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Old 03-14-2013, 06:52 PM   #151
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:36 PM   #152
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Does anyone know the stock inner diameter of the exhaust ports and of the stock exhaust manifold ?
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:42 PM   #153
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Does anyone know the stock inner diameter of the exhaust ports and of the stock exhaust manifold ?
Check the Nameless header thread on FT86, they might have some of that info in there from last summer. I definitely recall hearing about the stock exhaust manifold ID.
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:31 AM   #154
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Just don't want a first year car.

Also: There may be a backup cam on the 14's? I don't care either way.
Same boat. Bought Tribeca in the first year, vowed to never buy first MY again. Might be a stupid rule to apply across the board but it's what I'm going to do

The last news I heard from the dealer about when order bank opens is "summer"
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:35 AM   #155
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For those that have owned a WRX or STI in the past. What are your BRZ insurances rates compared to you turbo econoboxes?
I had mine quoted yesterday and it will go up $14 a month over my 11wrx limited sedan.

looking for new insurance.
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:37 AM   #156
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also please don't put a hitch on the brz.....but to each there own I guess.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:05 AM   #157
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I had mine quoted yesterday and it will go up $14 a month over my 11wrx limited sedan.

looking for new insurance.
Weird. Mine went down $25 over my 11 WRX Limited sedan through AllState.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:31 AM   #158
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I use Progressive full coverage, and mine would be exactly the same for the BRZ 6MT Limited as with my 2013 Impreza Sport Limited CVT. It's also the exact same rate for a WRX. That low. But then again, I'm 50 yrs old. Lower rates is one of the precious few benefits of middle age motoring. Still, I'd recommend them, they did right by me with repairs in the past, and last year with hurricane Sandy.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:34 AM   #159
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also please don't put a hitch on the brz.....but to each there own I guess.
Yeah, a hitch would help the weight balance, increase rigidity and allow you bring a tire trailer to the track with you. Please don't do anything that would actually help you use and enjoy your car more.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:08 AM   #160
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Adding weight helps yes....a hitch makes the car more rigid?

Tires fit in the back.

I'm sure a trailer will be great on the clutch and tranny....

People put wood spoilers on there cars so do whatever you like man ...just seems like a waste IMHO.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:38 AM   #161
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Adding weight helps yes....a hitch makes the car more rigid?

Tires fit in the back.

I'm sure a trailer will be great on the clutch and tranny....

People put wood spoilers on there cars so do whatever you like man ...just seems like a waste IMHO.
Yes, adding a rigid metal bar between two unsupported frame rails will improve overall rigidity.

No, adding weight isn't always the best thing, but if you're going to add weight, doing so low to the ground and at the rear of a RWD vehicle is arguably the best option.

You can only fit one set of tires in the back.. and then you've got very little room for tools or a codriver or luggage/camping gear.




If you're that worried about the clutch and transmission (on your way to your motorsports event.. ) you can always opt for a Tire Tail...
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:37 AM   #162
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:43 PM   #163
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I had mine quoted yesterday and it will go up $14 a month over my 11wrx limited sedan.

looking for new insurance.
My insurance went down a pretty hefty amount. I was paying ~$1600 for my WRX, but my BRZ is ~$1100 for the year with full coverage. I have VT Mutual.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:26 PM   #164
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My insurance went down a pretty hefty amount. I was paying ~$1600 for my WRX, but my BRZ is ~$1100 for the year with full coverage. I have VT Mutual.
my insurance is 110 a month for the brz
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:24 PM   #165
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I read the new WRX is using a turbo version of the BRZ engine. Why no turbo for the BRZ??
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:49 PM   #166
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I read the new WRX is using a turbo version of the BRZ engine. Why no turbo for the BRZ??
You answered the question. Because WRX.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:47 AM   #167
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Whats going to break with this car? Is this a 250k+ Subaru? I understand it has good "hypertuetonic" pistons and a beefy shortblock. Reports are that the cv joints are a bit weak. I guess the heads worry me the most a few reports of cams slipping and valves popping thru the head, probably detonation.

The DI pumps are probably the most expensive semi "wear" items to replace, But I like the added PFI to keep the chamber clean.

I bought this new, keeping it stock in hopes of keeping it a good 20 years, but I do rev it up when I drive it, not the smoothest sounding engine, but boxers have an inherent balance that is supposed to lead to long life. My first Subaru but am used to Toyota and Honda reliability after frustrating years with high milage german cars.

The gearbox seems bulletproof, of course a clutch is a normal wear item. But any guestimates on long term maintenance issues with these car?
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:08 AM   #168
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Non turbo Subarus have had leaking head gasket problems for years now. We have yet to see if FB motors are better in that aspect.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:10 AM   #169
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Re: axles
-You won't pop one at stock power levels. Seems mainly the turbo crowd and very low ride-height crowd are popping these (Robispec blew one, but he's lowered 3 or more inches).

