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Old 02-09-2013, 08:10 PM   #51
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Is there really a market for another barely-enough-room-7 seater? I've never seen a three row that could fit adults and luggage.

What is the point of three rows if you can't take luggage? Only a Suburban can do it, I think.

There aren't enough jobs for people to keep having big families. A 5 seater should be PLENTY of space.
Family of 4 plus Grandma and Grandpa is a big family? We take two cars now, not really economical, fun or good for the environment.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:16 PM   #52
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Is there really a market for another barely-enough-room-7 seater? I've never seen a three row that could fit adults and luggage.

What is the point of three rows if you can't take luggage? Only a Suburban can do it, I think.

There aren't enough jobs for people to keep having big families. A 5 seater should be PLENTY of space.
It's called a minivan.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:50 PM   #53
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Oh my. The truth comes out about Snow Drift.
It's true. The population is too big and if we all need 7 passenger vehicles it will only get bigger. The unemployment rate isn't going to go down as we continue to become more and more technologically advanced and self sufficient.

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Family of 4 plus Grandma and Grandpa is a big family? We take two cars now, not really economical, fun or good for the environment.
That is not everyday, I assume. You buy cars for your normal life, so 4 people fits a two row car.

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It's called a minivan.
Eh, with the third row up the cargo room is drastically reduced. Good luck with 7 bags of luggage in only the trunk area (no roof top allowed for this theory).
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:23 PM   #54
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Eh, with the third row up the cargo room is drastically reduced. Good luck with 7 bags of luggage in only the trunk area (no roof top allowed for this theory).
Hey no fair, that is cheating.

The Odyssey has a good amount of cargo room for being a minivan:



Assuming that if you are taking 7, several of those will be children, kids never have much luggage anyways.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:48 PM   #55
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That is not everyday, I assume. You buy cars for your normal life, so 4 people fits a two row car.
To each his own. Some people need something that large more than once a week, like us. Some people need trucks to pull campers and boats. *shrug*
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:09 PM   #56
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To each his own. Some people need something that large more than once a week, like us. Some people need trucks to pull campers and boats. *shrug*
And Subaru hasn't always been known for designing cars for " some people".
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:47 PM   #57
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:30 AM   #58
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And Subaru hasn't always been known for designing cars for " some people".
I'm not sure what you mean? Subaru is a niche car company, they sell cars to "few people". Also, they make what I want to buy, they just won't sell it in the U.S.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:40 AM   #59
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I'm not sure what you mean? Subaru is a niche car company, they sell cars to "few people". Also, they make what I want to buy, they just won't sell it in the U.S.
The Exiga? If so the third row is created for the Japanese population which somewhat mimics what Europeans think of people who sit in the back seats.

Audi Q7/Q5 rear seats and Allroad remind me of the legroom for the Exiga third row occupants which is very little.

Even the 2013 Sante Fe 6/7-seater extended wheel base isn't "enough" in my opinion.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:14 AM   #60
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The Exiga? If so the third row is created for the Japanese population which somewhat mimics what Europeans think of people who sit in the back seats.

Audi Q7/Q5 rear seats and Allroad remind me of the legroom for the Exiga third row occupants which is very little.

Even the 2013 Sante Fe 6/7-seater extended wheel base isn't "enough" in my opinion.
For two small skinny kids, it's plenty of room. If they can fit in the Tribeca third row, they can fit in the Exiga. I think if you used that third row all the time, you'd want a minivan or something larger but I need it a few times per month and for short trips. I also don't want a big SUV, which is why I like the Exiga so much.

However, I realize they'll never bring it to the U.S. because it isn't what other people are willing to buy.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:47 AM   #61
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For two small skinny kids, it's plenty of room. If they can fit in the Tribeca third row, they can fit in the Exiga. I think if you used that third row all the time, you'd want a minivan or something larger but I need it a few times per month and for short trips. I also don't want a big SUV, which is why I like the Exiga so much.

However, I realize they'll never bring it to the U.S. because it isn't what other people are willing to buy.
=\ Not big enough for me. I don't need minivan specifications in terms of leg, head, and shoulder room but it'd be nice if it wasn't "just for kids." With the Exiga I could see that being possible given the form factor. On others like the Tribeca and Sorento, the third row is "only for kids" is expected.
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Also, they make what I want to buy, they just won't sell it in the U.S.
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Why can't we have it!!!
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For two small skinny kids, it's plenty of room. If they can fit in the Tribeca third row, they can fit in the Exiga. I think if you used that third row all the time, you'd want a minivan or something larger but I need it a few times per month and for short trips. I also don't want a big SUV, which is why I like the Exiga so much.

However, I realize they'll never bring it to the U.S. because it isn't what other people are willing to buy.
People complain the Tribeca is too small and yet ask for the smaller Exiga?

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Why can't we have it!!!
Because ya'll didn't buy it!!!
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:22 AM   #65
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Because ya'll didn't buy it!!!
They don't seem to have a problem continuing to offer the Tribeca.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:01 PM   #66
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Amen
The crazy thing about the Legacy Wagon, they build it in Indiana, then ship it to Canada.

