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Old 02-13-2013, 04:03 PM   #26
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I never had a problem biking 11 miles to work in/around San Diego with no bike lane. I did not enjoy lane splitting between busses or sharing part of a lane with cars doing 50+mph, but it was something I learned to live with. In the summer here I bike 6+ miles one way to work. Never had a problem without having a "bike lane".

How exactly does bicycling lower health insurance rates?
I ride for exercise about 20 miles a day during the summer, and 50 miles a week during the winter. on average.

Downtown Houston becomes a ghost town after 5:30pm (and empty on weekends) so it's basically just a huge playground for me.

I'd enjoy having a bike lane that I could use to get to my office. It's a 13 mile one way, and I'd do that, if not every day, at least 2 or 3 times a week. Problem is, I'm not as trusting of cars going 60 or 70 mph on a roadway marked as 45 or 50 mph with a 8' hard shoulder I could use.

What makes no sense to me is that there's hundreds of miles of railroad in Houston alone, each one gets a 15' easement on both sides of the track, and it could very easily be used to drop in bicycle lanes. But the railroad isn't willing to take the risk that a train derails and hits me and my family sues, or that there's a rock on the track that gets kicked up and hits my head, killing me. I, and I bet, other cyclists would willingly accept that possibility over people in cars that aren't going down a fixed guideway might strike us.

The same is true of utility easements, there's 45' ROW for high power transmission lines, and a lot of different locations where these are, but the companies that own these lines are afraid that they'd be liable if one of them fell and shocked me.

To all the people who don't want to share the road, or give up lanes of traffic...

Knowing the above, I guess, because you (as a single driver) don't have as much money (or lobbying power) as these big companies, you have to put up with bike lanes taking over car lanes. make a lobbying group to move these bike lanes into more practical locations, trust me, we want to be as far away from cars as you want us to be away from you
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:19 PM   #27
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It is. BTW, I got hit by a taxi in Manhattan back in '10. ****er took an angled right turn off Broadway onto Columbus (heading south) and right into me. I was going straight on Broadway. He broke his mirror off, but kept going. No real damage to me besides a bruised toe and a skinned elbow, but I was as hell.

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I remember that. Since the introduction of separated (by parked cars) bike lanes on 1st and 2nd ave I have had multiple close collisions with cars who failed to yield to me going straight since I wasn't in their line of vision.

Both of my accidents that happened would not have happened had I not been restricted in a bike lane. (pedestrian walks across the bike lane, debris that rolled into bike lane).
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:06 PM   #28
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I remember that. Since the introduction of separated (by parked cars) bike lanes on 1st and 2nd ave I have had multiple close collisions with cars who failed to yield to me going straight since I wasn't in their line of vision.

Both of my accidents that happened would not have happened had I not been restricted in a bike lane. (pedestrian walks across the bike lane, debris that rolled into bike lane).
that's a whole 'nother issue.

people do not belong in the bike lane. parked cabs do not belong in the bike lane. trash does not belong in the bike lane.

Again, I look to the netherlands, as a pedestrian, if you see a section of the roadway paved red, you know damn well to look both ways and ensure that a cyclist is not on that path, if you walk out in front of a bike, you will get hit and you will be at fault. at the least you will be called many names that you won't like.

It's like the laws of maritime, huge ships get out of the way of nothing (cars), sailboats only get out of the way of huge ships (bikes), everything else is responsible for staying out of the way of huge ships and sailboats (pedestrians). if you park in a shipping lane, you're probably going to get run over, and too damn bad.
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that's a whole 'nother issue.

people do not belong in the bike lane. parked cabs do not belong in the bike lane. trash does not belong in the bike lane.

Again, I look to the netherlands, as a pedestrian, if you see a section of the roadway paved red, you know damn well to look both ways and ensure that a cyclist is not on that path, if you walk out in front of a bike, you will get hit and you will be at fault. at the least you will be called many names that you won't like.

It's like the laws of maritime, huge ships get out of the way of nothing (cars), sailboats only get out of the way of huge ships (bikes), everything else is responsible for staying out of the way of huge ships and sailboats (pedestrians). if you park in a shipping lane, you're probably going to get run over, and too damn bad.
I wish we were like the dutch in some aspects.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:32 PM   #30
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I wish we were like the dutch in some aspects.
Yeah, but I'm neither eating nor saving my dry skin in a box though.
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:07 PM   #31
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No offense to all the bicycle lovers I think having dedicated bicycle lanes is great. But slap a plate on that thing and pay taxes (not the taxes I pay also) but the taxes added in fuel, registration, plating, etc that helps maintain these roads. I just think everyone should pay their fair share and bicyclists are getting lanes while fully helping pay for them.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:00 AM   #32
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I looked into it, and those were some of the other fees in there as well. Weight, # of axels, and even a "new bridge" fee of $45 is what my old registration had.

