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Old 06-28-2013, 03:52 PM   #751
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it's s good move for him to move to LMP1's - he doesn't have to worry about botching the standing start!
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:02 PM   #752
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it's s good move for him to move to LMP1's - he doesn't have to worry about botching the standing start!
Isn't he pretty bad at restarts after a safety car too?
At least he's going with Porsche thus time. There's something about MB and Le Mans...
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:36 PM   #753
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By Jonathan Noble Thursday, June 27th 2013, 18:27 GMT

Mark Webber and Christian HornerRed Bull boss Christian Horner has revealed that he had only a few minutes' warning that Mark Webber was quitting Formula 1.

Webber announced on Thursday morning that he had signed a deal to join Porsche's new LMP1 sportscar programme from the start of next year.

The news was a surprise many, including Horner himself, who revealed that he was one of the last to find out.

"I had a call from Mark this morning at about 9am," said Horner, when asked by AUTOSPORT when he learned Webber was leaving.

"I spoke with him and he said that he had reached this decision. He obviously decided that the timing is now right for him to make that step in his career, and all we can do is wish him the best of luck in the future."

Horner's late notification of the Webber news, with the Australian claiming his mind had been made up for some time and that he informed Red Bull founder Dietrich Mateschitz, has fuelled speculation of ongoing tensions within the team.

AUTOSPORT's Edd Straw assesses Webber's F1 career

Webber insisted on Thursday that the timing of the announcement was not made to annoy his current employer, although Horner suggested the matter could have been handled better.

"I think he has obviously decided to take things into his own hands," said Horner. "The guys in the factory are a bit more disappointed that they read it on the Internet rather than heard something direct. But that is the way these things are sometimes."

When asked if Webber could have given the team more notice, Horner said: "I suppose an hour's notice is a bit short... but a decision for a driver to retire can only come from him.

"Mark is quite a private person. He reached this decision and then obviously communicated it today."

CONFIDENT OF WEBBER'S COMMITMENT

Mark WebberWhile expressing some frustration at the way the day's events had panned out, Horner said there was no doubt Webber would continue to do his best for the team over the remainder of the campaign.

"That is what he is employed to do; to drive for the team and do the very best that he can for the team, as are both drivers," he said.

"I am sure he will do that. He has obviously done a great job with the team over the past few years and we fully expect him to drive with the same commitment and determination in his remaining 12 races."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108330

So who will be taking his seat?
So what exactly is Horner supposed to be pissed about? They're not even halfway through the season and the press is trying to start rumors that that wasn't enough notice for RBR to make plans for next year? They're out of their ****ing minds. Webber's leaving at the end of the season after putting up with RBR's politics for years and apparently he's STILL being blamed for not thinking of the team first!

Did Horner and Co. really think he'd stay around forever, especially considering how things have been in recent years? Was his decision really a surprise? Poor RBR! How will they ever find someone to drive the #2 car on such short notice?!
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:55 PM   #754
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Isn't he pretty bad at restarts after a safety car too?
At least he's going with Porsche thus time. There's something about MB and Le Mans...
well, Porsche knows their **** too

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Old 06-28-2013, 05:21 PM   #755
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well, Porsche knows their **** too

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For some reason, that slipped my mind in the 5 minutes preceeding my post.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:15 PM   #756
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I think Kimi should stick with Lotus and really form the team. He says he has a lot of freedom there, so he should make it "his" team and instill a culture there (which recognize and weeds out his major unaccpetable faults).

Giving him such form of ownership should let him thrive.

