority of the labor. And yes you have to be anal about a car built like this that you drive every day. And that doesn't even account for things like aggressive clutches that suck ass to drive in traffic, no turbo spool below 2k to make it even worse.

Just things to think about.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:55 AM   #70
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such great advice from multiple owners. hopefully you take the advice you asked for...
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:05 AM   #71
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Ive kinda been thinking along the same lines I could part out my built srt4 and go fp green or red on the wrx but Its expensive though. Its easier to have my cake and eat it too by keeping both cars. Ill put a cobb stage 2 plus supporting mods and leave the wrx alone.
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:55 AM   #72
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10k is no nearly enough $ for 400whp. you can do bolt ons for a lot less and be at 300whp pretty easy.

if you want 400 your gonna have to build the block and transmission. thats probably gonna be right around $10k right there, maybe more depending how much work you do.

Now, you still have to buy all the bolt ons, turbo, injectors, pump, exhaust etc... your looking at another couple thousand.

now with 400whp your suspension and brakes are a joke. there goes another couple thousand.

you want 400whp? try at least 20k and be prepared to fix your car all the time

its not worth it man. you dont know what your in for, and your not gonna like it when i describe it to you. i have more $ into the car in parts, than i paid for the car itself (literally) and i still dont have 400 whp. actually i have a non-running car so go figure.

if you want 400whp you picked the wrong car, go buy a mustang or vette



by the way that breakdown is VERY conservative. youd be making out pretty ****ing good with those prices. in all actuality that number is gonna be about 15-20% higher. Also you dont do the labor yourself so thats another chunk of change.

also PPG gears installed and a clutch, i just paid $5600 to andrewtech a year ago. the gears alone are 4k, that does not include install
This. 10k isn't nearly enough. If you want a interstate beast, buy a different car.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:27 AM   #73
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I have a 12 STI Sedan and roughly 15K has resulted in a complete sleeper daily driver that makes 580WHP on E85 and 420whp on California's finest 91. Built short block, Stock heads and fuel rails with TGV deletes, GTX3576 and many other mods to support the extra power.

To me its all about spending the money wisely and on the right parts! Too many people I feel take their cars to tuning shops without having done any research. If you are really looking to drop that kind of money first of all don't rush in to it... Take a decent amount of time to read up here on nasioc and other forums etc on what setups work for which purpose and try to use their experiences to help achieve the goals for your project.

You should read up on the cars weaknesses and what needs to be upgraded at which stage depending on final use (auto cross, drag, daily driver) and power goals.

Heck one of the biggest company's in socal quoted me 18K alone in parts and said it was unlikely I would make more than 500WHP...
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Eh a goodlookin bugeye, props
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:55 AM   #75
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if a shop does the work for you i dont think ten thousand is enough... Turbo plus supporting mods and a tune are going to be 5k with installation alone, then you will need a shortblock with better pistons and that will cost you after shortblock about 8k installed from a good tuner shop. Then you still have your stock wrx transmission. . .

I already talked with a tuner looking for a mild turbo upgrade something like dom 1.5 with supporting mods, and then a motor and those together were well over ten thousand together. Thats a lot of money. You might as well buy a used evo for that almost that lol
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