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Old 02-18-2013, 12:41 PM   #1
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Default 18g 02 WRX 330ishWHP goals... 5SPD

I don't want to hear go 6 speed cause I'm 19 in college and I'm not about to pay 4,000 for a 6 speed... Yea I will when I'm older so that when I give my son the car he will have the fastest reliable car in his HS.

Anyway. I have a list a parts that I have and parts that I'm looking to get....
Eventually I want it to be a responsive/reliable, 330whp, weekend track monster. Will I get my HP goals w/ these mods.... What would u recommend, me get or not get... I'm trying to save money, but get good quality parts. I'm telling you right now I'm not pay 800 for a TMIC FOH w/ that.

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*Tomioka TDo5-18g
*eBay TMiC
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*850cc inj.
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**Stock ECU (Roger Japtrix, John MRP, FatBoy, Ralphy Estavez)
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As for suspension I HAVE A PLAN!


If there are any reasonable brands of things w/o stars next to them, that u think I should get lmk.

What do u think my WHP/TQ #'s will be?

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Old 02-18-2013, 01:09 PM   #2
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Ill play. Ive got a 18G 2.0L, made 335/280 whp/wtq @ 19psi target boost. Just telling you what I did, this isnt the word of God here - see below. "no" just means I didnt bother with it and probably wont make much difference.

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*Tomioka TDo5-18g
*eBay TMiC
Turbo inlet - PERRIN
Phenolic spacers - Grimmspeed
TB Spacer - no
TGV Delete - yes, did it while manifold was off anyway
CAI - KS Tech WITH heat shield
*Turbo Back
*Catless /Flexless UpPipe
*850cc inj.
*Wlb.255
*GFB Recirculating BOV
Pulley - no
EL Headers - no, stock...might help a little though.
EBCS - MBC (tuner's choice) - Grimmspeed EBCS is really nice though.


What do u think my WHP/TQ #'s will be?
Youll be in the 330 whp range. Its quick, pulls about even with modded newer STis. I love it, plenty of people could argue it sucks - it lags, boost creeps a bit, etc. To each their own. 15k miles on this setup and its been awesome.

Obligatory patronizing - this is going to blow up a stock 02 tranny. I have STi RA gears.

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Old 02-18-2013, 01:19 PM   #3
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I don't want to hear go 6 speed cause I'm 19 in college and I'm not about to pay 4,000 for a 6 speed...

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I stopped reading there. You seem to be a smart guy so what makes you think going with a bigger turbo is a good idea given that first statement? What're you gonna do if your trans does give out? Spend $1000-1500 to rebuild the 5spd instead? Or what if your engine lets go?

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Old 02-18-2013, 03:15 PM   #4
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Well to put it into perspective i tuned a 18g on a ej207 with pump gas and it made 335whp and 300wtq. spooled around 3900 rpms. the ej207 has the extra 1k rpms of powerband to play with though so it is a pretty fun car. still on the stock 5mt with the stock clutch. or replaced stock clutch. dont shift like a monster and your trans should be fine. go with injectors, tmic, turbo, and turboback to start. dont forget the fuel pump either. replace all coolant and boost lines, new spark plugs, three port or mbc will work just not the stock bcs. it sucks. stock bov leaks a little. look up the stock bov smash modification. holds boost to 25/26 psi w/o leaking. if you can afford it get a blouch 18gxtr. its more cash but will last a long time, spool quicker and has some of the latest std turbo technology. injectors go with 1000cc injector dynamic injectors. i have tuned countless cars with them and if its a vf turbo or a 20g they all idle great and tune perfectly. five O motorsports injectors work decently as well. if you got the time do tgv deletes and put some phenolic spacers in there to help the IM not get so heat soaked. good luck and have fun. contact your tuner for the best advice because at the end of the day he controls the final numbers.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:24 PM   #5
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still on the stock 5mt with the stock clutch. or replaced stock clutch. dont shift like a monster and your trans should be fine.
The question is how long will it be fine.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:36 PM   #6
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Forgot to mention I have my NGK 1 step colder. I really like my 5 speed, and would love to keep it, maybe I will do RA gears, but motor 1st. Only saying this because I know how I drive, yea I'm 19, but my family owns Radical Motorsports of New Jersey... (Rmsofnewjersey.com) I have driven everything from my nitrous Integra, to Audi R8 to JR Prom, GT3 RS to school... My love for cars is endless like everyone on here, but everyone has different perceptions.... I know my transmission is "ass cheeks" I'm not going to drive it like I have a dog box until I have the $ to swap it.