What a comeback.
I agree. This would be optimal. Let him build the team, and develop the car he needs. Hope the Lotus money issues don't get in the way.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:17 AM   #757
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Hope the Lotus money issues don't get in the way.
this is what i'm wondering. if this money issue for real, or is it more media propaganda? they have a front running team with a world champion driver, why would they be having a hard time attracting money?
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:54 AM   #758
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this is what i'm wondering. if this money issue for real, or is it more media propaganda? they have a front running team with a world champion driver, why would they be having a hard time attracting money?
I wonder this as well. I did read an article a while back where they said they were being picky about their big name sponsors.
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Lotus has another problem: their front suspension is declared illegal by the officials, they have to change it until Hockenheim.
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I would like to see Kimi behind the wheel of one of the Bull's, if they can stay competitive next season. Though seeing as how I'm a McLaren fan, there's only one way for Red Bull to go, and that is down.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:27 PM   #761
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Lotus has another problem: their front suspension is declared illegal by the officials, they have to change it until Hockenheim.
I hope you mean the Nurbugring, because I'm going to be pissed if i drive to the wrong track next weekend.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:39 PM   #762
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my bad, Nürburgring
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:18 AM   #763
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latest rumor: Sauber has financial problems, delayed payment for Hülkenberg

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New Jersey

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...rand-prix.html

say hello to two tire tests, I bet it will be Ferrari and RedBull

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Old 07-02-2013, 05:35 PM   #765
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I'm bringing it up again because it's relevant; Mercedes' YDT ban should appease those who said it was too lenient now that teams are allowed to test with their 2013 cars and race drivers and they are sitting it out.

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Formula 1's race drivers will now be permitted to take part in the Silverstone Young Driver Test from July 17 as the FIA seeks an "urgent solution" for the sport's tyre problems.

Pending the formal approval of the World Motor Sport Council of the requested change to the regulations, regular drivers will be allowed to run "provided it is clear that the purpose of them doing this is to test tyres for Pirelli" and not on any other regular team-specific development work.

Mercedes, however, will still not take part "in the interests of the sport" in wake of their previous ban imposed by the Intentional Tribunal for participating in an unauthorised tyre test after the Spanish GP.

The FIA has also suggested that the three-day test in the gap between the German and Hungarian GPs from July 17-19 "may" also be extended by an extra day.

Speaking in an statement released on Monday evening, FIA President Jean Todt made clear that the events of Sunday's British GP - when five cars experienced tyre blow-outs - represented a "genuine safety concern for the drivers".

"Our priority is to ensure safety for all in Formula 1 and we believe the incidents at Silverstone represent a genuine safety concern for the drivers," Todt said.

"We have thus taken the decision to alter the Young Driver Test to allow teams to use drivers they deem fit to carry out tyre development work in a bid to solve the problems we saw at the British Grand Prix. I believe it is fitting to carry out this work at the circuit upon which the issues were manifested."

Significantly, the FIA also revealed that it had asked the WMSC for approval to change Article 12.6.3 of F1's Technical Regulations to "allow for a modification of the specification of the tyres during the Championship season without the unanimous agreement of all competing teams".

Pirelli's previous attempts to revise their compounds and constructions this season had been blocked by some teams with the existing regulations only currently permitting the Italian firm to make changes for performance reasons if all teams agree.

The FIA, which says both measures have been taken to give them the opportunity to take all "necessary actions to ensure safety", has also asked Pirelli for an assurance that there will be no repeat of the tyre failures witnessed at Silverstone at this weekend's German GP or any future grands prix.

Pirelli have yet to reveal the results of their in-house investigations into the multiple failures and the measures they will take to avoid a repeat at the Nurburgring this weekend, although this announcement is expected imminently.

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'FIA seeks solution to Silverstone tyre failures:

'In light of a number of significant tyre failures at last weekend's British Grand Prix, Jean Todt today said that the FIA is determined to seek an urgent solution to the problem and as such the FIA will change the format of this month's Formula One Young Driver Test.

'"Our priority is to ensure safety for all in Formula One and we believe the incidents at Silverstone represent a genuine safety concern for the drivers," said President Todt. "We have thus taken the decision to alter the Young Driver Test to allow teams to use drivers they deem fit to carry out tyre development work in a bid to solve the problems we saw at the British Grand Prix. I believe it is fitting to carry out this work at the circuit upon which the issues were manifested."

'The test, scheduled for July 17-19 at Silverstone, will now allow teams to field drivers who have competed in more than two F1 World Championship events provided it is clear that the purpose of them doing this is to test tyres for Pirelli. The test may also be extended by one day.

