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Old 09-12-2013, 07:32 AM   #501
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The R will more than likely still be made in Germany. Just like the others

Volkswagen has already expressed that it cost more money to make them in Mexico then to ship them from Germany. They already lose money making the R available to us, but do it for the loyalists. If the R were available year after year, I could see Mexico producing them.


Also, Gen V Haldex should be out soon.
This is also what I heard, VW does not have the capability currently to make such cars out Mexico and the cost to upgrade the plant is something that they have not expressed any desire to undertake. For now they will be made in Germany.
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:06 AM   #502
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Show me one AWD system that does not understeer. I hear those opinions, but having driven and owned the R myself, I just do not see what they are talking about personally.

But again, I have not tracked my R, perhaps when I do I will understand. My 2011 WRX understeered pretty badly coming out of turns on power. THe back end did not rotate freely either. So I guess it depends on the person driving style.

I would NOT let haldex be a determining factor in deciding between the two at all, they are too close. AS a daily driver you cannot discern any difference at all.
Yeah stock understeer was pretty horrible. Glad I'm done with that.

You'll have to let us know how it handles on the track because all of us are basically speculating and only you are in a position to give us a real, honest answer. If you think it handles great then I'll admit defeat, and even if it doesn't handle great there's still the argument that a haldex controller will completely fix it, which seems probable.

However, I think it's hard to argue that the Quattro system wouldn't be better.

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Old 09-12-2013, 09:41 AM   #503
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No you will have Zero need to admit defeat. All you will have is my opinion, which I will try to be honest, and not biased, but eveybody comes with personal baggage.

Also on Vortex the Haldex competition controller is about 899.00. It makes the haldex kick in sooner and with more verve. I have heard it really transforms the car dramatically.
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:52 PM   #504
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The R will more than likely still be made in Germany. Just like the others

Volkswagen has already expressed that it cost more money to make them in Mexico then to ship them from Germany. They already lose money making the R available to us, but do it for the loyalists. If the R were available year after year, I could see Mexico producing them.


Also, Gen V Haldex should be out soon.
The new R will have Gen V Haldex which will be nice.

Also, there is talk that the Golf R may be joining the line up full time like it has in Europe. The Mk6 Golf R came out in 2010 in Europe. So we may not have to wait 4 years for this one. The Mk6 broke a few rules compared to the R32s where they were limited runs and the R was available over a few years.

The R may also not be out of Mexico due to the differences in its make up. Maybe the production line in Mexico cannot take on an AWD version etc etc.
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:14 PM   #505
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I wonder if Recaro seats will still be offered for the ROW onlyor will we see them as an option. If not I hope that the cloths from the show will be offered so I can take the money savings and buy my own Recaro seats.
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:38 PM   #506
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^Why do you need Recaro seats?
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Old 09-12-2013, 04:18 PM   #507
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^Why do you need Recaro seats?
Oh I don't need it, I just want it.
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Old 09-12-2013, 04:52 PM   #508
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Oh I don't need it, I just want it.
Because Recaro=Sex



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Old 09-12-2013, 05:03 PM   #509
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not only that, you stay in place when turning, unlike the new wrx/sti seats where you slide around in corners, i even find my 07 seats not as supportive and they hold you better.
the recaros look sick

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Old 09-12-2013, 05:10 PM   #510
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Well you are right of course alpha, but the OEM seats in the 2013 Golf R are not recaros and they grip you like a kitten on carpet.
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:38 PM   #511
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Well you are right of course alpha, but the OEM seats in the 2013 Golf R are not recaros and they grip you like a kitten on carpet.
I will agree with you on that point, but I still want the Recaro's.
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:39 PM   #512
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Because Recaro=Sex



Yes that's what I'm talking about, the good stuff...
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:13 PM   #513
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not only that, you stay in place when turning, unlike the new wrx/sti seats where you slide around in corners, i even find my 07 seats not as supportive and they hold you better.
the recaros look sick
This is a deliberate move by Subaru. Due to the obesity epidemic of America they have decided that hip abductor muscles need a workout if you decide to get some g's going. It's like positive reinforcement.

