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Old 02-14-2013, 03:12 PM   #26
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But let the high beltline thing die already.
I don't think we're ever getting away from that.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:14 PM   #27
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Too much front overhang for a fwd car.
That's the same thing I thought about early pictures of the 6 and in person it's not bad at all.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:53 PM   #28
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Looks a lot like the GR Impreza.
It's essentially the rear half of a GR hatch with the new Mazda 6 front end tacked on. Not a very well proportioned design.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:37 PM   #29
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In 2004, the Mazda3's arrival on the compact car scene was a huge breath of fresh air; equipped with competent handling, performance and standout styling, it made a striking point of difference compared to its competitors and the mundane Protegé/323 that it replaced. Even in comparison to the European Ford Focus that shares its platform, the Mazda3 in my eyes set a design benchmark that still looks fresh today.
Now fast forward to 2013, and the Hiroshima based manufacturer is applying final touches to the yet-to-be officially revealed 3rd-generation Mazda3. While expected to break cover later this year, we feel that waiting is not going to satisfy our curiosity. So here it is; the all-new Mazda3, painstakingly rendered using visual clues from the many Zebra-coated prototypes spotted driving out and about. Stunning isn't it?

Immediately one will notice that it looks more mature yet dynamically aggressive than the out-going car. This is due to Mazda's continued application of its 'Kodo' design language - a styling genre previewed by the CX-5 crossover and well-received Mazda6 sedan.

Arguably the next Mazda3 looks to be the best interpretation of Kodo design to date, and anyone with a dislike for clowns will be suitably relieved as the car does away with its controversial smiling grill - instead opting for a psychologically friendly alternative.

The chrome-framed grill and headlights share most of their DNA with the bigger Mazda6, yet where this improves is with better proportioning (I've felt the high hood profile and shoulder/window line on the latest '6' does not gel the best).

Another area of enhancement is with the prominent rear haunches; helping to increase visual stance, they are now even more exaggerated with the sheet-metal flowing up into the wider C-pillars. Speaking of the latter, those rear quarter windows behind the rear doors of the 1st and 2nd generation versions have now disappeared, making the greenhouse appear a fraction more unique.

Around the back, the view is more CX-5 than Mazda6 - though it translates well with shaper surfacing and taillight detailing compared to the compact crossover.

Peering through the more rakish rear window is expected to show a higher quality interior. Whilst the cabin styling of the current car carries a certain flair, it suffers in furnishing with hard plastics and questionable material choices - the 2014 (or 2015MY) version is expected to rectify these issues. Also under the skin, a vast suite of safety technologies will likely appear; like blind spot assist, smart break support, lane departure warning and radar-based active cruise control.

At the business end, the formula is SkyActiv-G driven with a 2.0L four cylinder aided by either six-speed auto or manual transmissions driving the front wheels. However, SkyActiv is much more than a power train - it's a philosophy of fuel saving technologies like i-stop (engine stop-start), high compression ratios and structural weight savings to create a nimbler, more potent package.

In terms of other packaging, expect cabin space to be better utilized (anyone that has sat in the back of the current Mazda3 sedan will know how tight things are), so cue increased legroom front and rear. At this stage, just sedan and hatch configurations will be offered, with the latter being potentially offered in MPS (Mazdaspeed) guise later down the track.

So, will all of this make it the new compact segment leader? Arguably so in an aesthetic sense - compared to the Chevrolet Cruze, Honda Civic, Ford Focus and Volkswagen Golf it is a sculptural delight. What do you think - should the other compact main players be worried or look away unfazed?
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:44 PM   #30
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Still a speculative render. Yawn.
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:52 PM   #31
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I am here for the MS3 version..
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:48 PM   #32
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I am here for the MS3 version..
This. Or the diesel.

Edit: And Mazdaspeed2!
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:02 PM   #33
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This. Or the diesel.

