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Old 01-31-2013, 03:57 PM   #1
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Default What's Better for the Snow: A FWD Model with Winter Tires or an AWD Model with Regula

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It's a question asked by many automobile owners living in a number of regions around the world with harsh winters and lots of snow; would you be better off with a front-wheel drive (FWD) model fitted with winter tires that you can swap once the weather warms up, or an all-wheel drive (AWD) vehicle with regular rubber?
The difference in pricing between winter tires and the option of all-wheel drive on a FWD car varies among automakers and even individual models, though, you should keep in mind that a second set of tires can potentially extend the life of your standard wheels.

Britain's Autocar magazine sought to find an answer to the aforementioned question by comparing two otherwise identical, 110hp diesel-powered Skoda Yeti crossovers. We suspect that most of you will know the outcome, but the tests do reveal some interesting facts.
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:22 PM   #2
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This was rushed through when the UK got their big snow last week...

Still rather informative considering that, though.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:35 PM   #3
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How about AWD with winter tires....
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:37 PM   #4
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How about AWD with winter tires....
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:07 PM   #5
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My Saturn with (new) studded snow tires sucks compared to my wifes Forester with half worn all terrains.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:31 PM   #6
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Car weight and tire width are also a factor. I'd be interested to see a test between a typical behemoth SUV with A/S tires vs a 3000lb car with winter tires.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:45 PM   #7
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Winter tires are for safety in snow and ice. AWD is for not getting stuck in snow and ice.

If I had to choose, I would have no problem with FWD and snows.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:55 PM   #8
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Here in the US though most of the people driving around you are driving on FWD or RWD with all season tires. So when you stop faster they will rear end you. I'm more concerned with getting stuck.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:26 PM   #9
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what do they consider a "standard" tire, all seasons, or a summer tire?
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:54 PM   #10
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So, basically, you drag around extra drivetrain which kills fuel economy for marginally better acceleration. Not surprising at all.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:22 PM   #11
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Car weight and tire width are also a factor. I'd be interested to see a test between a typical behemoth SUV with A/S tires vs a 3000lb car with winter tires.
What type of SUV? I assure you that my 4Runner with locking transfer case and sophisticated traction and stability control is miles better than my 6MT MKV GTI was on snows. Low rolling resistance tire equipped FWD biased cute utes are likely terrible.

I do enjoy leaving my 4Runner in 2WD and pretending I'm some sort of obese American version of Initial D.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:14 PM   #12
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:34 PM   #13
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Here's an M3 with snow tires vs. a Forester XT with RE070s going up a hill

RWD and winter tyres VS 4WD and summer tyres on snow - YouTube
Well, duh! I won't even drive on dry roads in below freezing weather with the 070s...been there, did that. They feel like Matchbox car wheels (you know, hard plastic ). Put all seasons on that Foz and do it again.
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Put studded snows on that Foz and watch it sprint
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As long as the "regular" tires on the AWD car are all-seasons and not Summer tires, I would take the AWD+all-seasons all day.
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I don't understand the acceleration test comment "we are only going to 30 mph because if you go faster than that in conditions like this you need to be certified." What the hell does that mean? They are doing the test in a closed area. lol
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I don't understand the acceleration test comment "we are only going to 30 mph because if you go faster than that in conditions like this you need to be certified." What the hell does that mean? They are doing the test in a closed area. lol
It's England.. they aren't allowed to do anything remotely risky without getting forms from the government, signed in triplicate.


It probably has a lot more to do with having very little room to work with.
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It's England.. they aren't allowed to do anything remotely risky without getting forms from the government, signed in triplicate.
Yeah that figures. The government official was probably gone on holiday anyways.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:01 PM   #19
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A better comparison would be 3 vehicles, FWD w/snows, AWD w/snows, AWD w/o snows.

That would be much more informative. The average derp this video is aimed towards may have AWD w/snows and think they're better off all around than the FWD w/snows. Including AWD w/snows would show that yes it does accelerate better but there's no advantage to it in stopping.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:12 PM   #20
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So, basically, you drag around extra drivetrain which kills fuel economy for marginally better acceleration. Not surprising at all.
Marginally better acceleration? It's a lot more than marginal. The launches I could do in snow with my STI were at rates of acceleration which would have been impolite even on dry pavement.

AWD shines in any case where you're using the throttle, which includes many situations not strictly straight-line acceleration. I've clawed my way up hills diagonally (whoops, all season tires) while the FWD guy behind me got stuck.

The real problem IMO is that the superior traction under throttle may lull inexperienced drivers into thinking they can stop better too. Most people forget that all cars are all-wheel-stop already.
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It's England.. they aren't allowed to do anything remotely risky without getting forms from the government, signed in triplicate.


It probably has a lot more to do with having very little room to work with.
Just thinking about this again, contrast these guys test with the Top Gear blokes. Lol. Imagine what those guys would do.
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I don't understand the acceleration test comment "we are only going to 30 mph because if you go faster than that in conditions like this you need to be certified." What the hell does that mean? They are doing the test in a closed area. lol
I think he meant the average driver on public roads shouldn't be going faster then 30 in the snow.
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By certified I think he is referring to "certifiably insane". I've heard "certified" used that way before, but yeah, it made me think on first read you need a snow license or something.
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I think he meant the average driver on public roads shouldn't be going faster then 30 in the snow.
Naaaaw, now you are just making things up.


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By certified I think he is referring to "certifiably insane". I've heard "certified" used that way before, but yeah, it made me think on first read you need a snow license or something.

Could very well be. Maybe one of those Britishisms.
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awd with winter tires
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