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Old 03-23-2014, 11:40 AM   #1
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Default Built 2.5l + Dom 1.5xtr*10cm makes 410/475 race109, 392/405 on 93-Dynojet

Event: Dyno
Location: IAG Performance, Westminster MD
Ambient Temp: 53.5 degrees F
Elevation: Idk
Weather: Cloudy/Cool
Tires: Dunlop Snow Tires

Car: 2011, STI
Tuner: Jorge
Dyno Info: Dynojet
Transmission: Stock 6 speed
Gear, 3rd or 4th, I do not recall
Peak HP at RPM:
410.40 Whp @ 27.26lb of boost SAE Uncorrected. (MS109)
391.94whp @ 21.86lb of boost SAE Uncorrected. (93 pump)
Peak Torque at RPM:
475.56tq SAE Uncorrected. (MS109)
405.30tq SAE Uncorrected. (93 pump)
Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: Stock STI= 230whp
Target Boost: 27 tapering down as you move up in gears, do not recall exact #s
Target AFR:
Fuel: MS 109 Race Gas
Engine/Power Modifications Built IAG Shortblock. 2.5l w/ stock heads
Driveline Modifications: Act Heavy Duty Street clutch, stock flywheel
Suspension Modifications: Stock (Have white line sways+endlinks waiting to go on)
Other Modifications: None. Stock interior.

Full Modification List:
2.5l FHI Case Half set
Manley Platinum Pistons
Manley Steel H Beam Connecting Rod
FHI Crank Heat Treated
FHI Gasket set
ARP Head Stud Kit
Killer B Motorsport ultimate oil pickup
FHI Oil pump 11mm
FHI Oil Cooler complete w/ gasket
FHI Oil Pan
IAG Air Pump block off plates
FHI Oil Feed line w/ filter
FHI FPR
Stock Cams and heads
ACL Rod bearings
ACL Main bearings
TGVs- IAG deletes
Crawford Air/Oil Separator
Gates Racing Timing Belt
Turbo- Blouch Dominator 1.5 XT-R * 10cm Hotside
Perrin Turbo Blanket
Wastegate: Tial 38mm EWG w/ dump tube (sounds so sick and scares the **** out of people, I love it!!)
Intercooler: FMS Front Mount intercooler w/ Wrinkle Red piping.
Mishimoto Coolant reservoir
BPV: GFB Hybrid 50/50 Blow off: Currently set for 100% recirc. for drivability
Turbo Inlet: Perrin 2.4”- RED
Intake: IAG Big MAF Intake w/ K&N Filter (custom piping for intercooler)
Uppipe: Gt spec with EWG bung
Header: Gt Spec UEL
Downpipe: Invidia catless
CBE: Invidia
Fuel Pump: walbro 255lp
Fuel Injectors: Injector Dynamics 1000s
Rails: Stock
Boost Control: Grimmspeed Electronic Boost Control Solenoid
NGK Spark Plug Iridium One Step Colder
Clutch: ACT Heavy Duty Street Clutch with stock flywheel
Tuned by Accessport sub 003
Oil: 5w40 Motul Synthetic, change every < 3k miles

Mods to add in my possession:
Whiteline 22mm Front Swaybar
Whiteline 22m Rear Swarbar
Kartboy Front Endlinks
Kartboy Rear Endlinks
Finally some suspension mods, right? :P

The only problems I have run into with this build over the past year was the damn O ring in my fuel pump has decided to be a pain in the ass twice. Twice it has had to be pulled and reseated. Other than that, I can not thank IAG Performance enough for their amazing communication, professionalism and taking pride in making sure their customers are happy! I seriously have not listened to the radio for the last two days and get a big smile on my face every time I hear my EWG start raging! - I love it.
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Old 03-23-2014, 11:40 AM   #2
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MS 109: try double clicking on the image if it appears too small for you. Thanks.






