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Old 02-14-2013, 10:25 PM   #1
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At the Track 3MI Destroke 2.4L Long Rod Build

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Just wanted to share my build and also get some suggestions on some of the supporting mods down the list. My current build is being done by Micah aka. 3MI Racing or HomemadeWRX.

I choose his 2.43L Long Block with premium sleeving which includes:

Darton “Big Bore” Sleeves
Shuffle Pin Mains
ARP Case bolts
ARP CA625+ Headstuds
3MI Custom 300M Hybrid I-beam Long Rods w/ CA625+ bolts
Custom 4” JE 2618 Pistons w/ Premium Rings
DLC custom 9310 tool steel pin
EJ207 crank w/ altered oiling, and custom gas nitriding.
Headgames Motorworks Heads w/ “Full port and Polish”
Bronze-manganese valve guides
Ferrea Valve seals
Ferrea competition plus valves (Inconel exhaust)
Ferrea Dual valve springs w/ Ti Retainers
Kelford R-199-D’s 282°
3MI Racing modified 11mm oil pump
“Older” style cast water pump
Cometic Headgasket
All OEM Gaskets/seals/o-rings
Greedy Kevlar Timing Belt
Killer B Oil pick up and baffle

Some of my current Supporting mods include:

Custom CAI
Perrin EL Header
Perrin FMIC
Ultimate Racing Uppipe w/ tial 38mm wastegate
FP Black 82HTA Turbo
Ultimate Racing 3” downpipe w/ Electric Cutout
3.5” Apex’i N1 Catback
T1 Top feed rail w/ ID2000 Injectors
Walbro 416LPH

Future Supporting mods I want to change are:

Go rotated with a PTE 6466 CEA turbo
Walbro 416LPH (Might need another one w/ 8AN, 6AN lines)
New header/up pipe/Downpipe (<---Need help choosing a kit)
Modified 2.5 IM or Cosie IM (<--- Need help choosing)
New Standalone (<--- Need help choosing)

Initially I'm going to push the current set up with the FP 82HTA to see what it does... Then slap the bigger turbo to really test things. This motor is made to rev, so I won't see its true potential until I go rotated. But I wonder how far that FP Black takes me.

I already ran 10.8 @ 127 way back with a SZ55 turbo on the stock motor so... I would be happy with low 10's on the Black... and then really pleased with what the 6466 might bring.

Now I need help choosing a rotated kit, an intake manifold for this thing, and a new standalone.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:25 PM   #2
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Sounds like my dream build. I'm getting something similar!

I think Micah was working on an intake, there's cosworth. Moore performance probably has something nice. I'm sure there are a few really high flowing epic options out there for you.

Killer B headers, full race rotated, I think ETS has something. Just make sure it's at least 321 stainless.

Syvecs or motec for a really nice standalone. Plug and play syvecs s6 would be a damn sexy option.

Lots of pics are needed!!!!

I really look forward to watching this build!!

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:28 PM   #3
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I would go with a LINK ECU (Vipec V88). The plug and play wasn't available when I was assembling parts. In hindsight, it was a huge mistake.

For intake manifold, I would let Micah pick that out for you, since everything has to work as a system.

I would also spend some time with Micah's help on some chassis software plugging in the approximate torque curve with weight and tire combinations. You may find that gearing may be your best bang for buck (or not).

I'm certain that 82HTA will not be able to maintain flow up top, but you need to decide how often you're going to drive on the street. I'm guessing that with the shorter stroke and some intended street driving, a twinscroll setup will help to preserve pulsing, as it'll be diminished somewhat from the stroke reduction. I don't think it's necessary on a drag car however as there's a lot of added weight if you run it in the stock location.

It sounds like a monster in the works.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:29 PM   #4
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Vipec v88 gets my vote. Stay away from aem. I would suggest proefi (the ultimate) but won't work on our engines.

Full race rotated kits are lower and more affordable now

Killer b header is tits.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:37 AM   #5
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Like said earlier Micah will be the best to ask about this stuff.

As for ecu you are getting one hell of a great engine package. Don't cheap out on ecu. Haltech, motec, pectel, syvecs are what would really suit this kind of build. Others are doing great stuff with lesser systems but there is better out there and you are investing a lot in this incredible engine. There's a reason those higher end systems exist and why guys running crazy engines utilize them. Don't cheap out on what is one of the most important components in the build.

Just my 2 cents

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Old 02-15-2013, 03:28 PM   #6
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I had Vipec V88 in mind with a Full Race kit. But for some reason... I just don't like the I.D. on the Full Race primaries (I think they're are too small). I like the Killer B header, but that's V Band stock location. I don't think Full Race sells a V band rotated up-pipe to mate to this header.

I guess I have no choice and use the cossie IM, I just wanted to try something different. Are their any PnP solution for the Vipec V88? I'll ask Micah for pictures.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:50 PM   #7
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I had Vipec V88 in mind with a Full Race kit. But for some reason... I just don't like the I.D. on the Full Race primaries (I think they're are too small). I like the Killer B header, but that's V Band stock location. I don't think Full Race sells a V band rotated up-pipe to mate to this header.

I guess I have no choice and use the cossie IM, I just wanted to try something different. Are their any PnP solution for the Vipec V88? I'll ask Micah for pictures.
There's a big thread taking about intake manis. Give it a read. Also shoot Moore performance a PM and also give Micah a shout.

Also talk to Chris at killerB and see what he can do for you header/rotate kit wise..

Are you going single or twin scroll? With a big turbo may as well go TS and for better spool. And when you go bigger turbo swap headers and up pipe and down pipe.

