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Old 08-15-2013, 08:23 PM   #1001
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related to the unrelated Montoya losses his NASCAR drive at the end of the year
whatever. I want to see JPM in a Williams that pushes Vettel and Alonso off into the grass.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:30 PM   #1002
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that Williams would need some sliding doors for Montoyas fat ass

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McLaren driver Juan Pablo Montoya has criticised his former boss Frank Williams for not supporting him enough and calling him overweight.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:37 PM   #1003
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lotus released another papercraft.

https://www.facebook.com/BurnEnergy/...99325866957371

here is the one they release last year as well...
http://www.liam27.com/stuff/Lotus-E20-template.pdf
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:33 PM   #1004
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german source "sportbild online" says that Dietrich Mateschitz decided Ricciardo as new teammate 2014 for Vettel

http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/forme...ricciardo.html
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:37 PM   #1005
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interesting stuff about how many new engines the teams have used until the hungarian GP

http://184.106.145.74/f1-championshi...ntNumber-3.pdf
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:43 PM   #1006
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another info: Lotus plans with a new E21 for Spa; 10 cm more wheelbase and passive DRS
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:43 PM   #1007
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lotus released another papercraft.

https://www.facebook.com/BurnEnergy/...99325866957371

here is the one they release last year as well...
http://www.liam27.com/stuff/Lotus-E20-template.pdf
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interesting stuff about how many new engines the teams have used until the hungarian GP

http://184.106.145.74/f1-championshi...ntNumber-3.pdf
Interesting, Mercedes.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:28 PM   #1008
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All I know is, I'm rooting for Mark and Mr. Hunt The rest of the year.

I'm gonna miss the ultra cool and collected Aussie. What a badass that guy.

James Hunt, well you know.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:50 AM   #1009
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:15 PM   #1010
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The 2014 F1 driver market: What happens if...
How the dominoes might fall into place for next season's grid

If Daniel Ricciardo leaves Toro Rosso...
Then Lotus' hopes of retaining Kimi Raikkonen would be transformed into an expectation, although suggestions the Finn may return to Ferrari continue to gather pace.

In effect, Ricciardo's promotion - expected to be confirmed this weekend at Spa - would see him leapfrog the likes of Nico Hulkenberg and Paul di Resta as the 'next cab off the rank' and serve to diminish their hopes of landing a top-team seat for 2014 with Lotus. At Toro Rosso, the blow of Ricciardo's departure would be compensated by the weighty and beneficial endorsement of the team's role as a stepping stone to the big time, with the hugely-rated (not highly, hugely) Felix da Costa a near certainty to replace Ricciardo alongside Jean-Eric Vergne in 2014.

If Kimi Raikkonen leaves Lotus...
Then, because all teams consider continuity an essential virtue towards future wellbeing, the prospect of Romain Grosjean being offered a contract extension would solidify and Lotus would surely be minded to seek out an alternative team leader as opposed to another young buck to partner the accident-prone Frenchman. Distilled into specifics, think Hulkenberg or Di Resta rather than the relatively raw Vergne - with whom Lotus are reputed to have held talks earlier this year.

If Kimi Raikkonen stays at Lotus...
Then all of the above would be flipped on its head, with Grosjean less likely to be retained and Lotus negotiating from both a position of strength and flexibility as they consider their options. Di Resta, Hulkenberg or Vergne? The choice would be all theirs.

If Felipe Massa leaves Ferrari...
Then F1 retirement would surely beckon for the Brazilian and the sport could be looking at an Alonso-Raikkonen dream team in 2014. The terms under which Raikkonen departed the Scuderia in 2009 - including a reputed 20m pay-off - are a significant obstacle to overcome, but after so many barren years, and with Alonso perhaps not as rooted to Maranello as previously thought, it is at least possible to believe Ferrari may be tempted towards considering rehiring the Finn.

Otherwise, Hulkenberg, a long-term link with the Scuderia, would seemingly be next in line ahead of Di Resta, with Bianchi also in the frame despite Ferrari's reluctance to consider Sergio Perez a year ago due to the Mexican's "inexperience".

If Fernando Alonso leaves Ferrari...
Then all bets are off. Massa's hopes of a contract extension would increase on the basis that Ferrari are probably unlikely to want a complete revamp of their line-up, but Alonso's departure would be such a grievous blow that they may just opt to start afresh from an entirely blank page.

Fortunately for Ferrari, the chances of Alonso departing remain remote and the bombshell link with Red Bull - sparked by a meeting between Christian Horner and Alonso's manager at the Hungaroring - is more likely to have been a mutually-beneficial negotiating ploy - lowering Raikkonen's demands on the one hand, disturbing any complacency at Ferrari on the other - than an outright consideration. Still, stranger things have happened in F1 and the notion of that Ferrari could rehire Kimi Raikkonen - despite that pay-off - has been promoted into feasibility by comparison.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:58 PM   #1011
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Kimi Raikkonen 'wants Ferrari return' claims Eddie Jordan

Kimi Raikkonen is targeting a move to Ferrari following Red Bull's decision to sign Daniel Ricciardo, BBC F1 chief analyst Eddie Jordan says.