Re: hypereutectic pistons
-Beefier ringlands than on the STI. No boost to increase cylinder temps and cause detonation, added cooling from DI. I wouldn't worry here.

Re: block
-No idea. The crank IS beefier in the right places from what I've seen of people who actually know what they're talking about.

Re: heads
-Please link me to these reports

Re: balance
-Boxers ARE inherently balanced. The sound isn't as refined as a Toyota/Honda L4 engine, but we've got NO harmonic dampers or anything, so bear that in mind. Part of this may be the sound tube; you can plug it and see if that improves your aural experience.

Re: maintenance
-Same general maintenance as any Japanese econobox is all I expect, but the DI is a new thing for me.
-Leaking head gaskets were an EJ SOHC problem IIRC, not sure if the DOHC engines had the problem. Again, it was an EJ problem so hopefully we won't see it here.
-Also, this is a chain-driven engine so no stupid belt to replace at 100K miles!
-You can take the car apart with an assortment of 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 17mm, and 19mm wrenches, short/deep socket.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:53 AM   #170
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Re: balance
-Boxers ARE inherently balanced. The sound isn't as refined as a Toyota/Honda L4 engine, but we've got NO harmonic dampers or anything, so bear that in mind. Part of this may be the sound tube; you can plug it and see if that improves your aural experience.
Not just harmonic dampeners.. it's balance shafts that most modern inline 4s have. It used to be that only the larger (over 2 liters) 4 cylinders had them.. but they're practically expected now due to higher NVH refinement requirements from customers. Balance shafts sap power.


If you want a great and unique Subaru sound... grab a Borla UEL header.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:02 PM   #171
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Thanks for the quick reply, you are right that this boxer doesn't have a harmonic balancer, like an old iline6 which is also inherently balanced.

I read a couple reports of valves breaking thru heads on the CEL thread at the FT86 forum.

My car has the CEL and needs the reflash but the nearest dealer is 2 hrs away, they want me to wait 4 hrs. I'm very tempted to just get a ECuTek or BRZ Edit flash tool just to do it myself (I work nights.)

The only mods I am semi interested in are the headers that "cure" the torque dip, and the 15mm drop TRD springs. I think that a good header may increase engine life (remembering the MR-S headers with cats that broke down and sucked into the combustion chamber.)

I'm 42 and the only other new car I ever bought was a cash for clunkers 09 Yaris, those things are good for 300k, not a fun DD on the hilly rural roads I drive to work though, good reliable backup and snow weather car I plan on keeping forever.

Always wanted a reliable RWD lightweight sports coupe so I couldn't pass on buying a twin when they came out after bitching for 20 years about none being on the market. Just I little concerned with it being a first year model. I'm not too concerned about headgaskets, I can't imagine Subaru making the same mistake twice.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:15 PM   #172
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I read a couple reports of valves breaking thru heads on the CEL thread at the FT86 forum.
That would be due to improper dealer reassembly of the cam gears and related components. The TSB for this issue was pulled due to the occurrence of this issue.
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Not just harmonic dampeners.. it's balance shafts that most modern inline 4s have. It used to be that only the larger (over 2 liters) 4 cylinders had them.. but they're practically expected now due to higher NVH refinement requirements from customers. Balance shafts sap power.


If you want a great and unique Subaru sound... grab a Borla UEL header.
Balance shafts, that's what I was thinking of. Thanks CJ. Lol, Borla header
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:39 PM   #173
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Old 05-04-2013, 02:39 AM   #174
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Flanges, wut?
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:04 AM   #175
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Looks like flange problems with the UEL headers.

Then you have the O2 sensor issue, obviously beside curing the toqrque dip a BIG advantage of a header is getting rid of the manifold cat, when it starts to break down in 50k miles bits of ceramic will find their way into the engine block.

But to go catless header requires a $900 tune to remove the CEL, and even then there is questin that this doesn't erase the history or "DTC-Readiness" which could flag you on an emissions OBDII sticker scan.

I think the whole EcuTek tuning and tuning in general is not mature for these vehicles. In a year I can see open source base maps being shared for little things like this, one shouldn't have to pay $900 for a simple tune.

I'm taking my car at the dealer for the recal ECU install today, that's about 10 hrs of my time (living on a night shift schedule means no sleep for a day.) I hate going to the dealer for anything but hopefully this will be the last and we will have TechStream along with an open-source Romedit in a few years.

And non-flush header flanges should be a thing of the past by then too plus they will come with a free flash rom.

Someone already reported writing a driver that allows $25 Mini VCI cable to work with BR edit in leu of the $150 Tactrix2.0.

Best to leave tis car stock till competition lowers the prices and raises the quality of popular upgrades. Its a $25k car, doesn't need a overly featured high end EcuTek tuing license and proprietary cable. I am all about supporting high dollar mods and development on expensive cars but this is not an exotic or even bavarian.

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