BELOW IS PUMP 93 MAP


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Old 03-23-2014, 05:14 PM   #3
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Quite a ride from 3-4k, looks like a lot of fun!!
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Old 03-23-2014, 05:17 PM   #4
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Old 03-23-2014, 11:55 PM   #5
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why the conservative tune on race juice....?

looks like your tuner dumped ~5psi above 5k...
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:33 AM   #6
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This is a daily driver, prob shoulda mentioned that

looking @ your tune back on stage 2, your tuner did the same thing. THey always drop it down as you move up.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2335051
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why the conservative tune on race juice....?

looks like your tuner dumped ~5psi above 5k...

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Old 03-24-2014, 05:54 AM   #7
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Because the turbo is a small turbo. Its only a 49lbs turbo.

It is a little surprising the heads weren't cammed with Kelford B cams or GSC S1 cams to help the VE from rolling off hard above 5500rpm. Having a nice flat ve until 6500-7000 would have been great, but it is what it is.

Allow me to show you something I have put together in a excel spreadsheet. Will post in a few.

Code:
Wa = Airflowactual(lb/min)
CHP	WHP (est)A/f    BFSC    Wa (lb/min)
500	450	10.9	0.55	50
480	430	10.9	0.55	48
460	410	10.9	0.55	46
440	390	10.9	0.55	44
420	370	10.9	0.55	42
400	350	10.9	0.55	40
380	330	10.9	0.55	38
360	310	10.9	0.55	36
340	290	10.9	0.55	34
320	270	10.9	0.55	32
300	250	10.9	0.55	30
200	150	10.9	0.55	20
In theory for a 2.5 engine and intake temperatue of 122F @ 27.26psi. I only map at 27 based on his curve, but you get the idea

Engine flow:
Code:
2500	3000	3500	4000	4500	5000	5500	6000	6500	
24	30	35	40	44	49	54	59	64
As you can see, after 5000 or thereabout depending on his engine ve and other factors, boost needs to start rolling off. Again, no posting in reference to his ve, but after 5000 boost needs to be pull to 23psi. yeap.

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Old 03-24-2014, 06:09 AM   #8
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If money grew on trees, i'd be driving a ferrari, not a subaru. :P
Heads and Cams will likely be down the road. I am going to pick up a set of doner heads to have built. So i am ready for when the motor is pulled. I had catastrophic engine failure so, shyting 15k for that at once was tough enough. Hence why i held off on Cams/Heads. Thinking of going Dom3 when i do them too.

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Because the turbo is a small turbo. Its a 49lbs turbo.

It is a little surprising the heads weren't cammed with Kelford B cams or GSC S1 cams to help the VE from rolling off hard above 5500rpm. Having a nice flat ve until 6500-7000 would have been great, but it is what it is.

Allow me to show you something I have put together in a excel spreadsheet. Will post in a few.
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Old 03-24-2014, 06:14 AM   #9
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That's ok. Your car is a nice car for short twisty road or autocross, autoX or what ever auto. Enjoy it.

I know the expense. I have a customer building. Original budget was $10K. We are far over it. I wanted him to get an MPS engine, but it wasn't possible. Cost going through the roof.

The Dom 3 would be sweet. I personal will keep following this page when you do.

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Old 03-24-2014, 08:28 AM   #10
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Quite a ride from 3-4k, looks like a lot of fun!!
Set the rev limit at 5800rpm and have fun all day. What a lucky fellow on MS109

If you have VP RallyMax, try it You will sure cross the 500wft.lb

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Old 03-24-2014, 01:06 PM   #11
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I think your build would be a great candidate for a UEL to EL header comparison. Would definitly hold better power up top possibly increase torque down low as well. There is definitly more power to be had by going EL.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:49 PM   #12
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This is a daily driver, prob shoulda mentioned that

looking @ your tune back on stage 2, your tuner did the same thing. THey always drop it down as you move up.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2335051
^link to your thread
you daily on race gas...?

in my eyes, the point of a race gas tune is to make max power otherwise what is the point...?....that turbo has 450whp in it easy on 109...on a built motor ?...ha, no sweat...

btw, my old oem vf pro tune on stock block is not remotely comparable to a dom1.5 on a built motor...

