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Old 02-22-2013, 11:01 PM   #26
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Exactly. There's a "sport" model in the B&H lineup. If you look in the brochure, the Sport hatch is actually a hair higher than the base and Limited. lol
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:59 AM   #27
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Okay sweet thanks guys!

The springs I was looking into were the h&r and the caption said 1.5-2 in drop so I dont know. But was just gonna get them see how it looks and of not than put them up for sale.
The fiancee doesnt want the car that low and not to scrape so just a Lil curious. Lol
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:48 AM   #28
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Yes, those are the H&R's. A ~1.5 drop is nothing major. I wouldn't worry about it. Just don't do it before me. lol I want to be the first one.
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:53 AM   #29
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Yes, those are the H&R's. A ~1.5 drop is nothing major. I wouldn't worry about it. Just don't do it before me. lol I want to be the first one.
Just hurry up and do it lol I need to know what its like because shipping to Australia is expensive
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:33 AM   #30
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Exactly. There's a "sport" model in the B&H lineup. If you look in the brochure, the Sport hatch is actually a hair higher than the base and Limited. lol
Actually it isn't as far as I know. The ride height difference was confirmed by a separate member to be caused by the difference in tire and wheels rather than any suspension changes.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:24 PM   #31
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Hm, I figured the tires were the same..? I thought all used the same size Yoko's and both wheel choices were 17x7? There's a Limited wagon at work, I'll park next to him tomorrow and compare. haha
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:29 PM   #32
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Actually it isn't as far as I know. The ride height difference was confirmed by a separate member to be caused by the difference in tire and wheels rather than any suspension changes.
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Hm, I figured the tires were the same..? I thought all used the same size Yoko's and both wheel choices were 17x7? There's a Limited wagon at work, I'll park next to him tomorrow and compare. haha
The tires ARE the same! Same brand, model and size!
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:45 PM   #33
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lol weird then?
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:38 PM   #34
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The tires ARE the same! Same brand, model and size!
well, just throwing it out there. the tires are not "ALL" the same.
The base model came with 15 inch rims with 195/65/15 yokohama avid s33b
the premium model came with 16 inch rims with 205/55/16 yokohama avid s30b
the sport and limited models came with 17 inch rims with 205/50/17 yokohama avid s34d

the base model tires diameter is 25 inches
the premium model tires diameter is 24.9 inches
the sport and limited tires diameter is 25.2 inches.
the supposed ground clearance is 5.7 for the 4 and 5 door and the sport model is 5.9 inches.

it is easy to look at the numbers and with simple subtraction you can see the difference in the diameter of the tires are about the same as the difference in height. but the height of the wheel in determined by the distance from the center of the wheel (radius) because the car does not sit on top of the tires. so in reality, the difference in height of the tires that affects the car is between .1 and 1.5. sure, you could "round," but subaru went with one significant number after the decimal, i doubt they rounded.

edit: i also think there was an argument over a similar proposal. and that if you factor in compression the tires would be the same distance from the center to the ground. well, the tires are different models so the compound could be different or the same. but if they are the same. then they would have the same compression coefficient. they could compress the same difference but that would still mean that the tires would still have a difference in height. the only way the car could have the same height is if the taller tire compress more than the shorter tire.

reference: tirerack.com and cars101.com

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Old 02-23-2013, 03:19 PM   #35
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Exactly. There's a "sport" model in the B&H lineup. If you look in the brochure, the Sport hatch is actually a hair higher than the base and Limited. lol
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Actually it isn't as far as I know. The ride height difference was confirmed by a separate member to be caused by the difference in tire and wheels rather than any suspension changes.
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Hm, I figured the tires were the same..? I thought all used the same size Yoko's and both wheel choices were 17x7? There's a Limited wagon at work, I'll park next to him tomorrow and compare. haha
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well, just throwing it out there. the tires are not "ALL" the same.
The base model came with 15 inch rims with 195/65/15 yokohama avid s33b
the premium model came with 16 inch rims with 205/55/16 yokohama avid s30b
the sport and limited models came with 17 inch rims with 205/50/17 yokohama avid s34d

the base model tires diameter is 25 inches
the premium model tires diameter is 24.9 inches
the sport and limited tires diameter is 25.2 inches.
the supposed ground clearance is 5.7 for the 4 and 5 door and the sport model is 5.9 inches.

