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Old 02-16-2013, 09:09 PM   #51
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Some people prefer their cars not to be aggressive and over the top looking.

Subtlety is highly underrated.
There is a difference between subtle and what looks like a 2002 design that was given a quick Autozone nip/tuck with today's styling trends (side vents, LEDs, gaping maw nose). The G8 looked miles better because it was actually cohesive.
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:15 PM   #52
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There is a difference between subtle and what looks like a 2002 design that was given a quick Autozone nip/tuck with today's styling trends (side vents, LEDs, gaping maw nose). The G8 looked miles better because it was actually cohesive.
There's nothing wrong with late 90's and 00's styling. I much preferred it before everything went aggressive and retro retarded.
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:33 PM   #53
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There's nothing wrong with late 90's and 00's styling. I much preferred it before everything went aggressive and retro retarded.
I love styling from the 80s, 90s, and 00s. I don't like throwing current fads onto an old style. The people that put e46 M3 wheels on an e36 328i is basically the same thing. It has to be cohesive.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:43 PM   #54
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This just reminded me how much I wish Ford would bring us the Falcon. Honestly, I think I would prefer the FPV Falcons over this thing, if I were given the choice.

Sooooo delicious.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:06 AM   #55
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Sounds like a nice ride to me

I'm not shocked - but still hate this though:

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:15 AM   #56
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This just reminded me how much I wish Ford would bring us the Falcon. Honestly, I think I would prefer the FPV Falcons over this thing, if I were given the choice.

Sooooo delicious.
I'll probably never own a ford, simply because the parts are so much easier to obtain on a GM; especially for those LS blocks. Speaking from experience, It's kind of a pain getting parts from AU. This would only further add to the annoyance of an AU built ford.

If it was built in the US; that would be a different story.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:51 PM   #57
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This would only further add to the annoyance of an AU built ford.
Aren't the Falcon's just running Mustang motors?
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:42 PM   #58
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Aren't the Falcon's just running Mustang motors?
Motors aren't the only parts that break on cars.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:32 PM   #59
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Motors aren't the only parts that break on cars.
Holy crap this!

I guarantee that 90% of the components on that car either come from AU, NZ, or South Africa.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:22 PM   #60
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I'll probably never own a ford, simply because the parts are so much easier to obtain on a GM; especially for those LS blocks. Speaking from experience, It's kind of a pain getting parts from AU. This would only further add to the annoyance of an AU built ford.

If it was built in the US; that would be a different story.
Obviously, preferably they would build them here, if they were ever offered. Which it looks like they won't, since the latest rumors are the Falcon may be going to a FWD platform/possibly our Taurus platform.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:57 PM   #61
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I'd wouldn't be to hard to convert the Taurus to rwd.

I'd go for that.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:29 PM   #62
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I'd wouldn't be to hard to convert the Taurus to rwd.

I'd go for that.
The word is they are not doing that, though. Which is why it sucks.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:52 PM   #63
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Um.. Houston we have a problem... (well, maybe)...
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Nevermind Houston... False alarm...

I like that GM finally upgraded their entertainment system but it's not enough to persuade me to trade my GXP.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:00 PM   #64
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I'll probably never own a ford, simply because the parts are so much easier to obtain on a GM; especially for those LS blocks. Speaking from experience, It's kind of a pain getting parts from AU. This would only further add to the annoyance of an AU built ford.

If it was built in the US; that would be a different story.


If it's sold in the US you will be able to walk down to your local dealer and buy it. You do realize that the auto industry is global, parts are made everywhere and shipped everywhere.

An example that I love and hate is Suzuki. Many of their older cars were GM and Nissan sourced / engineered. Timing chains for the Grand Vitara are GM parts. The parts are made in Germany, shipped to the US, sold by GM to Suzuki, shipped to Japan then relabeled (new sticker on the GM bag) then shipped to the PDC's in the US before I sell them to you.


And people wonder why the timing chains are so expensive
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:06 AM   #65
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If it's sold in the US you will be able to walk down to your local dealer and buy it. You do realize that the auto industry is global, parts are made everywhere and shipped everywhere.

An example that I love and hate is Suzuki. Many of their older cars were GM and Nissan sourced / engineered. Timing chains for the Grand Vitara are GM parts. The parts are made in Germany, shipped to the US, sold by GM to Suzuki, shipped to Japan then relabeled (new sticker on the GM bag) then shipped to the PDC's in the US before I sell them to you.


And people wonder why the timing chains are so expensive
This is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard of. An MBA somewhere is smiling and a customer is cursing their choice of car.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:47 AM   #66
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Nevermind Houston... False alarm...

I like that GM finally upgraded their entertainment system but it's not enough to persuade me to trade my GXP.
Yeah. You have a GXP so you already pretty much have the same car.

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Old 02-19-2013, 09:12 AM   #67
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Instead of bringing all members of the new Commodore VF family out in the open at once, Holden has chosen to release the separate models in stages.
GM's Australian subsidiary began with the regular sedan and the more luxurious Calais, which were followed by the SS V and its American counterpart, the 2014 Chevrolet SS, and now, we have the Sportwagon and Ute models.

Both the station wagon and the pickup truck version of the Commodore VF series benefit from the same exterior re-skin and a new interior, with all body styles sharing their V6 and V8 engines, though, Holden has yet to release any details about the performance specs.

