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Old 02-14-2013, 10:37 AM   #1
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Happy Valentine's Day diesel lovers! Chrysler announced today that the Ram 1500 will offer a light-duty diesel engine when it goes into production this fall. Using the same turbocharged 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V6 recently introduced in the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, the Ram 1500 is expected to get even better fuel economy than the current 2013 model's best-in-class 25 miles per gallon on the highway.

Power output has not been released for the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, but in the Grand Cherokee, this engine produces 240 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque, and it will be paired with Chrysler's eight-speed automatic transmission. This has definitely been a busy and exciting year for the Ram division, bringing home major awards such as the 2013 North American Truck of the Year, 2013 Motor Trend Truck of the Year and 2013 Truck of Texas not to mention the recent announcement that the Ram HD models will offer a best-in-class towing capacity of 30,000 pounds
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Ram to Build Industry's Only Light-duty Diesel Pickup3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel to deliver best-in-class fuel economy, a title already owned by the 2013 Ram 1500

-Clean diesel features low CO2 emissions and impressive V-6 capability
-Diesel engines praised for outstanding range and torque
-Ram first to market with game-changing technologies

February 14, 2013 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - Beginning in third-quarter 2013, Ram will become the only brand to offer a small-displacement diesel for its half-ton line of trucks.

The 2014 Ram 1500 will offer a new, 3.0-liter EcoDiesel engine, mated with the eight-speed TorqueFlite automatic transmission. The powertrain is expected to deliver an outstanding combination of best-in-class fuel efficiency, best-in-class torque and impressive capability.

"Truck owners have been emphatically asking for it, and Ram will be the only manufacturer to offer a diesel powertrain in the half-ton segment with the 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel," said Fred Diaz, President and CEO - Ram Truck Brand and Chrysler de Mexico, Chrysler Group LLC. "The half-ton truck market is incredibly competitive, and although we're honored the Ram 1500 has received a number of prestigious awards, we cannot rest on what we have accomplished, we must keep pushing."

The 2013 Ram 1500 won Motor Trend's Truck of the Year, The North American Truck of the Year and Truck of Texas -- a rare trifecta in the pickup segment. Building on the award-winning truck, the 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel will further stretch its best-in-class fuel economy title lead and continue to raise the innovation bar in one of the automotive industry's most customer-loyal segments.

"The Ram 1500 with 3.0-liter V-6 turbo EcoDiesel and TorqueFlite eight-speed transmission deliver on the demands of truckers by providing best-in-class torque, fuel economy and range. There's no doubt that being the only truck manufacturer to offer this game changing technology will provide Ram with a competitive advantage."

The new 3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel is among today's most advanced diesel engines. Its emissions are 60 percent less than those produced by diesel powertrains 25 years ago. The impressive combination of torque and fuel economy marks new levels of performance for small V-6 engines.

Ram's newest turbo diesel engine is manufactured by VM Motori, a Chrysler Group diesel engine supplier since 1992.

Over the past 10 months, the Ram Truck brand has set an aggressive product cadence. Ram's big push began in April 2012 with the introduction of the Ram 1500 with class-leading 25 mpg fuel efficiency and innovative features such as Active Level four-corner air suspension.

The Ram Brand followed that news with the launch of the Ram 2500 and 3500 Heavy Duty pickups. Their 30,000-pound trailer-tow rating – more than three tons more than their closest competitor -- and 850 lb.-ft. of torque are at the top of their class. Most recently, Ram introduced the new 2014 Ram ProMaster van with its own list of best-in-class features, including fuel efficiency, payload, cargo capacity and lowest cost of ownership.

About Ram Truck Brand
The Ram Truck brand continues to establish its own identity and clearly define its customer since its launch as a standalone vehicle brand. Creating a distinct brand for Ram trucks has allowed the brand to concentrate on how core customers use their trucks and what new features they'd like to see. Whether focusing on a family that uses its half-ton truck day in and day out, a hard-working Ram Heavy Duty owner or a business that depends on its commercial vehicles every day, Ram has the truck market covered.

