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Old 11-21-2014, 07:18 PM   #1
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As many versions of the Golf that Volkswagen offers in America, there are even more available overseas. But if the Alltrack was one that you wished would make the transatlantic voyage to US showrooms, we've got good news for you, because VW has confirmed its bringing the Golf SportWagen Alltrack to America.

Revealed last year at the Paris Auto Show, the Golf SportWagen Alltrack is VW's answer to a Volvo Cross Country or Subaru Outback. It starts with the Golf SportWagen, which already offers more space than a standard Golf hatch, but adds to it a higher ride height, lower body cladding, a new front bumper and upgraded cabin space.

It also crucially gets 4Motion all-wheel drive, something which was previously available only on the top-of-the-line Golf R. The Haldex 5-based system sends power to the front wheels under normal conditions, but can divert up to 50 percent to the back in slippery situations.

VW has yet to confirm just which engine and transmission combinations will be offered in the US-spec Alltrack, but it's offered overseas in four flavors: a gasoline-burning turbo four with 178 horsepower and a trio of diesels ranging in output from 109 hp to 182. The US-spec Golf hatch is offered with either a turbo four or a mid-range TDI before getting into the GTI, Golf R and e-Golf alternatives. The German automaker hasn't confirmed exactly when the first examples are set to hit US showrooms, but they're slated for sometime next year.



I wonder if they'll pull a Nissan and Mazda and only offer the AWD in automatic, LOLOLOL!



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Subaru needs to watch out, because the Japanese brand with a utilitarian image has a big bull's eye on its back. Not only is Acura considering going 100-percent all-wheel drive in a bid to mimic the successful automaker, Volkswagen has just confirmed that the Golf Alltrack is coming to the US as another competitor for Subaru's popular Outback crossover.

Volkswagen Group of America CEO Michael Horn has confirmed the addition of the higher-riding, all-wheel drive version of the Golf SportWagen to Automotive News, indicating that the model will arrive in the US in 2016. "That's what our dealers, our customers, are asking us for," he said to the industry publication.

The Golf Alltrack, which debuted at the Paris Motor Show in early October, has an extra 0.75 inches of ride height and protective black cladding all the way around. Its biggest mechanical differentiator from other Golfs is its Haldex all-wheel drive system, a setup that can completely unhook from the rear axle when not needed to save fuel. In Europe, the Alltrack is available with a turbocharged 1.8-liter with 178 horsepower and two diesels offering between 109hp and 182 hp. However, Horn made no mention of likely powertrains for the US.

Horn tells Automotive News that all-wheel drive tooling is currently being installed at the Puebla, Mexico, factory where the standard Golf Sportwagen is built. VW might have tipped its hand about this possibility several months ago when press shots of the wagon were released for the US with TDI and 4Motion badges. Horn says he expects even the front-wheel drive version to be a sales hit here, suggesting it may eventually account for 50 percent of the Golf range's volume.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:25 PM   #2
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No VW will be reliable or retain its value like a Subaru.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:06 PM   #3
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:42 PM   #4
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I wonder if they'll pull a Nissan and Mazda and only offer the AWD in automatic, LOLOLOL!
Or, maybe they will pull a Subaru and only offer it in automatic.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:29 PM   #5
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Haldex... no thank you.
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Old 11-22-2014, 12:12 AM   #6
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Or, maybe they will pull a Subaru and only offer it in automatic.
Subaru offers a manual in the Crosstrek which is the same segment. In fact, Subaru added another manual model to the Crosstrek lineup. Subaru offers a manual in the Forester which is the segment above it. Subaru does not offer a manual in the Outback which in reality isn't what this will compete against.
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Subaru offers a manual in the Crosstrek which is the same segment. In fact, Subaru added another manual model to the Crosstrek lineup. Subaru offers a manual in the Forester which is the segment above it. Subaru does not offer a manual in the Outback which in reality isn't what this will compete against.
I understand that, I pointed that out because the article specifically said it was to compete with the Outback.
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:11 AM   #8
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No VW will be reliable or retain its value like a Subaru.
I used to pray to the car gods for my GTI to start
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Vw had better reliability rating in 2012 then Subaru


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Old 11-22-2014, 01:59 PM   #9
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Haldex... no thank you.
The modern Haldex 5 is practically the same or better than Subaru's ActiveAWD.. which is on every single CVT-equipped car that doesn't have a WRX badge on the trunk. It locks up based on throttle input and speed as well as slip.. just like Subaru's system. Actually, the Haldex 5 is supposed to be able to shunt 100% of the torque rearward.. while we've already seen evidence of CVT-equipped Subarus stuck in snow because they couldn't.
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Old 11-23-2014, 06:55 AM   #10
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The modern Haldex 5 is practically the same or better than Subaru's ActiveAWD.. which is on every single CVT-equipped car that doesn't have a WRX badge on the trunk. It locks up based on throttle input and speed as well as slip.. just like Subaru's system. Actually, the Haldex 5 is supposed to be able to shunt 100% of the torque rearward.. while we've already seen evidence of CVT-equipped Subarus stuck in snow because they couldn't.
CJ is correct. The latest Haldex system is a terrific AWD system.

