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Old 02-19-2013, 09:30 PM   #1
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Default My 2002 WRX feels like it is going to oversteer at 70MPH. Is this normal?

I will start off with ... this is my second car. I originally owned an Heavy Accord.

I currently own a 2002 WRX Wagon and every time I am driving 60+ (speed limit is 70 btw) and I am on a bend on the highway I feel like the rear is about to let go.

I don't know if it is because it is a wagon or the tires are just not the best.

Every time I enter a bend I let go of the gas and end up moving to the slow lane because I really don't know if I will loose control of the car.

Is this normal. Do i just have PTSD or something?
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:55 PM   #2
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Mine doesn't get like that till 170 mph. No thats not normal.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:01 PM   #3
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Lift off over steer.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:18 PM   #4
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How long have you owned the 02 WRX wagon? You are probably still adjusting to the characteristics of AWD.
As tommyson noted, if you are lifting off during the turn then you'll get that feeling of oversteer.
Instead, feather the accelerator a bit while going through the apex and you'll notice it will be much more planted.
You want to push it through the turn, keeping steady amount of acceleration, if not speeding up slightly.
Another thing to check out is your alignment and tires. But most likely, it's lift off oversteer.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:23 PM   #5
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does it have a massive rear sway bar and oem front?
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:33 PM   #6
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Sounds exactly like lift off oversteer. There's another technique you can use for that. It's called slowing down for the corner... If you're driving fast enough to have lift off oversteer, you're probably driving too fast for public roads. If you really are only doing 60 on a highway, either the road has a seriously crazy bend, or some suspension mods that you're not mentioning causing this unbalanced driving style.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:35 PM   #7
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lift off oversteer forsure
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:27 AM   #8
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Have you had your rear suspension checked? Bushings, etc? Verify that everything is mechanically okay (including your alignment and tires) before you start worrying about things like lift oversteer.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:35 PM   #9
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maybe get an alignment? a lot of toe out in the back?
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:13 PM   #10
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Minivans can go around a slight bend in the highway at 70mph with no problem, so yes this is not normal. You either have a something wrong with your suspension, or what you are describing is in fact not what you are thinking it is.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:06 PM   #11
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does it have a massive rear sway bar and oem front?
No Massive sway bar or any modifications. I have lifted hoisted this car and haven't found any suspension modifications. The car height look about the same as a my coworks WRX sedan (which I am pretty sure he has touch either)

I have had the car for just over two months but only drive the car on the high way for no more than 12-14 hours.

I have driven on the same road on a Honda Sedan and it wasn't as bad. I could of easily have taken that curve at 100+ if I wanted to.

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Old 02-20-2013, 08:37 PM   #12
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Go to a mechanic and have them drive it see what they say.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:16 PM   #13
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Mine doesn't get like that till 170 mph. No thats not normal.

170 mph too fast too furious huh?


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check your tires make sure all 4 tires are the same brand/make/model. If you have different tires on your awd car it may have the effect you have described.

- Try a tire rotation if all tires are the same
- If that does not help, take it in for a front and rear alignment
- check your rear diff fluid and axle as well

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Old 02-21-2013, 12:54 PM   #14
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I still think you're adjusting to driving an AWD car. If you truly could do 100mph 'safely' in your honda accord, then I suspect your driving style needs to be adjusted...provided all suspension bits are in sound working order.

Next time you take that same bend, don't lift off the accelerator. Either maintain steady throttle or slightly increase throttle. (bringing your speed up 1 or 2 mph MAX)
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I still think you're adjusting to driving an AWD car. If you truly could do 100mph 'safely' in your honda accord, then I suspect your driving style needs to be adjusted...provided all suspension bits are in sound working order.

Next time you take that same bend, don't lift off the accelerator. Either maintain steady throttle or slightly increase throttle. (bringing your speed up 1 or 2 mph MAX)
Please, PLEASE, have your car checked by a professional first before you start increasing your speed in a corner you already feel you are losing control in.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:43 PM   #16
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I still think you're adjusting to driving an AWD car. If you truly could do 100mph 'safely' in your honda accord, then I suspect your driving style needs to be adjusted...provided all suspension bits are in sound working order.

Next time you take that same bend, don't lift off the accelerator. Either maintain steady throttle or slightly increase throttle. (bringing your speed up 1 or 2 mph MAX)

Just hit that corner and floor it is what I recommend .. your just getting use to the AWD brohammer





on a serious note:

Make sure all 4 tires are the same brand/make/model. If you have different tires on your awd car it may have the effect you have described.

