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Old 02-01-2013, 10:41 PM   #1
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well, I just spent about an hour signing up for my 1st autocross. Usually I'm quick to figure things out, but tons of searches and reading the SCCA rules left me flummoxed.

What class am I in?

I'm obviously a novice, but I'm driving a 2001 GC 2.5RS Impreza with the following

anti lift kit
roll center correctors
front camber plates
JDM aluminum control arms
JDM STI pillow ball rear lateral links
front and rear strut tower bars
AGX shocks with ground control coil sleeves
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2005 STI steering rack
light weight front and rear bumper beams
12lb battery
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I know my mods put me into a class where I won't be competitive, and while I'm just looking for seat time, I don't want to put myself in a class where I don't belong. Thanks for the help in advance.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:53 PM   #2
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The anti lift kit would put you in XP but I would just run street modified because XP cars are silly fast and no one would care if you ran SM at the local level. Most "stage 2" STis and wrxes end up in SM so you will be among your peers to an extent.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:31 PM   #3
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That was my confusion. Is it just the Antil lift kit that puts me in XP or or do the camber plates and/or the roll center kit (extended ball joints) also count as moving the suspension attachment points?

I think I could live without the ALK, but taking off the roll center kit is a non starter.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:02 PM   #4
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Car is XP legal. Possibly FP, but not 100% sure. Not SM legal.
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:38 PM   #5
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I say don't worry about taking anything off and just run SM.

As far as I know it's the only thing keeping you out of SM. I'm not sure on all of the swapped parts.
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:43 PM   #6
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F Prepared if you are still on the NA block. If you swapped the car the you would be in XP. Don't worry about your class and just try to learn what's going on during the day. Grab an instructor or sit in as passenger if you can.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:55 AM   #7
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you are worrying about needless stuff.

1--you will 100% not win your 1st AX, so what difference does classing make.

2--you will 100% not win your 1st AX, so what difference does classing make.

3--you will 100% not win your 1st AX, so what difference does classing make.

things you should worry about:

--walk course w/experienced drivers who can show you proper line.
--tire pressures: get advice on the spot.
--ride along with experienced drivers who can show you the line, shift points, etc.
--do NOt look @ the cones, look where you want to go. this sounds elementary, but it's the biggest novice mistake.

when the starter says 3-2-1-GO, just relax and drive. you ain't gonna win, so might as well have fun!
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:12 AM   #8
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It's not just a question of who wins, it's about being fair to everyone. Just run the class you're legal for and, if there's any doubt, run the higher class until you get it sorted out. Sounds like FP is the consensus.

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Old 02-04-2013, 01:37 PM   #9
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Don't worry, if you are in the wrong class, someone at the event will let you know. And they will be friendly about it. Everyone is there to help. Just get out to the event and have fun.
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:27 PM   #10
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you are worrying about needless stuff.

1--you will 100% not win your 1st AX, so what difference does classing make.

2--you will 100% not win your 1st AX, so what difference does classing make.

3--you will 100% not win your 1st AX, so what difference does classing make.

things you should worry about:

--walk course w/experienced drivers who can show you proper line.
--tire pressures: get advice on the spot.
--ride along with experienced drivers who can show you the line, shift points, etc.
--do NOt look @ the cones, look where you want to go. this sounds elementary, but it's the biggest novice mistake.

when the starter says 3-2-1-GO, just relax and drive. you ain't gonna win, so might as well have fun!
This. Just spend the next 5-6 events learning first, then go from there. Car is XP, though you can ask your region if they have a novice class, since some regions do.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:29 AM   #11
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Don't worry, if you are in the wrong class, someone at the event will let you know. And they will be friendly about it. Everyone is there to help. Just get out to the event and have fun.
Others won't know if he's in class or not unless they are familiar with the car, asking questions, etc. That won't happen at a local event most likely.

Run in XP or FP until you read the rules to be sure you're in compliance for another class. If you take away someone's trophy or points because you're running in a lower class than you should, then that's not cool. You may not think you'll be competitive in SM (and you won't), but that's no reason to compete there despite the rules.

Show up. Drive. Have fun. I promise; the class won't matter.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:31 AM   #12
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Others won't know if he's in class or not unless they are familiar with the car, asking questions, etc. That won't happen at a local event most likely.
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If he showed up to my event with an XP car but was in SM...no one would care. In fact, he could run in DS and people probably still wouldn't care.

We have a very relaxed region.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:43 AM   #13
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If he showed up to my event with an XP car but was in SM...no one would care. In fact, he could run in DS and people probably still wouldn't care.