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Old 02-15-2013, 04:10 PM   #8
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Going single... for all out power. Initially I wanted to go twin scroll, but Micah explained me why single was better for all out power. Plus is less complex, less weight too.
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Look at that black wrx with the gtx35 and killer b header. Redlicous car.
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Look at that black wrx with the gtx35 and killer b header. Redlicous car.
+1
Though it seems all the cars that are being posted with any of the killerb headers are just crazy!!
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For ECU I would choose only one ECU and this is Syvecs S6 PnP

Simple is the best ECU for money,have everything what you are want and need: Knock control,8 fuel maps,Wideband,NOS control,full CANbus,no fancy cable for mapping,just simple RJ45,numerous inputs/outputs user configurable,datalogging a 12 maps etc.

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Look at that black wrx with the gtx35 and killer b header. Redlicous car.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:51 PM   #13
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For ECU I would choose only one ECU and this is Syvecs S6 PnP

Simple is the best ECU for money,have everything what you are want and need: Knock control,8 fuel maps,Wideband,NOS control,full CANbus,no fancy cable for mapping,just simple RJ45,numerous inputs/outputs user configurable,datalogging a 12 maps etc.

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I like what I saw about that one, so for the S6 PnP you just switch the board from your OEM ECU? Not much info out there... (AMS uses it now) so must be fairly new.
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I'd recommend the Killer B header. Includes V band uppipe and 100% 321 construction. That thing is a whore! When nuclear war happens, there will be cockroaches and their headers left.
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Nice build!!

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There's a big thread taking about intake manis. Give it a read. Also shoot Moore performance a PM and also give Micah a shout.

Also talk to Chris at killerB and see what he can do for you header/rotate kit wise..

Are you going single or twin scroll? With a big turbo may as well go TS and for better spool. And when you go bigger turbo swap headers and up pipe and down pipe.

Matt
+1 on checking out some of the manifold threads. Lots of good info. out there....but Micah would probably offer the best advice to heed since he's putting the motor together and also because, well, he's really smart!

Go check out Matty's new intake thread too - lots of good info. afoot in there.

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I had Vipec V88 in mind with a Full Race kit. But for some reason... I just don't like the I.D. on the Full Race primaries (I think they're are too small). I like the Killer B header, but that's V Band stock location. I don't think Full Race sells a V band rotated up-pipe to mate to this header.

I guess I have no choice and use the cossie IM, I just wanted to try something different. Are their any PnP solution for the Vipec V88? I'll ask Micah for pictures.
We just did a 1.75" to 2" twin scroll header for a Borg-Warner s400; that's flowin a bit there when you take both scrolls into consideration. 2" to a 2" is possible if the user is willing to compromise/modify some things to make it happen (strictly speaking about our design here).

The Killer B header/up is nice! We just picked one up for a customer (we're a KB dealer) and modded the up for an external



Fitment is remarkable with the HH too! Very recommended for those that want this style header.
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^^^
Awesome! Will definitely keep it in mind if I decide to go that route. For now I got lots of reading to do.
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I like what I saw about that one, so for the S6 PnP you just switch the board from your OEM ECU? Not much info out there... (AMS uses it now) so must be fairly new.

Hi there


Syvecs S6 PnP is for OEM case and technical details are same as have S6GP

Here are all details on S6GP

http://www.syvecs.co.uk/products/s6/

S6 PnP

http://www.syvecs.co.uk/products/s6-pnp/



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Hi there

Syvecs S6 PnP is for OEM case and technical details are same as have S6GP

Here are all details on S6GP

http://www.syvecs.co.uk/products/s6/

S6 PnP

http://www.syvecs.co.uk/products/s6-pnp/

Jura
I'm going with a syvecs S8 but that's for some extras that the S8 has and some crazy ideas I'm working.

But yeah the S6 pnp would be amazing for this build.

If they're good enough for rally cars, Godzilla, and 997's than our humble little subies will love em!

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I'm going with a syvecs S8 but that's for some extras that the S8 has and some crazy ideas I'm working.

But yeah the S6 pnp would be amazing for this build.

If they're good enough for rally cars, Godzilla, and 997's than our humble little subies will love em!

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Hi Matt

S8 is great ECU,we are running S6 PnP,for us is enough(for now,but we are would love few other features,but I/O expander is on the way),but still I would go with S8 if I need to have more inputs or outputs etc.


Running now Syvecs S6 around 1 year and love this ECU,easy to configure,great features



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I like what I saw about that one, so for the S6 PnP you just switch the board from your OEM ECU? Not much info out there... (AMS uses it now) so must be fairly new.
Just download Syvecs Suite with example calibration file and Syvecs basic manual and have look on features what have this ECU

http://www.syvecs.co.uk/support/downloads/

If you will be running AVCS,Race dash or other bits,this ECU have everything what you are need

With sensor pack(Oil pressure,Oil Temp,Fuel pressure) you can have Engine limp/trip etc.



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As far as headers go:

Stock
KillerB
FullRace TS

I picked KillerB and will most likely be doing some comparison pulls vs stock once my build is done. The spool increase was dramatically noticeable when I first installed them, but I personally have no data to back that up.

Here is a picture of my up pipe modified with a Vband flange next to the grimmspeed EWG up pipe.



More comparison photos can be found here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...4#post36705014

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3MI Custom 300M Hybrid I-beam Long Rods w/ CA625+ bolts
How long will the rods be?
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PM fobiawrx. He made my twin scroll headers, up, down, and did it for what Full Race will claim material costs. :rollseyes:
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