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Old 02-06-2013, 08:29 PM   #26
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i dont see why this thread is still going, your shop is bending you over... me and few others gave you advice but i dont think you're listening
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:10 PM   #27
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Well i think i did good aside for pricing but oh well. I got dw 740 injectors, grimspeed ebcs, 18gxt, only thing i didnt upgrade was tgv and intercooler but i hope to get big tmi before my dyno tune. If not, my stock tmi has to do

Im going for 15 to 16 psi tune

Am i good?
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:28 PM   #28
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Why would he need to replace the stock sti intercooler? That should be fine on an 18g setup. Go through the proven power bragging rights section. Plenty of Dom3, FP Green, 20G's, etc... Running the STI Intercooler.

Injectors are a must though on the bigger turbo for sure. 740's should be fine on the 18G.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:56 PM   #29
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OP u should have check in with Dom from maxwell power ..they are like 5 hours away from u and a phone call to dom could have saved you thousands cuz Dom only recommend the parts u really need...but I kinda understand why u want a new motor so badly over having a shop to rebuild ur motor ..sometimes u need to pay to learn...research and research
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:11 PM   #30
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Well i think i did good aside for pricing but oh well. I got dw 740 injectors, grimspeed ebcs, 18gxt, only thing i didnt upgrade was tgv and intercooler but i hope to get big tmi before my dyno tune. If not, my stock tmi has to do

Im going for 15 to 16 psi tune

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Good luck. I'm worried your frankenstein'd motor will be toast shortly. You need to break it in properly before the tune.
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:36 PM   #31
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franken motor huh... how is that? should I have bought cobb pistons lol


anyway, I also got perrin inlet tube. The stock intercooler should be fine for stock boost with an 18G...from what I hear. I got a lot of parts recently...its solid now. aside from the TMI I am not sure what I could do different

As far as how much I spent...why do you care? I have a spare motor now and that is pretty damn kewl. Its not in bad shape either. So I have a decent platform to build my 2nd motor from. I learned a lot this time around and plan to do full bottom/top rebuild with quality parts all around. I got a quote for 4300 for race rebuild from a shop out of camas wa.

Anyway, for now I should be golden. Brand new oem motor with JE pistons, new turbo and all the fixens. Once I get the perrin tmi I will have everything I wanted but those special head gasket spacers but oh well. I would have liked to go top feed too but couldnt afford it here at the end of the build so side feed 740's got to work. Ive seen people run more power than me on sidefeed so I think thats ok. I will be happy if I get 290hp to the wheels if it means running for 100K+ miles
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:38 PM   #32
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how important is a turbo timer for a setup like mine? Got to have one? Im leaning towards getting one since they are so cheap but I never had one before so not sure how they even work reeally
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:44 PM   #33
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build:

06 OEM replacement long block from subaru
JE Pistons (stock spec) Forged
DW 740cc injectors
Blouch 18G-XT Turbo
Perrin Turbo Inlet Tube
Cobb SF Intake +box
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Michimoto & Samco red hoses through out
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ARP Headstuds
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Stainless Braided lines
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Stock TVG
Stock TMI

so this setup is prone to just blow up on stock boost ? I dont get it... You dont trust cobb surgeline tuning abilities?
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:49 PM   #34
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Hey OP, I think that set up looks good. No need for a turbo timer so save your money there. You CAN run a stock TMIC and injectors on an 18G. I did it for a couple of years but upgraded after I wanted some more power. Not to say it didn't have power before or wasn't fun.
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06 OEM replacement long block from subaru
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Blouch 18G-XT Turbo
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Cobb SF Intake +box
Cobb Post Maf Tube
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Grimspeed 3 port EBCS
Michimoto & Samco red hoses through out
KillerB Oil Pan
KillerB Oil Sump
ARP Headstuds
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Stainless Braided lines
Stock Up Pipe
Stock TVG
Stock TMI

so this setup is prone to just blow up on stock boost ? I dont get it... You dont trust cobb surgeline tuning abilities?
You have a very nice list of parts. Just make sure you don't cut corners on the execution.
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:42 PM   #36
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yes sir. Thank You both

I just got a perrin Turbo heat wrap to help prevent heat soak. Also, The up-pipe and down-pipe have been wrapped with hi-qual header wrap. This should help...