We have a very relaxed region.
When I'm new to a club, I'm more careful about stepping on others' toes. There's no harm in running the right, or a higher, class. There's potential harm to others in running a lower class. It puts others in an awkward place if they want to ask him to reclass. It also could put a strain on the registration folks if they have to reclass or disqualify his runs. Basically, no harm ever in running too high a class, especially when you're new and/or just having fun. The only possible changes that come with running too low are negative, so why bother risking it?
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:47 AM   #14
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The point of local events is to get people to try it. Worrying about classes shouldn't be a concern for someone's first event. The only concerns should be safety and fun. I'm pretty sure someone at their first event isn't going to snatch a trophy from anyone who deserves it.

So, what I'm saying is, don't worry and just drive. The region should have a least one person there that will help and answer questions.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:50 AM   #15
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Run in AS. Have your fun and not worry about messing anyone up. Nobody will protest you.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:00 PM   #16
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As the guys have stated above, just go out and "learn" your car. I run in SM with my '92 Legacy Sport. At the beginning of the season I purchased Hankook R-S3 tires which drastically changed my car's handling & steering response from the old worn out street tires which took me almost two full events to relearn my car's driving characteristics. Then around mid season I found I had two broken worn out "lowering springs" (top full coil wrap snapped clean on both fronts) and installed new Eibach Pro coils causing me to relearn my once again.

I also assist with registration at our events and unless you are a seasoned veteran with tons of time behind the wheel, no one is going to throw a fit if you are in the wrong class. Everyone is there to compete, but at the same time everyone is there to help each other out since we all race for the love of it.

Moral is, just take the season and have fun with how your car is set up regardless of class.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:30 PM   #17
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Don't worry about what class you are in. My first, and second, and third...etc. times were a blast. If there is one for sure thing it is you will enjoy every second of it!
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:39 PM   #18
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I remember my very first time out on course. It was only in the neighborhood of 45 seconds long and when I came to a stop I had the biggest ear to ear grin on my face and my hands were shaking. Those who only watch don't understand the exhilaration and how you feel like you're going way faster than you actually are.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:44 PM   #19
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When I'm new to a club, I'm more careful about stepping on others' toes. There's no harm in running the right, or a higher, class. There's potential harm to others in running a lower class. It puts others in an awkward place if they want to ask him to reclass. It also could put a strain on the registration folks if they have to reclass or disqualify his runs. Basically, no harm ever in running too high a class, especially when you're new and/or just having fun. The only possible changes that come with running too low are negative, so why bother risking it?
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+1. You have people saying class doesn't matter, just go have fun and then tell him to run in the wrong class. Run FP or XP as suggested..........and have just as much fun in the right class.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:10 PM   #20
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No one ever told him to run in the wrong class. We were all just saying run.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:25 PM   #21
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No one ever told him to run in the wrong class. We were all just saying run.
Jack ffr1846 did actually. Frankly, everyone's _right_ here. It won't matter what class you pick, but I work morning registration for our region, and our events can be pretty big. I really appreciate when new folks ask questions first in online forums like this rather than show up and let the core workers sort out the details for them. Suba_roo - thanks for that.

Suba_roo - you will have a blast if you come. I hope this reception hasn't scared you away. It's really hard to imagine how little the class matters until you come and race, so don't be scared of the fact that you're in FP, and don't let that deter you from trying.

You may be gunning for a novice class program win, running for a regional class championship, or going to National Tour/Match/Challenge/whatever events eventually. At that time, you can consider the value of different modifications and see if you're willing to downgrade your car to be more competitive in a lower class, or upgrade to be more competitive in FP. I promise that won't matter in your first year (or two or three or eight if you're like me). Sometimes, that's the hardest thing for people with heavily modified cars to accept, but I promise you won't regret it if you get past that.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:03 AM   #22
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if there's an option for it, and it's your first time/season, sign up for the novice class.
If it's unclear at time of registration, take your best stab based on the advice here, and tell the registration people it's your first time. They all had first times too, and may be able to make suggestions, review your entry info, and line up instructors or ride alongs.

Anything your local club offers for novices, take full advantage of it.
Up in MN, we try to allot extra time to the novice classes, make sure more instructors are working that heat, and offer an instructed course walk where the instructor will point out things to look for.
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:38 PM   #23
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So the event was on Sunday. I had a really great time. We lucked out on weather, warm and sunny.

Our region has a novice class and I ran Novice XP. With runs of 47.346, 47.499 and 49.274(1) I ended up in 16th out of 30 novices. If I'd run SM I would have moved up to 11th. Raw I had the 2nd fastest novice lap behind a guy in an 08 LSF (who smoked me by 2 seconds).

Videos of runs -
http://youtu.be/VdPR-Z6xZSg


The big question for me still revolves around the anti-lift kit and the Roll-Center Adjusters (extended ball joints). Do either (both) of those put me in XP, or if I remove the ALK and keep the extended ball joints does that bump me down some classes?
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:42 PM   #24
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I think the bumper beams automatically take you out of SM.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:17 PM   #25
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Congrats on your first time out!!
BTW, what's your feeling on the G/C coilover sleeves on the AGX struts?

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