Seriously though, these seats are an embarrassment for such high performing vehicles. They need to take lessons from Mitsubishi and Volkswagen. I get bruises on my knees after autocrosses from holding myself in place

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Old 09-12-2013, 07:11 PM   #514
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This is a deliberate move by Subaru. Due to the obesity epidemic of America they have decided that hip abductor muscles need a workout if you decide to get some g's going. It's like positive reinforcement.

Seriously though, these seats are an embarrassment for such high performing vehicles. They need to take lessons from Mitsubishi and Volkswagen. I get bruises on my knees after autocrosses from holding myself in place
The full leather WRX seats are like ejector seats if you decide to deploy your fists of ham and chuck it into a corner. They are so slippery, your butt doesn't stand a chance!
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I am going to let you guys on a secret an old track rat told me about. All you need is
14" x 14" of this laid flat on the bottom of seat..



Put this down and YOU WILL not move, at least your butt won't

I use this when I race my Z. And it has next to zero lumbars and thigh bolsters. IT really works well. 2000 dollars recaros, or 3.99 worth of drawer liner.
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:06 PM   #516
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I am going to let you guys on a secret an old track rat told me about. All you need is
14" x 14" of this laid flat on the bottom of seat..



Put this down and YOU WILL not move, at least your butt won't

I use this when I race my Z. And it has next to zero lumbars and thigh bolsters. IT really works well. 2000 dollars recaros, or 3.99 worth of drawer liner.


To home depot I go! I am going to put this to the test on sunday. If it works I will write subaru telling them to include a roll standard
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:14 PM   #517
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just a note.

I have not used this on cloth seats, but on 1970 vinyl and modern leather seats, this is the best 4 bucks you can spend.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:12 AM   #518
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Wow the interior looks nice!! Those seats look amazing!
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:22 AM   #519
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The new R will have Gen V Haldex which will be nice.

Also, there is talk that the Golf R may be joining the line up full time like it has in Europe. The Mk6 Golf R came out in 2010 in Europe. So we may not have to wait 4 years for this one. The Mk6 broke a few rules compared to the R32s where they were limited runs and the R was available over a few years.

The R may also not be out of Mexico due to the differences in its make up. Maybe the production line in Mexico cannot take on an AWD version etc etc.
I would probably jump in line in couple years or so. My lease will be up, and I enjoyed my two MKVI Rs a lot.. Just lacked the raw power- but in the end I missed the refinement. Hoping it comes in DSG as well, I just had foot surgery and it pains me every day. I'll probably never be the same. Plus, look up the time differences in the current US R vs a Euro DSG with tuned and without. Huge diff.
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I would probably jump in line in couple years or so. My lease will be up, and I enjoyed my two MKVI Rs a lot.. Just lacked the raw power- but in the end I missed the refinement. Hoping it comes in DSG as well, I just had foot surgery and it pains me every day. I'll probably never be the same. Plus, look up the time differences in the current US R vs a Euro DSG with tuned and without. Huge diff.
Honestly I hope it comes in DSG also. I want this car to sell, I want VW to make a killing off of it, so we can get some more options from VW. I don't see that happening if they don't offer DSG.
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:42 AM   #521
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A focus on the White R from the show, that front lip that they're using on the R is really unique and adds to the overall exterior appeal.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:07 AM   #522
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anybody else jazzed at the 7500 rpm redline

I am also pretty stoked at the summer tires instead of all seasons, and the 235 tread width.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:36 AM   #523
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anybody else jazzed at the 7500 rpm redline
Very nice indeed. I think this is a product of switching from the EA113 to the EA888. Simply a better design. The next gen R is shaping up to be something special for sure.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:42 AM   #524
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I really enjoyed the DSG in my MKV. It worked very well. I really thought I was going to miss the 6-speed on the 08 STi I had but loved the flexibility of the DSG. If I get the R I will buy an old Miata to turn into a "toy" and get a 5-speed to quench that thirst if it arises.

The 2015 WRX/STI will really have to be stellar to prevent me from plunking down a deposit on a new R next summer
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:45 AM   #525
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The 2015 WRX/STI will really have to be stellar to prevent me from plunking down a deposit on a new R next summer
What he said^^^
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