Like I said, I ended up getting DW 740cc sidefeed injectors because Cobb Surgeline told me they wouldnt tune my car unless I got them. They wont do 18G tune on stock injectors but they will allow the stock tmi. They tried to sell me the ID 1000 top feed kit but the price was steep for the build I think. Stock boost on 1000cc seems excessive. I think 740 will provide the flow I need right? Sidefeed really that bad? CobbSurgeline told me that DW are known to fail but I havent read that anywhere else. I have read over 1000cc DW have failed but not so much under 1000cc so I went for it.

Trust me, I am going to get a Perrin TMI or simular grade... I want a really nice top mount instead of buying a cheap one today that isn't much better than stock. I just can't do it before my tune unfortunately. Maybe I can. I have to see what I got to work with. Budget is getting tight with all these new parts I didnt expect to buy.
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:48 PM   #38
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oh ya, gates kevlar timing belt, new oem radiator, new oem oil cooler, I already have the cobb sf intake and box, borla cbe, invidia catted dp, cobb AP, walbro fuel pump, new oem water pump, and few other things I am forgetting. New exedy stg1 clutch. umm... I had a custom Flossy Shifter made with my name etched in it instead of the word flossy... its a black shorty for 6spd STi.

So ditch the turbo timer idea?

How about any special instructions regarding the use of Forged pistons in an STi motor?

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To help prevent heat soak I got the Perrin Turbo Blanket, wrapped the up-pipe and down-pipes in header wrap. That should help.... Until I can get the Perrin TMI at least.
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oh ya, gates kevlar timing belt, new oem radiator, new oem oil cooler, I already have the cobb sf intake and box, borla cbe, invidia catted dp, cobb AP, walbro fuel pump, new oem water pump, and few other things I am forgetting. New exedy stg1 clutch. umm... I had a custom Flossy Shifter made with my name etched in it instead of the word flossy... its a black shorty for 6spd STi.

So ditch the turbo timer idea?

How about any special instructions regarding the use of Forged pistons in an STi motor?
Ditch the turbo timer. There are threads on how to treat forged pistons. For me, I let the car warm up before I drive it. If I'm in a hurry ill wait for the temp needle to start moving then go.

You have a pretty nice build. May not last as long as stock but should be more fun to drive. Since you've graduated, so to speak, it's time you start hanging out in the built motor section and reading as much as you can. Oh, and search!

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Old 03-21-2013, 07:11 AM   #41
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hey man. can you tell me why it wont last as long as a stock motor? I just dont get that...

Because I will be running a brand new stock motor with just a better turbo and pistons but running stock boost. pretty much every single known failure has been addressed with the exception of the composite head spacer and splitting the case to do the bottom end but that is why I am only doing stock boost or very close too.

I understand more boost means less life but stock boost on my motor vs stock boost on a full oem motor. I thought mine would last longer if not twice as long or more. I dont get why it wouldnt. The tolerances on a full built motor with race pistons is different deal than a weak little stage 3 setup like mine right>? 18G is like a stock turbo basicaly. It will be with stock boost pushed through it. I'm getting process west TMI so it will be more reliable setup. Should have it in 2-3days

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Old 03-21-2013, 09:20 AM   #42
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got a wild hair and bought the Perrin Engine Dress-up stuff beause I figure I will be showing the motor off now :P I think I am going to order the gas struts for the hood too. Anyone run those?

I got Red Radiator Cover with Black Radiator Stays and Red Alternator Cover. All Perrin brand. I wish I would of got the red post maf hose but oh-well. I think I got a process west top mount lined up this weekend after I sell some unused motor parts from the previous motor.. Like the turbo, heads, or sumn
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:24 AM   #43
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this is the hood gas struts I just got. Should be convenient...

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You seem like a nice guy. It sucks that you're mostly discounting the solid advice you've received above, and still trusting the engine builder who has mislead you.

There were much better choices you could have made than the path you chose - but there's no point in people continuing to tell you where you screwed up and why.