Then again, this is what the exits look like in CO... What a waste of ****ing money.
LOL, that's ONLY in Westminster and around Thornton and the neighborhoods warrant those kind of "exits" and bridges. The neighborhood ranges from the low-econ apartments to the well above half a million real estate. It's not exactly a waste of money if it's structurally sound and makes the city look better. Half the roads in Westminster need to be repaved but the traffic makes it implausible until summer anyway.
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What is the cost per mile/per rider? Wonder what our road system could be like if we spent the same on per mile/per car? Better or worse?
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:17 AM   #34
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What is the cost per mile/per rider? Wonder what our road system could be like if we spent the same on per mile/per car? Better or worse?
We'd have gold-paved roads.

Portland is hilarious...

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How do we measure success? Our new Portland Bicycle Plan for 2030 calls for more than a quarter of all trips to be made by bicycling by 2030.

While we donít have the ability to accurately measure bicycle mode share* for all trips, we do have a number of indicators showing that bicycle use is increasing as conditions improve for biking.


"We want >25% of all trips to be bike by 2030, but we don't have any metric for measuring that."

or less charitably...

"We know that bicycles account for a fraction of a percent of all trips, but we're not going to use that metric because it would make our agenda too clear and too obviously unrealistic."

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What is the cost per mile/per rider? Wonder what our road system could be like if we spent the same on per mile/per car? Better or worse?
I'm sure the numbers are published somewhere. I've got no idea. I'd think the better metric would be cost/mile for miles ridden, or miles driven.

as a personal calculation, I ride about 3000 miles/year, and drive about 15000 miles/year. but I suspect I'm above average on riding distances for the average american.

Here's a study put out by the UK (for the UK) https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...nts2010-03.pdf

1% of total distance traveled was by bicycle.

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:20 AM   #36
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as a personal calculation, I ride about 3000 miles/year, and drive about 15000 miles/year. but I suspect I'm above average on riding distances for the average american.
Here's a hint: Neither I nor my GF even OWN a bike. That makes my biking percentage?

I either walk or drive, depending on distance/mood. It's nice to live conveniently located within 1/2 mile of walmart, starbucks, home depot, best buy, and 100 other large retail stores.
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Here's a hint: Neither I nor my GF even OWN a bike. That makes my biking percentage?

I either walk or drive, depending on distance/mood. It's nice to live conveniently located within 1/2 mile of walmart, starbucks, home depot, best buy, and 100 other large retail stores.
if I had to guess, I'd guess the average yearly mileage for Americans is <10 miles per bike per year.

There's lots of data to back up how many miles a person drives per year, and that's anywhere between 12000 and 15000 miles per person per year. but then, that is for people who own cars, so realistically, it's probably safe to say something like >10000 miles driven per car per year.

so even if we go with a 1:1000 ratio of bicycle miles ridden to car miles driven (which since I'm guessing anyway with numbers straight out my *******) if they spend 10,000,000,000 that's 10 billion on roads every year, if they spend 10 million on bicycles it would be about right.

but I doubt any of those numbers are accurate, or even in a ballpark that's near reality drive.

but then, it's not really about individual average vehicle miles, it's overall travel miles, and percentages.

how many miles did Americans travel total last year. what percentage was by bicycle, what percentage was by car? and then how much money was spent on infrastructure for each form?

who the **** knows, and who the **** cares? besides, building paths for cyclists benefits drivers as much as cyclists cause it gets us off 'your' roads, so that muddies the waters greatly.
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building paths for cyclists benefits drivers as much as cyclists cause it gets us off 'your' roads, so that muddies the waters greatly.
We could just ban bikes from the road altogether . Walk, public transit, or drive.
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We could just ban bikes from the road altogether . Walk, public transit, or drive.
ban walking and public transit too. nothing drives a nation's economy like the need to buy a car, and gasoline, and insurance, and pay taxes on all of that.

Walking is really hurting our GDP and should be considered un-American.

the added benefit is this also helps drive the health care industry, if someone isn't biking or walking, they're sitting in a car, people get fatter and need to visit the doctor more. ipso facto, bam.
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Why not ban cars instead?
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Downtown Long Beach is going this way lately and I don't mind it at all. We don't get a ton of car traffic and they left the main road without a bike lane and put it on the road that runs parallel to it that's more neighborhoody. Seems like a smart way to go about it to me. As a plus it looks much nicer now even though we didn't grass instead of just flat a concrete dystopia like before.

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I just want to be the guy that gets the money for all the signs that are apparently need for the bike lanes. Indianapolis is unbelievable! With all the changes in making fairly free flowing 4 lane roads now somewhat congested 2 lane+bicycle lanes roads, is there any gas savings? On one road in Indy it has gone from sitting at a light for maybe one cycle, now it is 3 or 4.
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