'To provide for this, the FIA today informed Formula One's teams that the approval of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) will be immediately sought for a change to article 22.4h (i) of the 2013 Formula One Sporting Regulations.

'Approval will also be sought for a change to the wording of article 12.6.3 of the 2013 Formula One Technical Regulations to allow for a modification of the specification of the tyres during the Championship season without the unanimous agreement of all competing teams.

'This will allow the FIA to take all necessary actions to ensure safety.

'Notwithstanding the revised conditions as set out above, in the interests of the sport the Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team has accepted to not participate in this test, as per the recent decision of the International Tribunal.

'In the meantime, the FIA has asked Pirelli for an assurance that there will be no repetition of the tyre problems at this weekend's German Grand Prix or at subsequent grand prix.'
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:24 PM   #766
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I think the penalty was still too lenient. The only reason why Pirelli is holding the test is because of the tyre debacle during the during the Sundays race. Merc holds a lot of political power over F1, they supply engines for four teams, you penalize Merc a huge fine, they can act like the little kid that gets butthurt and goes home, with the ball. Merc doesn’t need to race too sell cars.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:42 PM   #767
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I'd really like to see Kimi go to Red Bull. Kimi+Red Bull=I get to watch Vettel cry like the squat-to-pee racer he is when he's demoted to #2.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:14 PM   #768
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I'd like to see him beat Kimi just to see everyone come up with the next excuse that he's getting team favoritism or whatever straw there is left to grasp at when you think a 3x consecutive F1 WDC can't race.
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I'd like to see him beat Kimi just to see everyone come up with the next excuse that he's getting team favoritism or whatever straw there is left to grasp at when you think a 3x consecutive F1 WDC can't race.
No excuses. There's no doubt that he has talent and won those races on his own. In fact I was excited to see the "next Michael Schumacher" (what I like to think) take his third championship. He's always so enthusiastic and grateful when he wins, but the problem is when he's losing. He turns into a little girl (Maybe he just needs a Snickers bar?). I can't stand to watch it. I just think that If Kimi and Seb had the same team backing it would make one hell of a season!
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I'm bringing it up again because it's relevant; Mercedes' YDT ban should appease those who said it was too lenient now that teams are allowed to test with their 2013 cars and race drivers and they are sitting it out.
Is there anything stopping multiple teams (including MB) participating in the upcoming tests?
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Merc is excluded from the test at Silverstone from 17-19 Jul because of the tribunal verdict, but they can participate in any tests after that.
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No excuses. There's no doubt that he has talent and won those races on his own. In fact I was excited to see the "next Michael Schumacher" (what I like to think) take his third championship. He's always so enthusiastic and grateful when he wins, but the problem is when he's losing. He turns into a little girl (Maybe he just needs a Snickers bar?). I can't stand to watch it. I just think that If Kimi and Seb had the same team backing it would make one hell of a season!
He could do like Schumacher and crash into people.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:40 PM   #773
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interview with Helmut Marko, austrian tv

the decision about the second driver for the next three years will be made in August.

I guess that kills Kimi, he only wanted one year contracts in the past
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What the ****? I guarantee its Kimi. Kimi wants WDC's and wins. where else would he get it? RBR of course and hes on sterling form. he might have to agree to more years, but thats a sacrifice one might make for an RBR.

The STR boys both are mid-packers, like Paul Di Resta. The only up and coming talent is Jules Bianchi but hes too green for a race seat at RBR.

Lewis is crying himself to sleep too much for it to be him, either.
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i don't think lewis is losing much sleep over this season.
he said himself, it's a transition year and he doesn't expect the car to be competitive or the team to be frontrunners. i think anything more than that, like the 2 wins and multiple poles and being second in the WCC, he'll be happy with.
also, he's rolling in dough. and i also don't see any signs that he is unhappy with at merc.

RBR needs someone to fill a number 2 driver spot. a Massa or another webber. someone who will comply with team orders without question.
if they fill it with a RAI/HAM/ALO i think there will be issues.
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