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Old 03-03-2013, 03:18 PM   #1
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Default Help choosing a EJ22t Hybrid to put in a '95 Legacy L

so, ive been searching here and nasioc for a couple hours looking for the best route to take here but being new to the turbo world im getting a bit lost due to a lot of conflicting info im reading...


Available:
-I've got a seized up DOHC ej22e i'm pulling out of my 95 Legacy
-I've also got a complete ej22t longblock out of a '94 SS

-and technically, a DOHC ej25d, although this is in my dd '98 fozzy so i can't afford too much downtime to swap parts (unless it's worth it)

i'v never had a turbo'd motor before although ive gained a bit of knowledge by reading around,

Goals:
-I really want to shoot for more torque and low end acceleration than anything high end, this will end up as a dd/lightly tracked car...
-Aiming for 250whp
-Want to stay obdII

Budget:

- i'd like to upgrade the minimum to get the car running to start as inexpensively as possible ..and then build on it from there to find out which direction i want to go from there..
-College student, i probably wont be dropping more than about $300 on a single part


Build plan rough draft:

-1st gen Turbo Xmember
-ej22t shortblock
-eg20g/k heads, matching IM (wiring harness, ecu?)
-440cc injectors
-wrx fuel pump
-td05 turbo
-delta camshaft grind (unsure of what grind yet)
- ???

Questions:

(1)will i need fuel rails?, side feed or top feed?
(2) can i run off stock internals to reach my whp goal? if not, what are good internals?
(3) i'm assuming i'm going to need the ecu matching the heads and IM, will i need the entire wiring harness from them too?
(4)^im hearing good about robtune, would a greddy emanage ultimate be a sufficient EM to use for that?
(5) what else do i need to know?

anything from that mess of info anyone would recommend?
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:04 PM   #2
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just buy a $1000 g off ebay with a trans, find a wiring harness and ecu. easiest and cheapest way
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:20 PM   #3
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i've been thinking about that, so the 22t block isnt all that great after all nowadays?
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:30 PM   #4
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nothing needed for what you want to use, but they are still good
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:26 PM   #5
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These two are incompatible;

- eg20g/k heads

- Want to stay obdII
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:52 PM   #6
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Yeah, I hadn't realized those were obd2, I was under them impression they were while i made up that list
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:29 AM   #7
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this is just a bad idea
IF you want more power and need to stay obd-2 a 02-05 ej205 swap is hands down the way to go

you may get what you want out of the custom hodge poge but it will never perform like you want it to
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:30 PM   #8
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I am curious why OBDII is your goal when;

1) you have a '95 (typically not tested as OBDII)
2) you live in E. WA (no emissions)?

Also note that the 2.0 heads you are looking at will drop your compression down to around 7.8:1. This is also not conducive to your goal of more low end torque. You can fix that with aftermarket pistons, but it wasn't on your build list.

If you want more info on how the Robtune works for the ej22t folks, do a search on legacy central. If you go the chip route, you won't need the emanage. Of course if you follow Jaxx's advice, you have open source for all your tuning needs. It doesn't sound like it fits your budget however.

Either way, I think it would serve you better to sell off what you have, save your money and look for a complete motor (either ej22t or ej20g) w/wiring and bits. You will save yourself some newbie headaches and have a car you can enjoy a lot sooner. Just my opinion.

-Rob
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:17 PM   #9
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well, i've got another couple years before i dont have to do emissions in e.wa but after reading into it, it looks like you guys are right as far as just going with the ej205

especially for my first step beyond n/a, and with my budget
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