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Old 02-09-2013, 01:52 PM   #1
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So after some ruff driving my clutch peddle struck the floor and will not depress, nor go into any gears. After towing it home i began to inspect the clutch slave and master cylinders pushing and pulling the pedal.. the pedal release now but the car goes into gears now if clutch is in or out. Also the car will not start now. When the key is turned to start, engine does not turn over in attempt to start, only whines. Is the because the clutch may not be engaged? or maybe flywheel shatter and a junk tranny? open to all suggestions other than quit driving like a retard. i already know that.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:07 PM   #2
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Unless your going to do the work yourself, take it to a garage you trust. It sounds like it could be a myriad of pricy bits coming down the pipe. Like transmission and or motor damage, either way get your taxes done ASAP so your return is at hand to spend.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:26 PM   #3
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FYI- If your car is not running then you can put the car in any gear with out pushing in the clutch.

Check your fluid levels, they may low.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:27 PM   #4
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yah i most likely will. just tryna get an idea whats goin on here. i know if the teeth on the flywheel are junk the starter wont enage it.. or i was thinking the safety switch like when you forget to push it in the car wont start and jump forward.. i guess im asking will a car start with a blown clutch? or is there something more i.e. flywheel throwout bearing etc.. Thanks
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:36 PM   #5
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If the flywheel got messed up then yeah you could have problems starting your car, however a problem like that would most likely result in shrapnel and would be obvious. I would say its some sort of linkage problem (low fluid) which is preventing the clutch from being completely disengaged. I once had a problem where the bracket that holds the clutch pedal to the firewall was broken which prevented the clutch from fully engaging which caused starter problems but that was on a Ford truck so it might be unrelated, but you never know.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:11 PM   #6
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thanks i just bleed the slave cylinder and added some fluid.. the piston moves nicely in and out but there is still very little feel in the pedal.. also it appears when i attempt to start it, the whining is the starter spinning but no motor turn over. i also smell something burnt in engine bay, prob the clutch disc.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:14 PM   #7
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Car was running before i shut it off...
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:20 PM   #8
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Before taking your clutch out you should remove and test the starter to see if the piston is engaging.... though I suppose that would let you to check the flywheel at the same time to see if teeth are missing.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:25 PM   #9
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check which piston for engagement? if removed the starter would give me a nice whole to look into at flywheel? thanks bro
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:35 PM   #10
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check which piston for engagement? if removed the starter would give me a nice whole to look into at flywheel? thanks bro
The starter piston.... the way the starter works is that when you depress the clutch and turn the key a piston with some teeth on them slides forward and startes spinning. The teeth then engage on the teeth on the flywheel which spins the flywheel starting the car.

If the piston isn't shooting foward it cant engage the flywheel. Also if the teeth on the flywheel or starter are chewed up it can't start the car. The teeth get messed up from turning the key to the start postion while the car is running and you hear a grinding sound like when you grind your gears on a miss shift.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:40 PM   #11
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You can also check your wires and starter with a multi-meter to see if the starter is working properly and also if the starter is getting the right amount of voltage to fully engage the piston. You need the diagnostic specs though to check that so you will need a service manual.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:00 PM   #12
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Update, pulled the starter out as suggested..seen what looked like a little clutch material floating around... started feeling around inside and the fly wheel was just moving all around.. seems the ring with all the teeth blew off and is just floating around.. hence my no start. wonder why the dead pedal tho.. anyways looks like ill be off with a new clutch and fly wheel.. any suggestions?
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:07 PM   #13
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Does your pedal still feel dead after you bleed the system because that is the only thing I can think of with out further research.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:09 PM   #14
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No just super spongy sticky, i think the pressure plate could have something to do with it
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:20 PM   #15
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No just super spongy sticky, i think the pressure plate could have something to do with it
Maybe...but I think its a certainty that its a clutch/flywheel problem. You said the outer ring of the flywheel was spinning freely...I'm fairly certain all flywheels are one piece (i don't know of any two piece flywheels) so there might be something more going on there. As for the clutch pedal it might have air trapped in the line which is giving it a spongy feel. You could also have a leak in the system somewhere. I'd clean the area the slave, master and associated line and then depress the pedal many times to see if there is a leak somewhere.

Edit: So I researched a little and I guess 2 piece flywheels are fairly common and it appears your car would have a 2 piece flywheel. Sorry for the miss information.

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:12 PM   #16
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yah, i have never known anyone to blow one apart tho.. maybe the launch control on the cobb would prevent these accidents from happening.. i believe i dumped it at too high rpm too many times.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:27 PM   #17
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Any suggestion on a new clutch? Exedy oem style or should i just spend the extra cash for an ACT or Clutch Masters?
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:57 PM   #18
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I think it depends on how deep your pockets are? Don't skimp on a flywheel and clutch, because it sounds like you need a pretty hardcore setup. Maybe an STI 6 speed too.
http://www.clutchstar.com/product/ac...-wrx-2-0-h4-tb
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Honestly, it sounds like you've damaged much more than just the clutch. You REALLY need to pull the engine/tranny and see what you're up against before ordering any parts. The flywheel should NOT be spinning freely no matter what has happened to the TOB, clutch disk, or pressure plate. Something else is going on...
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Edit: So I researched a little and I guess 2 piece flywheels are fairly common and it appears your car would have a 2 piece flywheel. Sorry for the miss information.
2 piece flywheels are not common on our cars (at least not the kind that can actually be separated under any normal circumstances). You were right to question it the first time.
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After eggroll's comment i decided to take the car to my mechanic.. he said he has never seen a broke flywheel but has seen the crankshaft snap causing the dead pedal and free movement of the flywheel.. i should get the details later this week. I hope that this is the first broken flywheel he seen, being the car did run before i shut it off. Anyways will shopping around.. any suggestions on replacing motor or doing a 2.5 or ej20 jdm v7 or rebuilding it..

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2 piece flywheels are not common on our cars (at least not the kind that can actually be separated under any normal circumstances). You were right to question it the first time.
I figured as much, I just didn't want to throw out a blanket statement having never held a Subaru flywheel and end up being wrong. Thanks for the tip.
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After eggroll's comment i decided to take the car to my mechanic.. he said he has never seen a broke flywheel but has seen the crankshaft snap causing the dead pedal and free movement of the flywheel.. i should get the details later this week. I hope that this is the first broken flywheel he seen, being the car did run before i shut it off. Anyways will shopping around.. any suggestions on replacing motor or doing a 2.5 or ej20 jdm v7 or rebuilding it..
I would hazard to guess that if your crankshaft broke then your engine wouldn't be able to provide power to the wheels. So since you can't start the car, you could try putting you car in gear, take the E-brake off and try to push the car, if it moves fairly easy then I'd say you most likely did snap you crankshaft.
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I am stationed in Japan right now man, and honestly I would stick to a US spec engine. It is more trouble than it's worth I promise. You can build a U.S. 2.0 that would smash a JDM one and vise-versa. Don't get stuck on the "JDM" thing unless you are going to get really JDM and go right hand drive. It's not worth the extra money just because it is "JDM" Throw down and get a Cossworth block or something cool like that F*$& a JDM.
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just wait to see what the full diagnostic is. sounds like your flywheel may have came loose from the pressure plate or broke. if the car was running smoothly when you shut it off, then i have a hard time seeing it being a broken crankshaft. that would be a rare occurance on a stock block EJ. dont buy parts until you know what the issue is. save you alot of money in the long run!
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