The Ram Truck brand has the most innovative lineup of full-size trucks on the market. Ram Truck has emerged as a full-size truck leader by investing substantially in new products, infusing them with great looks, refined interiors, durable engines and features that further enhance their capabilities. Truck customers, from half-ton to commercial, have a demanding range of needs and require their vehicles to provide high levels of capability. Ram trucks are designed to deliver a total package.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:36 AM   #2
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:59 AM   #3
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My interest is piqued, could be my next new car.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:01 PM   #4
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Should have put this in my 2012 Jeep!
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Nice !! Too bad dodge did away with the front solid axle in the 1500 rams
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:24 PM   #7
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Not only this, but all of the big 3 are using electric power steering in their 1/2 ton trucks, iirc. This means that they can't take snow plows, adding insult to injury on top of their often-paltry payload ratings for loaded, crew cab versions.

Perfect: A giant truck that's not actually useful for truck stuff.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:40 PM   #8
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Not only this, but all of the big 3 are using electric power steering in their 1/2 ton trucks, iirc. This means that they can't take snow plows, adding insult to injury on top of their often-paltry payload ratings for loaded, crew cab versions.

Perfect: A giant truck that's not actually useful for truck stuff.
Will it still take an 8" lift and impress the girls at the barn dance and/or mall? Sounds like it's useful for truck stuff to me then.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:43 PM   #9
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Not only this, but all of the big 3 are using electric power steering in their 1/2 ton trucks, iirc. This means that they can't take snow plows,
Pardon my ignorance.. do pick-ups with plows generally use the power steering pump as the hydraulic pump to lift the blade?
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:58 PM   #10
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Pardon my ignorance.. do pick-ups with plows generally use the power steering pump as the hydraulic pump to lift the blade?
No, most are electrically driven these days. EPS will burn out with the extra load from the weight and pull of the plow, as far as I can gather.

(For the record, I believe Ford has certified a single trim of their F-150, 6.2L V8 only, for plow use.)
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:11 PM   #11
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No, most are electrically driven these days. EPS will burn out with the extra load from the weight and pull of the plow, as far as I can gather.

(For the record, I believe Ford has certified a single trim of their F-150, 6.2L V8 only, for plow use.)
Is it that big of a deal to buy an F-250 for plow duty? That's pretty rough work on the truck, I'd think you'd want one anyway.
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from what I read some plow manufactures have been able to navigate around this by making the peak power load well within Ford Specs.
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Is it that big of a deal to buy an F-250 for plow duty? That's pretty rough work on the truck, I'd think you'd want one anyway.
If I were choosing a truck based on its ability to handle a plow I'd go for a gas F-350 with the plow prep package, but the point is that there exist hordes of F-150 owners who probably didn't anticipate their vehicles' limitations beforehand. (Why gas? Less weight so more clearance before reaching the FGAWR.)

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Please note that only 2013 MY and later F-150 Super Cab and Super Crew pick-up, with 6.2L engine and XLT, FX, Lariat and Platinum trim levels are capable of snow plow installation. This bulletin does not apply to other 2013 MY F-150 pick-ups or previous model years.
I can't find a link on ramtrucks.com at the moment, but I'm quite certain that the 1500 isn't rated for snow plows. The 2013-previous GM trucks have a plow prep package but for 2014 they're going to EPS, too…
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If I were choosing a truck based on its ability to handle a plow I'd go for a gas F-350 with the plow prep package, but the point is that there exist hordes of F-150 owners who probably didn't anticipate their vehicles' limitations beforehand. (Why gas? Less weight so more clearance before reaching the FGAWR.)
You can still plow with a new F150, you just need a special plow. I don't see why it's a big deal. If you want to use a snow plow a new $40k truck is probably a terrible way to to do but it will still work if you insist.