Hopefully you get many years of reliable performance.
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Once you start with the modding like this, you don't stop. Welcome to the money pit
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yes sir. Thank You both
Trust me, I am going to get a Perrin TMI or simular grade... I want a really nice top mount instead of buying a cheap one today that isn't much better than stock. I just can't do it before my tune unfortunately. Maybe I can. I have to see what I got to work with. Budget is getting tight with all these new parts I didnt expect to buy.
Hmmm. I guess where are your priorities? You're going to have to spend additional money to retune after you upgrade the TMIC. Why not save that money and use it towards the TMIC? But then you go and get hood struts, and engine dress up stuff?

You're obviously free to spend your money how you want but you're not making much sense.
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God some of you are the biggest tools ever man. DID YOU LOOK AT POST #41? Most of you are awesome and I appreciate the feedback dont get me wrong. But the guys that are all up in my financial decisions are lame. You think I would get those parts if I didnt have a tmi lined up? Im pretty sure I mentioned above several times I got a line on one this weekend or BEFORE my tune happens. I am getting an process west or whatever it is...900$'ish and its best tmi I can find. Cant wait! Hatin mfrs

And I didnt discount anything anyone said bud. I had already bought the motor before I made this thread and all I wanted to know is what to expect for power and advice on more parts to buy. I never asked for critique on stuff I already paid for did I? I didnt ask for anyone's input on my financial decisions ... I have a pretty decent spare motor that I can build and I have a brand spanking new motor in my car...is that a bad thing? Are you jelous you dont have a new motor and a spare motor to build like I do? I dont get it... Why wouldn't someone want a brand new motor if they can get one? I didnt buy a race motor from crawford because the loose tolerances of a full on motor like that usually means a lot less engine life. Racers consider their motors disposable..Im sure of it. So I like my oem decision.

Sorry but it is lame that I have to even explain all this. Nobody can just be happy for another Subaru guy. You have to rain on their parade? Makes a person wonder why you feel like you have to do that. I tried to ignore it, but I just want to be clear I have not discounted any valuable advice that was given. I didn't even read the story posted about what I 'could' of done and 'should' of done because I am already COMMITTED! Duh!

you guys have not seen my old motor condition either so how can you say what I could of salvaged from it? The entire motor was full of water at one point and ran with some in there for a while...amongst other issues...I just wanted a brand new engine. No I didn't have my oem motor case split to put pistons in lol... its still a Subaru assembled motor, it should last on stock boost. I dont think adding JE forged pistons to a brand new motor will cause it too fail. I have got every single part I could get except for the head spacer but I learned about it after the heads were installed anyway.

Its done... I am going to pick it up today. I cant wait! For those on my side...Thanks for the advice and I will keep ya'll posted with the tune. I hope surgeline takes care of me and that the process west tmi fits without any hitches

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good luck!

I think people have given great advice and rallysoob has taken into account what everyone has said. Don't know why there's any bashing at all.

Your build looks solid
Don't overspend! Also try to check with your insurance if your modded parts are covered!
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hey man. can you tell me why it wont last as long as a stock motor? I just dont get that...

Because I will be running a brand new stock motor with just a better turbo and pistons but running stock boost. pretty much every single known failure has been addressed with the exception of the composite head spacer and splitting the case to do the bottom end but that is why I am only doing stock boost or very close too.

I understand more boost means less life but stock boost on my motor vs stock boost on a full oem motor. I thought mine would last longer if not twice as long or more. I dont get why it wouldnt.
The biggest reason why it won't last as long as a stock motor is because you modified your stock engine to produce more power. Simple as that. This is NOT a "brand new stock motor with just a better turbo and pistons but running stock boost." This is a real deal upgrade! You have a bigger turbo. Bigger injectors. Forged pistons. Bigger fuel pump. You act like it's nothing but it's a significant upgrade from what you have. You'll probably be putting down 80-100hp + over your stock set up. Maybe more. That is huge... AND it's not just wear and tear on your engine! Think drive line. Axles. CV joints. Transmission. Clutch. Differential. Etc etc etc....

Also, I double dog dare you to run only stock boost (14.5psi IIRC). It's just not going to happen, not after spending bookoo bucks on a turbo and engine build. My guess is your tuner is going to tune your engine to run in the turbos peak "efficiency island" (which they should). That could be between 18-22psi - I'm not sure with your specific turbo.