The Commodore SportWagon pictured here is the more premium Calais variant, while the Ute is the SS V model, likely sporting the Chevy SS's 415hp 6.2-liter LS3 V8.

Holden confirmed that all three Commodore body styles – sedan, Sportwagon and Ute – will go on sale at the same time.

Will we see any of the other body styles making it to North America? According to former Holden boss and now GM North America chief Mark Reuss, there's a possibility that one of the two body styles presented today could join the Chevrolet SS.

“It’s a little bit late for Ute,” Reuss told Australia's Drive. “[But] some people think it would really a really cool thing to do. It’s not too late for the wagon,” he added, leaving the door open for a SS Sportwagon model.
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I definitely like the sedan.
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I have a matchbox of the VE Ute in orange hanging on my cube wall here at work.

If that comes, count me in. And they can NOW call it an El Camino since the Holdens are new Chevy and not Pontiac.

Then again, I could do the wagon instead for golf stuff to be more secure.

Edit: And with the news of Caddy dumping the CTS wagon, the sport wagon would nuzzle in nicely to the lineup.

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Old 02-19-2013, 12:58 PM   #70
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That wouldn't be the fifth time we've heard that rumor of GM bringing over the 'ute and the wagon. I'm not holding my breath, especially with the 'ute.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:31 PM   #71
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If it's sold in the US you will be able to walk down to your local dealer and buy it. You do realize that the auto industry is global, parts are made everywhere and shipped everywhere.

An example that I love and hate is Suzuki. Many of their older cars were GM and Nissan sourced / engineered. Timing chains for the Grand Vitara are GM parts. The parts are made in Germany, shipped to the US, sold by GM to Suzuki, shipped to Japan then relabeled (new sticker on the GM bag) then shipped to the PDC's in the US before I sell them to you.


And people wonder why the timing chains are so expensive
Yeah, tell that to my Monaro. Whenever it needs parts, I have to wait an eternity for them to be shipped from Australia.

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Old 02-19-2013, 09:44 PM   #72
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No Manual=No likey. Will go test drive this car though, along with the 335i and the ATS.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:07 PM   #73
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That's a good looking wagon.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:00 AM   #74
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That wouldn't be the fifth time we've heard that rumor of GM bringing over the 'ute and the wagon. I'm not holding my breath, especially with the 'ute.
They were going to come over as Pontiacs, if they did. Funny thing about that tho... they were forced to fold Pontiac.

It takes a bit of time to change import licensing to allow a different brand to rebadge and rework the plan into a completely different brand.

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Five Things We Dislike About The 2014 Chevrolet SS Performance Sedan



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Is the 2014 Chevrolet SS everything we hoped for? Is it what we wanted? We’re going to say almost. It’s not like our budget-minded behinds are going to be in line for one anytime soon, but there are at least five factors which we feel will turn off a few customers with the coin from saying “yes” outright.

Here they are:

No Manual Transmission At Launch
This one is tough to get over. A lot of people were expecting a complete reincarnation of the Pontiac G8 GXP — which had a manual transmission — in the Chevrolet SS performance sedan. In fact, nearly half of all GXP models sold came equipped with a do-it-yourself gearbox. Granted, there was less than 2,000 ever sold, but it’s not like the SS is intended to be a volume seller, either. In addition, the Holden Commodore SS V will launch with a stick shift, and while it’s still unconfirmed, most likely the same LS3 V8 engine. Maybe it’s a supplier constraint. Maybe it’s a price issue. Whatever the case, it could mean a deal breaker for many potential customers who were looking for a four-door Camaro SS.

The Lack Of Variety
It doesn’t seem that the Chevrolet SS will launch with the typical LS, LT and LTZ trim hierarchy. Instead, the limited-production RWD sedan will come as loaded as possible. This is to maximize the profit margin (which is a big part of what made the business case for the SS) and therefore, there might be some impending sticker shock. How much? We’ve heard as much as $40,000 and change, which seems like a bit for a Chevy. Though in the car’s defense, a V8-powered Camaro can exceed that price point. Still, this puts the SS out of range for many potential customers.

The Name
The simple “SS” title sounds cool. But it also doubles as a trim package on the Camaro, and has heritage in the Chevrolet brand as being a performance trim package, and never a model. We have to ask: what was so wrong about resurrecting the Chevelle name? Dodge pulled a parallel move with the Charger, despite adding an extra set of doors from the original, and has seen moderate success in doing so. The Chevelle name alone would have drawn customers. It’s also why the Camaro isn’t called anything else — there’s loads of equity in the name, just as there is in the Chevelle.

The Late Launch Date
The fourth quarter of 2013. Just in time for the summer… of 2014. Launching a vehicle of this nature in the cold months is a head scratcher, but we figure it might have something to do with it being the spring and summer months south of the equator, where Australia is located. Oh well. We’ll just have to throw on some Blizzak tires and get over it.

The Exterior Looks
We know that we counted this as a plus in the Five Things We Like About The Chevrolet SS, but here’s the rub in the conservative looks: there’s more drama in the design of the front-wheel-drive, far less athletic Chevrolet Impala. Kind of a bummer that there weren’t more visual changes from the Holden Commodore SS V, though we should still be thankful that the SS is even going to be offered.
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