anyways, i'm not hating...heck, i've got a 1.5 as well, 'cept i'm still on the stock block...
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Old 03-25-2014, 12:47 PM   #13
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Not going to get 450whp out of a 1.5 unless its like sub zero temps with headwork, lol. I have stock heads and cams, Maybe with built heads, but not with the mods that i have. I ran race gas one time, Cost me AEM Map Sensor and 5 gallons of race gas, why not? Ofc i wont drive it daily on race gas, but when i take it on vacation to the beach (OC MD for those local guys) and stuff, you best believe ill be rolling down with a few 5 gallon cans :P
The point of building the block and running a smaller turbo was to keep reliability.
I wish i could afford to daily on race gas. Woulda gone e85 but there are not enough pumps within my living radius to make it worth my time without having to plan trips.

And sure its a very easy compare your old vf tune to a 1.5. They are both small turbos and i was refering to the same curve they both produced and how they both dropped off in the higher rpms. Could always go with a bigger turbo that pulls thru all the higher rpms, then it spools later. Its one or the other tbh.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:57 PM   #14
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i wouldnt worry about falling off. Your going to be revving past 6500 on the street?????
very nice build, excellent curve man enjoy it.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:57 PM   #15
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i wouldnt worry about falling off. Your going to be revving past 6500 on the street?????
very nice build, excellent curve man enjoy it.
Have you honestly NEVER been over 6500 RPM on the street? I'll call BS on that one.

OP, glad you are happy with your results, If/when you do headwork this thing will have a BEAUTIFUL power band even if it simply holds flat after peak.
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:04 PM   #16
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stock turbo so i honestly havent. i can see people with stronger cars finding the need to wind it out a bit more.
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stock turbo so i honestly havent. i can see people with stronger cars finding the need to wind it out a bit more.
First for everything I guess.
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:54 PM   #18
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Where is your pump gas dyno sheet? I would like to see it if possible.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:15 PM   #19
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Where is your pump gas dyno sheet? I would like to see it if possible.

added it, sorry ive been slacking
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Old 03-28-2014, 04:40 AM   #20
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Nice numbers.

I have almost the same setup,
Mps long rod motor
Stock heads
1.5 8cm 3 inch inlet
Tgvs
Id 1000's w/ rails
Front mount
Tial 44 external
Ect

Made 370whp
370 wtq
92oct
On cobbs mustang dyno

So similar power bands
And numbers (pump wise)as you were on a dynojet.
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Nice numbers. I have almost the same setup, Mps long rod motor Stock heads 1.5 8cm 3 inch inlet Tgvs Id 1000's w/ rails Front mount Tial 44 external Ect Made 370whp 370 wtq 92oct On cobbs mustang dyno So similar power bands And numbers (pump wise)as you were on a dynojet.
You can't really go off what type of dyno it is anymore for comparing. Mustangs have changed there calibrations in recent time frame so they appear to read more closer to dynojet than they use to. Also I've seen dyno comparisons of cobbs mustang vs dynojet and it read higher than the DJ did. Also to many companies have come up with their own calibrations. The one good thing for DJ is as long as your weather inputs are correct all of them read close to each. Not the case with other dynos.

Also I see a lot of people showing uncorrected numbers, that is useless. As 2 cars could be making different numbers, one tuned when hot and other when cold. You would think by looking at dyno sheets they made different power, but in reality on same weather conditions day they would make the same power.
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Old 03-28-2014, 11:47 AM   #22
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Agreed^ except the part about uncorrected numbers being useless.

I like seeing both corrected and uncorrected so you can see the difference yourself some times the corrections are stupid high...IE elevation.
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Agreed, just saying our power bands were almost identical , i dont care about numbers .
Virtually the same setup so im sure there close in the hp department.
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:00 PM   #24
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Damn impressive numbers on the Dom1.5 XTR for sure

Torque city
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Old 03-29-2014, 02:02 PM   #25
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Good stuff. I'm still loving my Iag built block too. I still can't beleiev your block when it was at iag lolol. People have cracked rings. You get a hole in your engine
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