You can believe in your heart of hearts it's going to last 150k+ miles, and it may, but it probably wont.

And FYI, even if you are running stock boost, you realize you are still flowing more air, right?

You might want to read this thread: Built motor guys who have aquired significant milage

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The tolerances on a full built motor with race pistons is different deal than a weak little stage 3 setup like mine right>? 18G is like a stock turbo basicaly. It will be with stock boost pushed through it. I'm getting process west TMI so it will be more reliable setup. Should have it in 2-3days
The tolerances on your forged pistons are much looser than a stock cast piston. It's true that the PTW clearance on a full on race engine seeing 30+psi of boost will be looser than yours, but don't think yours are going to be snug. It will probably have some piston slap, which, again, introduces wear on an engine that is built like yours. What exactly is a "Stage 3" setup?

The Process West TMIC will cool the charge air to your engine better than your stock TMIC and reduce the chance for detonation which should allow you to run higher boost more safely. Whether or not it provides reliability depends on several variables. All things being equal (tune, etc) the absolute biggest variable in how reliable your engine is comes down to how you drive and maintain it. Period.

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You seem like a nice guy. It sucks that you're mostly discounting the solid advice you've received above, and still trusting the engine builder who has mislead you.

There were much better choices you could have made than the path you chose - but there's no point in people continuing to tell you where you screwed up and why.

Hopefully you get many years of reliable performance.
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This is true and yet ANOTHER reason why your engine isn't going to last as long as stock. And you've already gone face first down the modding rabbit hole.

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God some of you are the biggest tools ever man. DID YOU LOOK AT POST #41? Most of you are awesome and I appreciate the feedback dont get me wrong. But the guys that are all up in my financial decisions are lame. You think I would get those parts if I didnt have a tmi lined up? Im pretty sure I mentioned above several times I got a line on one this weekend or BEFORE my tune happens. I am getting an process west or whatever it is...900$'ish and its best tmi I can find. Cant wait! Hatin mfrs
I don't think anyone is "Hatin mfrs". You don't need a $900 TMIC to run that turbo. You don't need a $400+ oil pan for daily driving. It's a waste of money. People have told you that, and you ignore their advice. That's your prerogative, but it starts to look like a case of "more money than sense" and people have seen it before again and again.

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And I didnt discount anything anyone said bud. I had already bought the motor before I made this thread and all I wanted to know is what to expect for power and advice on more parts to buy. I never asked for critique on stuff I already paid for did I? I didnt ask for anyone's input on my financial decisions ... I have a pretty decent spare motor that I can build and I have a brand spanking new motor in my car...is that a bad thing? Are you jelous you dont have a new motor and a spare motor to build like I do? I dont get it... Why wouldn't someone want a brand new motor if they can get one? I didnt buy a race motor from crawford because the loose tolerances of a full on motor like that usually means a lot less engine life. Racers consider their motors disposable..Im sure of it. So I like my oem decision.
I don't think anyone is jealous of your return on investment ($9k+ for your setup). It's NOT a bad setup btw! However, if you paid, say, $4k for it (as it should have cost you) maybe people would admire your setup, but you're kinda coming off like a tool here, and maybe it's just because you dumped a lot of coin and you're defensive which makes it looks like everyone is criticizing you.

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Sorry but it is lame that I have to even explain all this. Nobody can just be happy for another Subaru guy. You have to rain on their parade? Makes a person wonder why you feel like you have to do that. I tried to ignore it, but I just want to be clear I have not discounted any valuable advice that was given. I didn't even read the story posted about what I 'could' of done and 'should' of done because I am already COMMITTED! Duh!
I don't think you have the ability or knowledge to determine what advice was valuable and what was not. No disrespect intended, it's a fact.

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Its done... I am going to pick it up today. I cant wait! For those on my side...Thanks for the advice and I will keep ya'll posted with the tune. I hope surgeline takes care of me and that the process west tmi fits without any hitches
There is no "side" man... People just dropping some knowledge. That's all. Good luck though. I hope you enjoy your new ride! And I want to see the dyno plot to see if you stuck with stock boost!!!
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I hope everything goes well for you too. But you should have done your research and laid out your options before dealing with them....
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