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Old 02-06-2013, 07:58 AM   #26
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You'd be a fool to purchase the Cobb AP from your dealer and having them install it (who cares if it's in writing). This way you VIN goes into the system as having had an aftermarket tune installed...total fail.

Buy the Cobb AP on your own (for a cheaper price too), install it on your own, and don't forget to unmarry it from your car about a week before taking it to the dealership for warranty work.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:09 AM   #27
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Buy the Cobb AP on your own (for a cheaper price too), install it on your own, and don't forget to unmarry it from your car about a week before taking it to the dealership for warranty work.
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I'd say go for it, if something happens just flash it back to stock... Don't buy it from the dealer tho, the less they know the better. My friend had a cobalt ss that we made stage 3 and sprayed nitrous, needless to say it blew the oil rings 2 times, just threw the motor back to stock and the dealer was non the wiser...
Let's all just commit fraud and not stand up for our mistakes,SOA should.

Did mommy buy your car?
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:38 AM   #28
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but as soon as I mod the engine/exhaust ie DP, stage 2, the warranty goes bye bye...
Thats not how warranties work, BTW.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:39 AM   #29
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Let's all just commit fraud and not stand up for our mistakes,SOA should.

Did mommy buy your car?
Nobody wants to be responsible for their own actions anymore.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:48 AM   #30
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^you are no better than this dbag
Waaaaaa...go cry to Mommy.

I didn't pay big bucks for a car so it can break a ringland on the stock crappy tune. In my mind it's Subaru's problem...not mine.

Now if I were beating on my car daily, tracking it, or I go to Stage 2, I'd say you have a point...but since my STI will strickly be a babied daily driver, people like you can go pound sand for all I care.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:49 AM   #31
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If you break a ringland on Subaru's stock crappy tune, you are correct, that is Subaru's problem.

If you break your motor on someone else's tune, how is that Subaru's problem?

Responsibility. What is it?
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:54 AM   #32
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Screw Cobb. Go with a Vishnu tune.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:56 AM   #33
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Vishnu still exists?
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #34
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If you break a ringland on Subaru's stock crappy tune, you are correct, that is Subaru's problem.

If you break your motor on someone else's tune, how is that Subaru's problem?

Responsibility. What is it?
Are you saying Cobb's Stage 1 tune is unsafe...or more unsafe than the crappy stock tune? Haven't some 100% stock STIs broken their ringlands? So I'm just suposed to play Russian roulette with the stock $h!t tune?

If you don't have a better alternative, why don't you just shut up...

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Old 02-06-2013, 10:59 AM   #35
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I never said Cobb's tune was unsafe.

Im questioning your logic of reverting the ECU back to the OEM tune.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:00 AM   #36
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No, but this thread was turning into the usual "Subaru should fix my car under warranty whether I've flashed it to stage 19 or not" so I trolled it.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:05 AM   #37
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I never said Cobb's tune was unsafe.

Im questioning your logic of reverting the ECU back to the OEM tune.
So Subaru can come up with a reason for denying any type of warranty work? Damn straight.

If my ringlands break, it won't be because of the better Stage 1 tune I would be running...or abuse on my part.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:12 AM   #38
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No, but this thread was turning into the usual "Subaru should fix my car under warranty whether I've flashed it to stage 19 or not" so I trolled it.

Stage 19...ftw-


In all honesty any Dealership regardless of it being SUBARU or not will try to rip you off in anyway they can. From oil changes to changing your tail light.

If you are planning on getting the AP from the dealership, Have them wright their signature on the receipt of the AP and a note. Scan it on the PC and save it. (per previous request 20 posts ago)

In all honesty COBB stage 1 is NOT going to blow your engine. Hundreds of thousands of other Subaru enthusiasts have used it, And it will continue to be used by hundreds of thousands. (including me for 30k with 0 issues and driving it HARD)

The catchy part is, IF you ever do have engine failure while under warranty SUBARU will fight till their face turns red. Nobody wants to swap a long block and give away $8,000 worth of work.
SOA will step in and attempt to explain that you did modify your car regardless of what joe smoe signed on your receipt...
At this point, You go to court and get what is rightfully YOURS... Which... You still may not get because Joe Smoe may have been a parking lot attendant who cleans cars and had no idea


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Old 02-06-2013, 11:13 AM   #39
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Justify your fraud however you like, its still fraud.