A deal for the Finn to return to the team for whom he won the 2007 title may be announced as soon as next month's Italian Grand Prix, Jordan said.

Ferrari said the claim was "not true" and that no decision had yet been made.

Jordan added that Ricciardo, 24, had already signed to partner Sebastian Vettel at Red Bull next season.

Ricciardo's promotion from junior team Toro Rosso is to be announced at this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix, Jordan said.

A Red Bull spokeswoman said: "We don't have anything to announce at present but will advise when we do."

A Ferrari spokesman said the Italian team were concentrating on improving their car to boost Fernando Alonso's title challenge.

He added: "This is the exact same scenario as last year - with not only Kimi but a long list of other drivers allegedly going to Ferrari.

"At the moment our priority is produce the car for Fernando and Felipe (Massa) and a decision on the 2014 line-up will be made at the appropriate moment, which is not right now."

On Monday, Raikkonen's manager Steve Robertson told BBC Sport's chief F1 writer Andrew Benson that the 20-time grand prix winner, 33, would not be driving for Red Bull next year.

Robertson said: "Talks broke down. We haven't spoken for a little while and it's clear Kimi won't be driving for Red Bull in 2014.

"Kimi's a free agent. He still has options out there.

"There's a lot of things happening behind the scenes and I'm pretty confident he will be in F1 next year."

Asked specifically whether Ferrari were an option, he said: "Until they confirm their seats, my job is to speak to all the teams and see what's available."

Jordan said Raikkonen had made a return to Red Bull his first priority but when talks with the world champions broke down, he turned his attention to Ferrari.

He could also stay with current team Lotus for a third season.

Alonso is under contract until the end of 2016, but Ferrari are considering replacing Massa, who has had an inconsistent season.

BBC Sport understands that senior figures within the Ferrari team want Massa out and are keen for Raikkonen to return but that Ferrari president Luca Di Montezemolo is not keen on the idea.

Signing Raikkonen would be an admission they had made a mistake when they chose to end his contract a year early at the end of 2009 and pay him not to drive for them in 2010, when Alonso joined.

They preferred Massa as the Spaniard's partner, despite the Brazilian at the time recovering from a fractured skull sustained in an accident at the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix.

Although Raikkonen won the title for Ferrari in 2007, Massa outscored him throughout their time as team-mates through the following two years.

World champions Red Bull had made it clear they were choosing between Raikkonen and Ricciardo for the seat that has been made vacant for next season following Mark Webber's decision to leave F1 to drive for Porsche in sportscar racing.

Raikkonen was a known quantity and would be a choice they could guarantee would at least match the contribution Webber made to three consecutive constructors' world titles since 2010.

But Ricciardo's promotion will be a vindication for the Red Bull young driver programme, from which so far only Vettel has graduated to the senior team.

The 24-year-old is also likely to be a malleable choice who will play a support role for Vettel without the friction that developed between the German and Webber and which may well have emerged had Raikkonen, a former world champion, joined the team.

It remains to be seen whether Ricciardo has the ability to cope with the step up to the highest level of F1, and the pressure that brings.

His best result for Toro Rosso is a seventh place, although he has three times qualified sixth.
Remember, Eddie Jordan was the first who had linked Hamilton with Mercedes
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:51 PM   #1012
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Remember, Eddie Jordan was the first who had linked Hamilton with Mercedes
Interesting.

This part was wrong though

"Although Raikkonen won the title for Ferrari in 2007, Massa outscored him throughout their time as team-mates through the following two years."

Raikkonen scored more over three seasons, largely due to Massa being injured.
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:04 AM   #1013
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:28 AM   #1014
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:05 PM   #1015
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Interesting.

This part was wrong though

"Although Raikkonen won the title for Ferrari in 2007, Massa outscored him throughout their time as team-mates through the following two years."

Raikkonen scored more over three seasons, largely due to Massa being injured.
they weren't teammates while Massa wasn't driving.

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they weren't teammates while Massa wasn't driving.

No ****

It also fails to take into account the countless retirements and problems Kimi's Ferrari had over the 3 years. Many times he was handily beating Massa but would have a exhaust fail or Hamilton crash into him (Canada) etc. If you take retirements into account he did better than Massa, and even without taking them into account his finishing position average was better.

2007 he also got to setup the car more to his style, in 2008 Massa/Schuey setup the car and it was the exact opposite of what Kimi wanted, it got too political and he stopped caring. Had Lewis not been a retard (Canada/Belgium) Kimi could have won 2008 as well. Bottom line, the comparison of Massa to Kimi is laughable.
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:48 PM   #1017
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in 2008 Massa/Schuey setup the car and it was the exact opposite of what Kimi wanted, it got too political and he stopped caring. Had Lewis not been a retard (Canada/Belgium) Kimi could have won 2008 as well. Bottom line, the comparison of Massa to Kimi is laughable.
Tin foil hat much? If the car was not to his liking, how do you explain all the fast laps he set, while still getting lackluster finishes?
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Is someone trying to put Massa faster than Kimi?