Keep the help coming. I know I'm 19, but the little background info is to show yea my dad and uncle trust me w/ those cars ... I'm responsible, and can be the 3/10 that is running a stock 5 spd w/ 340whp...


Also will the
Group N Trans mount (5spd) ofc.
Direct Shift Bushings
And a short shifter help w/ the limitation in my Trans?


(I WANT MY 5 speed)
*dont launch
*dont flat foot shift
NOT SO BADD!!!!
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:55 PM   #7
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no one knows how long it will last but the point of the thread is not about how long the trans will last but will his mods get him to were he wants to be on a somewhat budget build. check out efilogics website under dyno database. just type in 18g and all the results with the mod list will pop up. figure that is the lower end of whp wtq you will get since they have a low reading dyno.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:35 PM   #8
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Thanks thats helpful. @WhiteBgeye02
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:48 PM   #9
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Doesn't want to pay X amount for a good part, but says he's going to keep this and give it to his kid because it will be reliable? Dude, you're wanting an Ebay junk TMIC. This car will not last if you have that mentality.
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:11 PM   #10
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Doesn't want to pay X amount for a good part, but says he's going to keep this and give it to his kid because it will be reliable? Dude, you're wanting an Ebay junk TMIC. This car will not last if you have that mentality.
^this! Build it once and build it right. It's you're money, best advice is to take your time. It's your car, if you have to piece it out, piece it out. Build it correctly with the proper precautions and it will be reliable. Don't expect anything short of an I told you so here, if you decide you want to take a fast and cheap route.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:43 PM   #11
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Sure you can make it on the right dyno. I only made 325/325 on my stroker with a fp td06-20g with meth so numbers are just numbers. It should feel good with those mods. I was a kid with fast cars so I wont jump you. My 5 speed held up on that one however the one on my lightly modded 02 didn't so you never know.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:13 PM   #12
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go with a 16gxt ...it spools faster ....also wont kill your pistons as soon
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:25 PM   #13
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well my bugeye puts down 287 whp / 264 ft-lbs @ 16psi with water meth and ginormous tmic.
and my high boost 18 psi, 312 whp / 282 ft-lbs.
I still use factory clutch, replaced it at 132k and currently have +242k on odometer.
I use to autox monthly from 2002 to 2006 with 4~6 runs.

so if you want o keep the 5 speed for awhile your power goal might need to be revised.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:43 PM   #14
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between this:

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I stopped reading there. You seem to be a smart guy so what makes you think going with a bigger turbo is a good idea given that first statement? What're you gonna do if your trans does give out? Spend $1000-1500 to rebuild the 5spd instead? Or what if your engine lets go?

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Doesn't want to pay X amount for a good part, but says he's going to keep this and give it to his kid because it will be reliable? Dude, you're wanting an Ebay junk TMIC. This car will not last if you have that mentality.

I'm not sure which is worse. I've been making a little over 300whp on my 5 spd for the past (roughly) 2 years and I track my car (both road courses and drag) and my gearbox has yet to take a dump on me. Mind you I change my oil regularly and try to avoid HARD launches. I think you guys vastly underestimate the abuse a 5 spd can take.

With regards to the TMIC comment, I don't even know where to begin. While all intercoolers are not equal, the reality is that the performance benefit of a $700 brand name TMI is not significantly greater than a $200 Ebay TMI. Plus, for the power levels the mod is looking for I'm not sure why he would want to spend that much on an intercooler (considering he could use the money for something else).
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:19 PM   #15
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I'm not sure which is worse. I've been making a little over 300whp on my 5 spd for the past (roughly) 2 years and I track my car (both road courses and drag) and my gearbox has yet to take a dump on me. Mind you I change my oil regularly and try to avoid HARD launches. I think you guys vastly underestimate the abuse a 5 spd can take.
Are you a poor college student? Would you take the risk if you were?
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I think you guys vastly underestimate the abuse a 5 spd can take.
The 5MT can take a very limited amount of abuse, period.