http://www.borgwarner.com/en/Haldex-...ldex-Gen5.aspx
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My three coworkers Jetta, bettle and Passat all work great while my engine blew so... I'm not convinced with the Subaru "superior" reliability statement.
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Forget to service the timing belt?
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Old 11-23-2014, 01:42 PM   #14
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I understand that, I pointed that out because the article specifically said it was to compete with the Outback.
It's not an Outback competitor. It will be a compact crossover. It fits between the Crosstrek and Forester.
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It's not an Outback competitor. It will be a compact crossover. It fits between the Crosstrek and Forester.
You mean the Levorg, right.
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Good on VW and Acura. Putting Subaru's feet to the fire.

How is that no 5dr working for you Subaru? The got damn sharks are circling, do something about it!
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Ringland failure, perhaps you've heard of it...
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My three coworkers Jetta, bettle and Passat all work great while my engine blew so... I'm not convinced with the Subaru "superior" reliability statement.
Really? Because my anecdotal evidence is to the contrary. Every time we take a coworker's VW/Audi to lunch, something is wrong with them. Just last week the sunroof switch trim on a Jetta fell off while driving down the road. That was after the car wouldn't start for several minutes (it does this when left in the sun).

Or another buddy's brand new 2014 Audi A4... that left his wife and babies stranded in the road in the middle of Arizona summer because the fuel pump exploded.

Subarus have two main, recurring issues. One, head gaskets, seems to get many of the NA cars of the 2.5L variety. The other, ringlands, seems to get the turbo cars of the 2.5L variety.

That said, the headgaskets, while a pain, can be done at most shops for $600 or so provided you weren't stupid enough to overheat the thing. They typically only need to be done once in the car's lifetime.

The ringlands... well, I've only seen that once on a truly bone stock car. Every other one has been molested to some degree.

It's the little stupid **** and bizarre electrical problems of VW (Audi too), that drive me nuts. Meanwhile, I hop in my 207K mile Forester and would drive across the country and not think twice. The sheer amount of old Subarus on the road and the price they still command compared to an VAG car should be evidence higher quality.

Whatever, YMMV.
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It's the little stupid **** and bizarre electrical problems of VW (Audi too), that drive me nuts. Meanwhile, I hop in my 207K mile Forester and would drive across the country and not think twice. The sheer amount of old Subarus on the road and the price they still command compared to an VAG car should be evidence higher quality.

Whatever, YMMV.
Same. I would definitely think twice about driving a VW or Audi out of state or beyond 150 miles both ways. Speaking of which, I've never seen a VW at any rental car company I've rented from when out on business.
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Maybe that Golf TDI Sportwagen AWD concept previewed earlier this year is not too far off from reality, just in Alltrack guise.

I have my own reservations on getting a VW based on my previous experiences with VW "over-engineered quirks" but it may be something to look into when it finally becomes available.
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How is that no 5dr working for you Subaru? The got damn sharks are circling, do something about it!
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Good on VW and Acura. Putting Subaru's feet to the fire.

How is that no 5dr working for you Subaru? The got damn sharks are circling, do something about it!
What a dumb comment. VW is making a misstep by not developing a proper crossover competitor for this segment. What do the Trax, Encore, HR-V, Crosstrek, CX-3, X1, Q3, Renegade, GLA, 500x, Ecosport, Countryman, Juke, etc. all have in common? Stubby crossover styling and proportions. At best, the Alltrack is a stop gap vehicle to buy VW time to develop a proper entry into an exploding segment after missing the market cues 5 years ago.

And what does a struggling brand like Acura going all AWD have anything to do with Subaru? They already offer an AWD version of every car they make except for the ILX. Acura isn't trying to compete with Subaru or emulating Subaru's success with an AWD product lineup. They are trying to improve their image as a premium brand by distancing themselves from Honda and ditching premium image sapping FWD.
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What a dumb comment. VW is making a misstep by not developing a proper crossover competitor for this segment. What do the Trax, Encore, HR-V, Crosstrek, CX-3, X1, Q3, Renegade, GLA, 500x, Ecosport, Countryman, Juke, etc. all have in common? Stubby crossover styling and proportions. At best, the Alltrack is a stop gap vehicle to buy VW time to develop a proper entry into an exploding segment after missing the market cues 5 years ago.

And what does a struggling brand like Acura going all AWD have anything to do with Subaru? They already offer an AWD version of every car they make except for the ILX. Acura isn't trying to compete with Subaru or emulating Subaru's success with an AWD product lineup. They are trying to improve their image as a premium brand by distancing themselves from Honda and ditching premium image sapping FWD.
Pull the sand out of your *****.

Looks like VW is making an AWD 5dr. Good for them. Competition.
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Certain parts on Subarus are too damn fragile. I'll definitely give you that one. Or picky, perhaps, is the better term.
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