it is easy to look at the numbers and with simple subtraction you can see the difference in the diameter of the tires are about the same as the difference in height. but the height of the wheel in determined by the distance from the center of the wheel (radius) because the car does not sit on top of the tires. so in reality, the difference in height of the tires that affects the car is between .1 and 1.5. sure, you could "round," but subaru went with one significant number after the decimal, i doubt they rounded.

edit: i also think there was an argument over a similar proposal. and that if you factor in compression the tires would be the same distance from the center to the ground. well, the tires are different models so the compound could be different or the same. but if they are the same. then they would have the same compression coefficient. they could compress the same difference but that would still mean that the tires would still have a difference in height. the only way the car could have the same height is if the taller tire compress more than the shorter tire.

reference: tirerack.com and cars101.com
We were referring to the sport compared to limited as far as being different ride heights, and apparently someone said they had different tires. They do not, as I first pointed out, as well as you in your last post.
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:28 PM   #36
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We were referring to the sport compared to limited as far as being different ride heights, and apparently someone said they had different tires. They do not, as I first pointed out, as well as you in your last post.
Oh. I see. Yes agreed limited and the sport both have the same tires. Well I guess my post is more of a supporting statement for you and factual evidence and references.

The second post you quoted is half right. Lol the sport tires are different than the base.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:50 PM   #37
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Regardless, the Sport springs in question are the H&R Sport springs, NOT the OEM Impreza Sport springs. : )
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #38
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Exactly. There's a "sport" model in the B&H lineup. If you look in the brochure, the Sport hatch is actually a hair higher than the base and Limited. lol
magenta!!!! (color font) just saying.

at any rate, this isn't even related to the op. is it? LOL i dont even know why i am here. I want to go in the other direction. UP
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:04 AM   #39
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Here is a ride height sneak peak for everybody to look at while we are waitting for averagewhiteboy's springs to arrive

http://minkara.carview.co.jp/en/part...&bi=8&mo=54759
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:37 AM   #40
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Here is a ride height sneak peak for everybody to look at while we are waitting for averagewhiteboy's springs to arrive

http://minkara.carview.co.jp/en/part...&bi=8&mo=54759
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3t6e33/
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:50 AM   #41
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No no no.. That looks proper. Good find! That even looks good with the "normal" 17's (yes, I know that's the wheel on the JDM wagon too, haha)
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:49 PM   #42
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Agreed, that's a little too low for my needs. Still want to have some snow clearance when I head up to the mountains.

Definitely want to see some results from anyone installing H&R springs. I've been contemplating getting some for the front of my Soob. After I put on 18s with a little meatier tire(235/45) the rear is perfect, all even wheel gap, but the front end still has an additional 1.5"-2" gap. The unevenness of it bugs me.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:17 AM   #43
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Hi All, got a couple noob questions as I've been contemplating this for a bit but I'm new to suspension mods. I've been reading the threads on suspension but still got a couple of questions.

1) Will the H&R springs lower it too much? It states 1.5-2". I read in the suspension supersticky that 14" from wheel center to fender is ideal, but when I measured mine I'm about 15" right now. So then a drop of 1.5-2" would be too much, wouldn't it? Or does that 14" rule of thumb only apply to previous models?
2) So for those who plan on lowering, you're all doing this on stock struts right? Doesn't that make them wear out faster? Or does everyone just do it, knowing that it will die prematurely in a couple of years and then just replace the struts then?
3) I didn't know you can lower the fronts only? Wouldn't that screw something up or is unsafe? I'm assuming the car is designed to have higher fronts for a reason though, isn't it?

And I'm also looking forward to seeing averagewhiteboy's pics with springs.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:26 AM   #44
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http://minkara.carview.co.jp/en/part...&bi=8&mo=54759
Fuaaark that looks soo good man can't wait to get a set just need some New wheels instead of the 16 hubcaps lol
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