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Old 02-13-2013, 01:13 PM   #1
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Default Chemical Guys sealants?

Okay, just got a new car, and I want to try my hand at protecting the paint with an acrylic sealant.

People here (and around the web) seem to have very good things to say about Chemical Guys' products, but I'm experiencing some information overload even just considering their lines of sealant.

They have:
-Blitz Acrylic sealant (Spray)
-FS Factory Sealant
-M-seal sealant
-Jetseal 109

Lots of marketing gobbledygook featuring heavy use of terms like "nano" "particles" "tech" "bond", etc. in the product descriptions, but no real information about how these products differ in intended application or use.

Blitz is the only one that's a spray, the rest are cremes, and Jetseal costs 2X+ any of the others, which all cost about the same.

I'm looking for something to use as a LSP, that will provide both protection AND shine, on a daily driven car with metallic paint. Which is my best bet to try, if I pick only ONE of the products to try?

How do these compare to other sealant products I've heard about, like Klasse SG and Blackfire Wet Diamond?
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:37 AM   #2
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Have you done any reading on autopia? That's the go-to place for detailing product reviews and discussion.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:07 PM   #3
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Yes, there and autogeek are my go-to places for detailing info.

People seemed to rave about Jetseal when it was released, but it seems to have fallen out of favor lately.

Wolfgang's Deep Gloss Paint Shine 3.0 and Blackfire Wet Diamond seem to be the hot sealants now. Especially the liquid/spray versions, which are wipe-on, walk away type treatments. I'm tempted to try those instead, simply due to ease of application.

Guess I'm answering my own question here...
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:16 PM   #4
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I'm interested to hear others opinions on this as well. I will be doing some details/paint corrections this season in my spare time and want to find products that people have had success using before experimenting for myself, particularly with sealants as I have never used a good paint sealant before, nor do I know what to look for in a good sealant. I'll def be doing more research on autopia and DD before making any decisions.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:52 PM   #5
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Well, my laziness won out, and I ordered 4oz of Blackfire Crystal Seal.

Supposed to impart similar look & protection as Blackfire Wet Diamond, but in a wipe-on, walk away spray sealant. I'll post up some pics when I use it, though the car is already looking good since it's new paint.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:22 PM   #6
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Are you looking for maximum durability? I would get some Collinite #845

I have Jetseal 109 in my aresenal, but it is not as durable and is more for returning a better finish.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:20 PM   #7
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Are you looking for maximum durability? I would get some Collinite #845.
YES
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Old 02-17-2013, 12:18 AM   #8
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I am a active member on detailing forums.
I will tell u this, MOST of the chemical guys stuff r junk, only their car wash is worth mentioning, everything else is crap
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:36 AM   #9
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I am a active member on detailing forums.
I will tell u this, MOST of the chemical guys stuff r junk, only their car wash is worth mentioning, everything else is crap
really? i just bought some of the soap, and a bottle of the antistatic finish. I've seen the antistatic used on my car before through a local detailer, and Ive got to say, i think it works. it kept the dust off the car for a lot longer and gave it a wet sheen.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:39 AM   #10
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I just bought a snowfoam lance and mr pink soap from chemical guys here in san diego. My neighborhood smelled like cotton candy and bubblegum.
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Old 02-17-2013, 12:27 PM   #11
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Chemical Guys products are actually great once you get through the gimmicks.

I usually use Mr pink, butter wet wax and then finish things up with lava.
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:30 PM   #12
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HIGHLY recommend Collinite 845! liquid and tin! the shine and feel of it is absolutely amazing! its about 16-20$ a bottle. not sure about tin but id imagine around the same price
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:04 PM   #13
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I will tell u this, MOST of the chemical guys stuff r junk, only their car wash is worth mentioning, everything else is crap

You cannot exceed your expectations for them. Remember, I still believe they are in the tier of consumer friendly products and applications.

Of course we all know there are better products out there, but one has to make their own judgement be having first hand experience. I never religiously stick to one brand or product, I always test around because each car requires different treatment.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:05 PM   #14
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Here is a guide on how to use Collinite #845. If you are going to use it, please read.


http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...ndary-wax.html
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:07 PM   #15
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Yes, there and autogeek are my go-to places for detailing info.

People seemed to rave about Jetseal when it was released, but it seems to have fallen out of favor lately.

Wolfgang's Deep Gloss Paint Shine 3.0 and Blackfire Wet Diamond seem to be the hot sealants now. Especially the liquid/spray versions, which are wipe-on, walk away type treatments. I'm tempted to try those instead, simply due to ease of application.