- Try a tire rotation if all tires are the same
- If that does not help, take it in for a front and rear alignment
- check your rear diff fluid and axle

Its not normal to have that feeling rather your going around a corner doing 6mph or 106mph in awd or fwd.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:15 PM   #17
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You guys are taking what I posted out of context. I'm not telling the guy to go all m4d dorifto through the turn.

I'm sure you all have experience some lift off oversteer. The speed limit is 70 and he's doing 60 while letting off in the middle of the turn.

I agree that he should check all suspension related components: struts, springs, bushings, sway bars, tires, wheel bearings, alignment, and even tire pressure.

But bottom line is you don't lift off the throttle while going through the turn. You lift off before the turn to slow down for it, but not while you're already turning.

Also, without any of us actually driving the car we don't even know what feeling exactly being experienced. My 02 WRX wagon felt like the rear end was coming loose when lifting off throttle in the turn and a very trusted subaru specialty shop owner gave me the advice I'm passing along here.


If any of you say that someone drives AWD the same as FWD or RWD, you're kidding yourself.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:38 PM   #18
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I did a quick search on google...appears this very topic has been discussed ad nauseam, specifically on NASIOC since 2000:

Click to View Search Results for http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:forums.nasioc.com+lift+off+oversteer+awd&sa=X&ei=g48mUa6jMKi2igL1goHADw&ved=0CD0QrQIwAQ&biw=1680&bih=935 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:forums.nasioc.com+lift+off+oversteer+awd&sa=X&ei=g48mUa6jMKi2igL1goHADw&ved=0CD0QrQIwAQ&biw=1680&bih=935

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105065

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2391823


Sounds like a lot of you don't really understand how much FWD understeers, so that slight feeling of AWD lift-off oversteer is so foreign it freaks out the driver, just like the OP.
I know because I only owned FWD cars prior to my WRX(86 camry, 90 camry, 93 accord, 91 integra, 90 integra), and have personally experienced the lift off oversteer as OP describes.
I'm willing to bet tree-fiddy this is the case here.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:28 PM   #19
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Thanks constantinus

I will still be hoisting my the car and double check the suspension, tires and so on. I will most diffidently be doing a tire alignment.

I just got my tires rotated and balance. I am pretty sure all the tires are identical...
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Thanks constantinus

I will still be hoisting my the car and double check the suspension, tires and so on. I will most diffidently be doing a tire alignment.

I just got my tires rotated and balance. I am pretty sure all the tires are identical...
How many miles on the car? I'm guessing over 100k, possibly even over 150k?
If you don't really know the history of the car(considering you've only had it about 2 months), like when struts were replaced, bushings, wheel bearings, etc...check out this thread by TurnInConcepts .
He goes into pretty good detail about tightening up the suspension. I noticed significant improvements in handling when I upgraded struts, springs, sway bars, end links & front strut bar.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
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Questions are in order:

How long have you been driving?

Do you understand what oversteer and understeer actually are? (hint, they describe which end of the car tends to start sliding as you reach the limit of traction. If you are not sliding at either end, you are experiencing neither)

You're driving a 10 year old car. Are your shocks, bushings, end links, tires, bearings all in proper working condition? I suspect that they are not.

When I was a track instructor, I could show students both oversteer and understeer in my car during the same session. Any car can be induced into either condition. AWD cars have a HUGE advantage over both FWD and RWD in corners. HUGE For people who think our cars have too much understeer....they need to run a Honda on the track for 5 years and then come back and explain to me why they thought that (because they no longer will).
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:57 PM   #23
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As the owner of an '02 with over 130k miles, I can tell you that there are many problems with the rear suspension that aren't apparent with a quick visual inspection. For instance, I was told that there was no more adjustment for the rear toe; when I tried to replace the lateral links with adjustable ones, I found out why. Each of the adjustment bolts were seized to the bushings and the lateral links were also seized to the long bolts at the knuckles. There was no pressing that adjustment bolt out, I had to cut it on both sides of the bushing.



My point is that anyone driving on 10 year old suspension is fooling themselves if they believe that all of those links back there are pivoting the way they are supposed to. The same goes for the front, despite what you may have heard, ball joints don't last forever.

If you think the car is not handling properly, it probably isn't, and it's most likely because you need to do a serious overhaul on your tired, old suspension.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:30 PM   #24
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Car has around 115k Miles
I have been driving for 5 years
Car originally lived around North Florida (so no rust)
Understeer - Your tires are all turn all the way but your car keeps giong straight
Oversteer - Your back end pretty much goes out and most probably end up doing a 180 really fast.

Would a alignment shop be able to figure what is wrong?
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