The warranty is for a stock car, as Subaru delivered it.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:15 AM   #40
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So Subaru can come up with a reason for denying any type of warranty work? Damn straight.

If my ringlands break, it won't be because of the better Stage 1 tune I would be running...or abuse on my part.
How do you know? Subaru built the car, warrantied their work, then someone goes and screws with it by putting a "better" tune on it, and it broke, I say they have every right to question the reason it broke. You arent putting a tune on the car that makes less power and puts less stress on the components right? Just the opposite.

How about leave the car that is under warranty alone and go buy a used car with no warranty to play with?
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If you revert your ECU back to stock and take it in for warranty claim, they will be able to tell. Advising people to do so is warranty fraud, and not allowed on this forum. This is the reason why Subaru honors less and less warranty claims every year.
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If you revert your ECU back to stock and take it in for warranty claim, they will be able to tell. Advising people to do so is warranty fraud, and not allowed on this forum. This is the reason why Subaru honors less and less warranty claims every year.
And notice Hinshaw said Subaru, as in SOA, here in the states. SOA holds and will honor/deny waranty claims, not a dealership. Your dealership can say what it wants and promise the world. SOA has final say.
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This is true, SOA holds final word. The dealership part is how good, or bad the warranty writer is with the paper work and the dealers own stance on modifications.

Many dealers have been known to sell Cobb AP's, or a wide variety of parts that CAN lead to a denial of claim. It's the end users judgement whether or not to install/run said parts and how they feel about the possibility of having a warranty or not. The dealer is a business and wants to make money, that's the final product.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:46 AM   #45
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How do you know? Subaru built the car, warrantied their work, then someone goes and screws with it by putting a "better" tune on it, and it broke, I say they have every right to question the reason it broke. You arent putting a tune on the car that makes less power and puts less stress on the components right? Just the opposite.

How about leave the car that is under warranty alone and go buy a used car with no warranty to play with?
Or how about this...

If I break a ringland on a safer (less lean) Stage 1 tune (Cobb) widely accepted by many Subaru enthusiasts for years on a advertised performance/tuner car, I then get rid of the car and never buy a Subaru again?

Shame on Subaru for not going with forged pistons...like the Evo X.

I find it funny how there doesn't seem to be more people pissed off at Subaru for not addressing this issue of broken ringlangs more aggressively, but there's still plenty of leg humpers here ready to defend Subaru no matter what.

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Sounds like you shouldve gotten an EvoX then.
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Or how about this...

If I break a ringland on a safer (less lean) Stage 1 tune (Cobb) widely accepted by many Subaru enthusiasts for years on a advertised performance/tuner car, I then get rid of the car and never buy a Subaru again?

Shame on Subaru for not going with forged pistons...like the Evo X.

I find it funny how there doesn't seem to be more people pissed off at Subaru for not addressing this issue of broken ringlangs more aggressively, but there's still pleanty of leg humpers ready to defend Subaru no matter what.
It doesn't matter how Subaru drivers/owners/enthusiasts classify the car. If you have issues and don't want another Subaru, don't buy one.

Also remember that NASIOC/Similar web forums only account for 4-5% of owners, if that. And at that, not all of them are active, or make threads/posts about any and all issues. Is the ringland issue inflated on this website? Yes. Is it a problem for Subaru? A minor one maybe, but not near as bad as what this website would make it seem.

If you don't like your car, sell it and move on. No need to start a piss war about it.
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Sounds like you shouldve gotten an EvoX then.
Maybe you're right. I had a 2008 GSR Evo X, loved it, but lost interest in keeping it when the rumors of Mitsubishi dropping the Evo as we know it started coming out.

The 4B11T motor and tranny in the GSR was good for like 200+ whp over stock dependably...now that's how a company should design their powertrains on an advertised performance/tuner car...over-design!
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So then why the hell did you buy a Subaru?
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:06 PM   #50
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If you don't like your car, sell it and move on. No need to start a piss war about it.
Not trying to start a war with anyone over this...but the Subaru leg humpers are trying to start something with me.

I like my STI a lot...I'm just a concerned owner, that's all.
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