Guess I'm answering my own question here...
I actually like Black fire all surface paint sealant over jetseal 109. Its easier to work with and returns a better finish/result...... *** in my own personal experiences ***
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:59 AM   #16
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HIGHLY recommend Collinite 845! liquid and tin! the shine and feel of it is absolutely amazing! its about 16-20$ a bottle. not sure about tin but id imagine around the same price
845 is only available in liquid (the caps on those bottles are notorious for breaking). You may be thinking of their 425 or 915 re: pastes.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:46 PM   #17
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Yes, there and autogeek are my go-to places for detailing info.

People seemed to rave about Jetseal when it was released, but it seems to have fallen out of favor lately.

Wolfgang's Deep Gloss Paint Shine 3.0 and Blackfire Wet Diamond seem to be the hot sealants now. Especially the liquid/spray versions, which are wipe-on, walk away type treatments. I'm tempted to try those instead, simply due to ease of application.

Guess I'm answering my own question here...
DGPS has been around for a while now as well as WOWAs like UPGP and Optimum Opti-Seal.

IMO/IME, new products/technologies will usually get the spotlight but good ones tend to keep popping up in conversations as they are rediscovered by new users (or recommended by others). Search for products like Collinite 845/425/915, Finish Kare 1000P, Klasse SG, etc on detailing sites like Autopia.org and you'll see what I mean.

IMO, semi-perm nano sealants and permanent tech products like Opti-Coat are the new wave. As they become more consumer friendly their popularity will grow. There are even sealants you can spray on and rinse off (making application even easier). Its an exciting time for detailing products and technologies.
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:48 PM   #18
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DGPS has been around for a while now as well as WOWAs like UPGP and Optimum Opti-Seal.

IMO/IME, new products/technologies will usually get the spotlight but good ones tend to keep popping up in conversations as they are rediscovered by new users (or recommended by others). Search for products like Collinite 845/425/915, Finish Kare 1000P, Klasse SG, etc on detailing sites like Autopia.org and you'll see what I mean.

IMO, semi-perm nano sealants and permanent tech products like Opti-Coat are the new wave. As they become more consumer friendly their popularity will grow. There are even sealants you can spray on and rinse off (making application even easier). Its an exciting time for detailing products and technologies.
agreed. once i got the hang of opti-guard i never looked back. it literally has made my life better...combined with opti-clean and no rinse.

the guy has a true glass sealant now that has been tested to show impact/chip resistance, and a reformulated coating just for polycarbonate that will (mark my words) be the end all and be all of headlight correction coatings.

coatings will definitely grab a huge part of the marketshare as we move forward. it's be slow because people have a hard time believing the hype (which for OOC is true).

it's amazing and i love every bit of it.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:57 PM   #19
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My friend has used jetseal and I've used it on my wheels. Its a good product. Chemical guys makes great stuff but their marketing is confusing. I agree with the above about collinite 845. For the money u can't beat it. Also consider what you want out of your wax/sealant? You want a certain look. Deep vs reflective? Durability? Sealants tend to last longer than waxes. Are you willing to reapply every month to keep that just waxed look or do you want to apply twice a year and forget about it? With waxes that go on and off so easy these days there's no reason not to apply ever couple of months. If you have a light color like white or silver I'd definitely recommend a sealant over wax. Jetseal is good but I think there are sealants that are just as good for less or better. Check out dodo juice iron gloss? I have some dodo juice supernatural hybrid wax that is an amazing wax that beads water really tight but it is pricey
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:46 AM   #20
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+1 for Jetseal 109, great stuff. goes on simple lasts. I normaly do my paint correction with PoorBoys World SSR line and then polish. I then use Black Light, and top off with Jetseal, and Nattys Liquid Blue.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:32 AM   #21
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I've been using CG's blacklight for a while now. Excellent stuff, advertised as an AIO, it does clean up minor marring and leaves a nice smooth finish behind. (Smells good too FWIW.)
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:18 AM   #22
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Chemical Guys is a great line. As one of the old school Autopia.org guys, I was there before the server crashed and lost a lot and before it was sold. I can tell you this, there were many companies back then that would pay Chemical Guys to make a product to their specs ( color and smell) and slap their label on it. Chemical Guys is usually on the front for new technology.

But yeah- this detailing section is surprising me more and more each day. Keep up the great work. Also, don't fall in love with one line. There are some truely special products out there, like 303, which there are no substitutes for the non pro.

It crazy hearing about Collinite. I would use that as my winter wax for my daily driver.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:31 PM   #23
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Im about to finish useing up my bottle of Wolfs body wrap last year i put a coat of polish on top of it everything beaded through rain and washing for 3 months took alot of work out of cleaning the car.

Ive also tried alot of waxs im staying with a polish OBP look much better im still a hand wax noob.
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