Edit: And Mazdaspeed2!
Even a base 3 with a manual would probably be a hoot. I heart Mazdas.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:13 PM   #34
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Even a base 3 with a manual would probably be a hoot. I heart Mazdas.
Me, too. I have 2012 Mazda3 Skyactiv. Good times for a pretty small amount of gas. It's been great to me for 20,000 miles.
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:54 PM   #35
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I'd love to see mazda answer ford's fiesta ST with a MS2...
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:58 PM   #36
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Me, too. I have 2012 Mazda3 Skyactiv. Good times for a pretty small amount of gas. It's been great to me for 20,000 miles.
I like the 2015 design potential, but seriously considering grabbing one of the leftover current gens. All the new 3s are going to be manufactured in Mexico.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:13 PM   #37
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I'd love to see mazda answer ford's fiesta ST with a MS2...
I'd really love to see them do it AND give it AWD, even though that will never happen. I'd laugh my ass off after everyone complaining to ford if mazda was like "yeah we'll do that".
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:57 PM   #38
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I'd really love to see them do it AND give it AWD, even though that will never happen. I'd laugh my ass off after everyone complaining to ford if mazda was like "yeah we'll do that".
Just a MS offering would be great. I don't know if awd would happen, but we can dream!
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Why ruin it with AWD?
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Why ruin it with AWD?
This. Save it for suvs and bigger, more expensive cars like the 6.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:38 AM   #41
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I like the 2015 design potential, but seriously considering grabbing one of the leftover current gens. All the new 3s are going to be manufactured in Mexico.
What do ya got against Mexicans?
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:43 AM   #42
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This. Save it for suvs and bigger, more expensive cars like the 6.
;o GMC Acadia and it's sister variants has the better interior room layout but the Mazda CX-9 has the better handling. It's too bad we never get to see how far the AWD systems can go in order to prove how on-par they are with Subaru's system (Tribeca mostly).

WTB Tribeca replacement please ;D!
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What do ya got against Mexicans?
I don't really trust people getting paid <$5 an hour to put together my car.
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What do ya got against Mexicans?
Word. Even if he buys a current Mazda the engine parts (about 16% of the car) would have been built in Mexico and then shipped to Japan before being installed in the Japanese chassis (which was designed by Ford).

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I don't really trust people getting paid <$5 an hour to put together my car.
You do realize that $5/hour would put someone solidly in the middle class in Mexico, right? You have to consider cost of living.. it's not like they're hiring burnouts at $5/hr like they would be in the US.
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:49 PM   #45
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Word. Even if he buys a current Mazda the engine parts (about 16% of the car) would have been built in Mexico and then shipped to Japan before being installed in the Japanese chassis (which was designed by Ford).



You do realize that $5/hour would put someone solidly in the middle class in Mexico, right? You have to consider cost of living.. it's not like they're hiring burnouts at $5/hr like they would be in the US.
Yes, I do understand cost of living. I do not have any information on the quality of workers they get in Mexico. I know that Mexico does not have a reputation for high-quality manufacturing and that may or may not be fair to determine the quality of a car made there. I know US companies have made cars in Mexico for quite a while, but they don't exactly epitomize reliability either (until recently).

I am a snob for wanting a car built somewhere with a significant history of car manufacturing. In my mind, maybe the Japanese workers will have a little more pride and care when building a product knowing it's for a company based in Japan. Good to know the additional info about engine parts.

Balancing reasons for waiting or buying sooner. Being built in Mexico is a negative for waiting. We'll see when more details come out and I have more information.

I like the Ford chassis.
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Yes, I do understand cost of living. I do not have any information on the quality of workers they get in Mexico. I know that Mexico does not have a reputation for high-quality manufacturing and that may or may not be fair to determine the quality of a car made there. I know US companies have made cars in Mexico for quite a while, but they don't exactly epitomize reliability either (until recently).

I am a snob for wanting a car built somewhere with a significant history of car manufacturing. In my mind, maybe the Japanese workers will have a little more pride and care when building a product knowing it's for a company based in Japan. Good to know the additional info about engine parts.

Balancing reasons for waiting or buying sooner. Being built in Mexico is a negative for waiting. We'll see when more details come out and I have more information.

I like the Ford chassis.
I am with AllAWD on this. There have been too many previous manufacturers that assembled products in Mexico and have had big problems. Fiat currently, and VW in the past (not sure where they are made now).

All things equal, i'd like to see my Mazda's assembled in Japan.
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Again.. the Mazda3 engines are already hecho en Mexico.
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Pretty sure my previous 09 MS3's was built in japan.
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Again.. the Mazda3 engines are already hecho en Mexico.
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Yes, I do understand cost of living. I do not have any information on the quality of workers they get in Mexico. I know that Mexico does not have a reputation for high-quality manufacturing and that may or may not be fair to determine the quality of a car made there. I know US companies have made cars in Mexico for quite a while, but they don't exactly epitomize reliability either (until recently).

I am a snob for wanting a car built somewhere with a significant history of car manufacturing. In my mind, maybe the Japanese workers will have a little more pride and care when building a product knowing it's for a company based in Japan. Good to know the additional info about engine parts.

Balancing reasons for waiting or buying sooner. Being built in Mexico is a negative for waiting. We'll see when more details come out and I have more information.

I like the Ford chassis.
Got it. gracias
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