Please say it ain't so.
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pre spring-to-the-head Massa. Not post-Hungary 2009 Massa.
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Tin foil hat much? If the car was not to his liking, how do you explain all the fast laps he set, while still getting lackluster finishes?
You are referring to 2008. The fast laps are very easy to explain actually. He spent most of the races stuck in traffic and would preserve his tires, then throw a few hot laps in. It's actually very simple to get "fastest lap" in F1 if you don't care about tire wear.

In 2008 both Kimi and Massa had similar crap finishes through the season. They both had 2 DNF's and finishes below 10th. Had Kimi not been hit by Lewis and messed up at Belgium he would have been equal to Massa in points despite DNF's .

And the Massa/Schuey car setup is pretty common knowledge if you followed anything at all in 2008.

Then in 2009 the car was a complete POS. To be honest, what Kimi did with that car in the 2nd half of the season, despite all development being halted, was crazy. That car shouldn't have been anywhere near the podium.

Kimi should have been a 3 time WDC by this point, possibly more. Problem was the Newey Mclaren was one of the most unreliable cars on the grid "I'm winning.... 2 laps to go........ kaboom!!" was the story of 2005 and most of the years with Mclaren.

Apart from the freak year of 2008, Massa has been ****. He is not even remotely consistent. Hell, just look at this year, he is fast in qualy but then crashes or just drives like crap during the race.

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pre spring-to-the-head Massa. Not post-Hungary 2009 Massa.
Apart from 2008, not much to write home about. Even 2008 he was gifted a win or two thanks to others crashing etc. 2008 was a weird year.
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Had Kimi not been hit by Lewis and messed up at Belgium he would have been equal to Massa in points despite DNF's .
You've brought this up a few times, all of the top drivers can make these arguments, I'm sure Massa had some events that prevented him from getting better results as well.

Massa can blame Timo for losing WDC, Alonso can blame Petrov, Hami can blame a gravel trap in the pit lane... that's all i've got.
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You've brought this up a few times, all of the top drivers can make these arguments, I'm sure Massa had some events that prevented him from getting better results as well.

Massa can blame Timo for losing WDC, Alonso can blame Petrov, Hami can blame a gravel trap in the pit lane... that's all i've got.
The point was to show how the quote was pointless because there was a lot going on. Massa wasn't the better driver in 08, he was the lucky driver. It was the only year where he was lucky, apart from 08 each year has been meh at best. Some years were downright awful.

Hell, just look what Kimi is doing in the Lotus. They don't have the development of Ferrari/Red Bull/ Mercedes but he got to setup the car exactly how he wanted it, and the results speak for themselves. Whenever he get's to setup the car, he puts up great races.
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The problem with 2008 is that Raikkonen does not play the political game. No maneuvering, no mind games. Combine that with a Ferrari team that had and still has horrible administrative leadership, and Massa's rah-rah style and relationship with Schumi and Ferrari naturally went toward Massa with development. Raikkonen didn't help himself, either. He was putting distractions in his life that kept him from having the focus needed to make use of his talent consistently. However, had Ferrari not built such an unreliable engine and had Rosberg gotten out of the ****ing way in Spa, Raikkonen would have been right in the middle of the title fight. All Lewis wrecking into him in Canada did was keep Lewis from winning that race. Nobody on the grid was catching him that day.
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The problem with 2008 is that Raikkonen does not play the political game. No maneuvering, no mind games. Combine that with a Ferrari team that had and still has horrible administrative leadership, and Massa's rah-rah style and relationship with Schumi and Ferrari naturally went toward Massa with development. Raikkonen didn't help himself, either. He was putting distractions in his life that kept him from having the focus needed to make use of his talent consistently. However, had Ferrari not built such an unreliable engine and had Rosberg gotten out of the ****ing way in Spa, Raikkonen would have been right in the middle of the title fight. All Lewis wrecking into him in Canada did was keep Lewis from winning that race. Nobody on the grid was catching him that day.
Kimi had passed Lewis in the pits and was fairly close in the prior laps. Kimi was on pace to win Canada.

But he def didn't help himself that season.

Last half of 2009 was him giving Ferrari the bird. And now with Lotus, the guy is a points collecting machine. Give him a reliable car and he will bring it home every time.

I have a ongoing bet with a friend. Each year I bet Kimi will win Spa, it's been a pretty solid bet over the past few years, and I'm hoping for another free steak dinner after this weekend heh.

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I have a ongoing bet with a friend. Each year I bet Kimi will win Spa, it's been a pretty solid bet over the past few years, and I'm hoping for another free steak dinner after this weekend heh.
Well out of the last 6 years he only won twice 4 out of the last ten. So you've been giving more steak than you're getting
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