Also, we never got the 2010+ legacy wagon, which was greatly improved over the previous models. I think it would have sold here.
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Because ya'll didn't buy it!!!
Because SOA made them impossible to buy.
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I thought it was Subaru Australia's Nick Senior who said that, if Tribeca went away, Fuji owed it to the American market to make a 7-passenger Outback.
That's what I recall too!
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I thought it was Subaru Australia's Nick Senior who said that, if Tribeca went away, Fuji owed it to the American market to make a 7-passenger Outback.
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That's what I recall too!
Nope.

Somehow, you're both remembering an interview with FHI's executive VP and General Manager of Subaru Global Marketing from the 2009 Frankfurt motor show. As far as I recall, not a single automobile blogger in the world picked up on it, maybe because it was published on Oct 20, 2009 only by an obscure Israeli car mag in Hebrew.

Maybe we have fluent Hebrew readers here who can clean up this crude translation that's based on:
http://translate.google.com/translat...231492%3B.aspx

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We might have already seen and driven the new Legacy/B4, but the car was officially displayed to the rest of the world at the recent (Sept 2009) Frankfurt auto show. This is why at the manufacturer's exhibition booth we tracked down Hidetoshi Kobayashi, Subru Vice President, who is responsible for marketing strategies. We told him the new vehicles already available in Israel and we focused on what's in israel and what's not. For example: What's happening with the Outback's bigger sibling, the Exiga? "Exiga is currently manufactured only with right hand drive and is exported to Australia and certain countries in East Asia. The truth is that its sales in Japan are not good enough and we are disappointed with that. So we've decided, for now, not to develop a left hand drive version."

So will we see cooperation with Toyota on that kind of product (7-seater)?

"Not right now. We've developed With Toyota a sports car with front engine and rear wheel drive and it will be released 2012. It is called FT-86 and will be formally displayed next at an exhibition in Tokyo. The exterior will be designed by Toyota and the engine is ours. It will be also for export."

Will subaru adopt Toyota's hybrid system?

"Right now we're not considering Toyota's system. We're working on our own system, but even so, no decision has been taken."

What about a Super-Mini?

"We think about it all the time. The market for these cars in Europe and even in the United States is growing. Here we sell the Sirion under the name Justy but, because it is a "bought" Daihatsu, we can not earn much. We think seriously of developing a Super-Mini with our own genes. Maybe we could use an enlarged platform from one of our old mini-cars or the floor of the Impreza/B3."

You are launching here the Outback. Doesn't it look too much like the Legacy?

"I do think they are too similar, but not for long. Maybe in the next face-lift or maybe before, we'll turn the exterior of the Outback more aggressive."

Will there be a follow-on to the Tribeca?

"Our current numbers in the United States are not large. So we will produce the Tribeca as long as we can, but we're not sure we'll make a follow-on. There is no other alternative and the current feeling is that there will be no more Tribeca."

What does this say about a possible 7-seat version of the Outback?

"If we stop the production of Tribeca, we'll make an Outback with 7 seats. We owe it to the American market."

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So we could get the Exiga, but in rugged Outback form. I'd buy one of those. Of course they haven't given us any idea when they'd kill off the Tribeca, only that they'd keep selling it until it can't pass safety standards?

Thanks Cocoa Beach Bum!
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:38 PM   #71
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So we could get the Exiga, but in rugged Outback form. I'd buy one of those. ....

How are sales of the Mazda 5 in the US market? It seem to be comparable in size and layout to the Exiga.
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How are sales of the Mazda 5 in the US market? It seem to be comparable in size and layout to the Exiga.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...gures.html?m=1

Looks about 1100-1200 a month. I did not average them up, just eyeball math.
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They don't seem to have a problem continuing to offer the Tribeca.

We don't have anything else that's 7 passenger. Each one is profit. I still get people that don't want an Outback because it looks like a wagon to them; so, I believe the Legacy wagon would still not sell enough.



All of this talk of an Exiga......I don't think they would "replace" the Tribeca with something smaller. The new Forester has gotten bigger on the inside than the Outback; so, I think the Outback is about to grow again. I think it will have a version that will accommodate 7 passengers better than the Exiga(and possibly the Tribeca).
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We don't have anything else that's 7 passenger. Each one is profit. I still get people that don't want an Outback because it looks like a wagon to them; so, I believe the Legacy wagon would still not sell enough.
Subaru doesn't offer anything as nice as the Legacy wagon. WRX/STI don't count as everyone isn't a boy racer. Outback doesn't appeal to everyone. Just as the Tribeca serves a niche, so would the Legacy wagon. Rather than having to go to Volvo/Audi/BMW...etc. a customer could stay with Subaru.

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Subaru doesn't offer anything as nice as the Legacy wagon. WRX/STI don't count as everyone isn't a boy racer. Outback doesn't appeal to everyone. Just as the Tribeca serves a niche, so would the Legacy wagon. Rather than having to go to Volvo/Audi/BMW...etc. a customer could stay with Subaru.

It apparently did more than the Legacy wagon hence the axe.

I'd tell them to buy an Outback or go ahead and spend all that extra money for less ground clearance.
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