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With regards to the TMIC comment, I don't even know where to begin. While all intercoolers are not equal, the reality is that the performance benefit of a $700 brand name TMI is not significantly greater than a $200 Ebay TMI. Plus, for the power levels the mod is looking for I'm not sure why he would want to spend that much on an intercooler (considering he could use the money for something else).
^^^^^^ Further proof of how little you know about what you purport to understand, since you apparently aren't aware of the differences in construction and fin count between eBay garbage and a properly-designed TMIC.


OP: concentrate on school and get good grades. You might be able to get a good job after you graduate and then buy a car that isn't a turd-bucket and won't require $1000's in mods just to get it where you want it, performance-wise.
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The 5MT can take a very limited amount of abuse, period.

^^^^^^ Further proof of how little you know about what you purport to understand, since you apparently aren't aware of the differences in construction and fin count between eBay garbage and a properly-designed TMIC.
I didn't say they were equivalent in quality or design. That said, a cheap ebay intercooler is more than enough for the op's power goals.

While my post count on this forum is low, a low post count does not equate to knowledge. I have built several cars and since my first car where I went WAY overboard trying to by the greatest (read: brand name) parts to my current build which is much more conservative. It is my experience that you have to look at each part individually rather than make blanket statements like "Ebay parts are rubbish...".

I agree that you shouldn't be cheap when it comes on to certain parts, for example coilvers (I run 3K Zeal coilovers), but other parts for example map sensors (I run a $35 GM 3 port) it's ok to be a little frugal. The fact that my car has been on the road and running reliably for years is proof enough that I know (at least a little bit) about what what I am saying.

Try to be a little more open with your approach to answering the op's questions.
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i think everything you have there would be good for 330whp. i'd recommend an ewg though, it'll regulate boost better, and it sounds ridiculous
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:53 PM   #19
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Thank you Everyone. And yes maybe I should simplify the question... If you were a poor college student what parts would you put on a 2.0 Bugeye to make a reliable 330.
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Thank you Everyone. And yes maybe I should simplify the question... If you were a poor college student what parts would you put on a 2.0 Bugeye.
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KEEP IT STOCK. 330whp sounds like a blown trans to me and with no money... your car will be collecting dust somewhere after the trans goes.
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Are you a poor college student? Would you take the risk if you were?
I'm a poor college student, and still 19 as well

I turned my vf39'd car down from 19 psi to 16, and put in a KillerB oil pickup/2011 STi pan, because I don't have the money for an engine or transmission build, and the car is still plenty of fun on the autocross tracks

Invest the little bit of money you have, don't squander it all
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been eyeing this thread.

From one college student to another.

Focus on school. Buy a tactrix cable and find a e tuner. You will learn alot from the tuning process. Do a timing belt replacement. Get a 3 port EBCS with a downpipe and definitely a catless uppipe. Maybe a catback if you live in a place where cops aren't out to get you. Do a TGV delete and silicone inlets. If you have money get some decent injectors while doing the TGV deletes. That is pretty much it for power to max out a TD04. I think a maxed out TD04 is Fun! And you should too!

If you are still down then upgrade your suspension with bushings. All of them from turninconcepts. This will make for a very fun bugeye. My parents paid for all upgrades on my car only if I did the work. It taught me how to work on cars and keep them running. Worth every penny.

By that time you'll be almost out of college and blown your 5mt to pieces, like I was, then get a 6mt or a beefy 5mt.
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I have what you want. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...php?p=36839588

You will need an upgraded clutch for that power, but with that power you have to start driving differently for reliability. That's on the ragged edge for motor and trans longevity. I have an upgraded trans but drive very Christian as even though I am lucky/smart to use GREAT tuners, I know that anything over 300 on stock pistons is a time bomb....not a chance to take as a college student as a motor or trans runs in the neighborhood of $5k depending.

Please weigh this decision with extreme care....
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:30 PM   #24
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21-23 I found y'all very helpful. Thanks I will be investing in the 2... What's does the oils squatter do? I found a sight where I can get one from, but what does it hel me do, and why did u run a lower boost? Does it help reliability!?
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:34 PM   #25
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This is me if this one question is answerd on its fovor... What does that 16gxt compare to my 18g?

16gxt ~ 18g
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