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Yes Ford initially prohibited any plow on the 2011 F-150 however Snoway's EIS system and hydraulics were tested by Ford and while they will not promote them they have stated they are acceptable for use on not only the 2011 F-150 but the F-150 ECOboost.
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Now they can be heckled by cummins fan boys.

Seriously though, this is great news. I can't wait to see what the next 5 years will be like for light duty diesel.
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Sounds like the perfect truck to replace my 08 hemi when it dies.
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Dont get me wrong, I think its great dodge is putting a diesel in the 1500, I truely hope the GM and Ford follow the trend aswell. But I do hate that all the big 3 did away with solid front axles in the 1/2 ton models.

Im really hopping that jeep throws the v6 diesel in the wrangler too, I would gladly pay the premium for it.
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I question durability of this engine.... if it's italian made ( and i think it will be since the Fiat is there) if it gets the same reliablity as the 2.8L CRD they put in the jeep libery, it will be a POS.


This is not the Benz engine....although these too had there share of problems..
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Pricing will be interesting to see. You can't get a JGC for under $43k with a diesel.
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I question durability of this engine.... if it's italian made ( and i think it will be since the Fiat is there) if it gets the same reliablity as the 2.8L CRD they put in the jeep libery, it will be a POS.


This is not the Benz engine....although these too had there share of problems..

The reliability problems from those engines mostly stemmed from the EGR valve. European emissions are completely opposite from North america emissions. The problem is the engine had to be tuned completely to the other side of the spectrum and the extra soot caused the EGR to clog up all the time.

Most people with the VM motori engine in the states learned this and got a different tune which solved the problem.

European and U.S. emissions will be in line with each other by 2015, so i'm sure the 2014 engine was designed to run well into the future will little modifications. I don't think it'll have the same soot problems of the previous engine which was simply a retuned euro engine.
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The reliability problems from those engines mostly stemmed from the EGR valve. European emissions are completely opposite from North america emissions. The problem is the engine had to be tuned completely to the other side of the spectrum and the extra soot caused the EGR to clog up all the time.

Most people with the VM motori engine in the states learned this and got a different tune which solved the problem.

European and U.S. emissions will be in line with each other by 2015, so i'm sure the 2014 engine was designed to run well into the future will little modifications. I don't think it'll have the same soot problems of the previous engine which was simply a retuned euro engine.
Are the NOx requirements converging? That is the biggest difference between US and Euro regs, IMO.
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Are the NOx requirements converging? That is the biggest difference between US and Euro regs, IMO.
Yes, both NOX and Particulate matter will be set to very low levels. The grand cherokee will use diesel exhaust fluid this year. I'm betting the Ram will as well.

Tuning for DEF means going with a colder tune, while freeing up the exhaust, and using a stainless steel catalyst(it's not a muffler, though it's used as one). Tuning it colder means it inherently has very little particulate matter. The engine is also much more efficient since it's runs cooler and the exhaust is very free.

Tuning for a particular filter means running the engine much hotter so it inherently has little NOX, but it creates lots of soot(particulate matter). So you add a filter into the exhaust which catches the soot, then a fuel injector into the filter to burn the particulate matter off. This restricts the exhaust alot, loses efficiency and wastes fuel to burn the particulate matter.

In 2016 for large engines which i'm familiar with, they'll need a combination of both technologies to achieve Euro and NA emissions regulations. Smaller engines are a different story. You may be able to get away with having only 1 of the technologies provided the levels are low enough.

Euro 6 emssions standards will go into effect by 2015, and NA emssions standards will change in 2016. They are now both very low in NOX and PM. So you'll start to see euro engines coming to america very quickly by 2015.
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this or the new hemi 1500 with 8 speed will be a possibility for replacing my 2010 f250 turbo diesel king ranch.

i only need to haul about 8k lbs once in a blue moon. if dodge can do it and get decent mpg. i may go that route. the new interior is really nice, and having an airbag suspension means it will be much more comfy.
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