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Old 05-13-2011, 08:50 AM   #1
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What's the best police car? An annual study by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department that puts all the top candidates, including utilities vehicles, through some grueling tests. Then it posts the results online for all law agencies around the country to review.The study helps settle some of the chest beating by individual departments. The department doesn't pick an overall favorite. It just posts results in each category, and we give a synopsis of the tests below.

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Out of more than a dozen vehicles tested, we're focusing on the three that are set to replace the Ford Crown Victoria, which goes out of production at the end of the year. They are the front-wheel-drive Ford Taurus with EcoBoost turbocharging, dubbed the Police Interceptor; the Dodge Charger with a big 5.7-liter Hemi engine and the Australian-built Chevrolet Impala, also with a big V-8.Looking at the result, which was best? The turbocharged Ford was the fastest, and it and the Caprice look best for handling. In a high-speed pursuit, however, you might want the most powerful Charger.
Here's how the three did in major performance categories:
  • 32-lap track test. The cars all averaged about the same speed, around 63 miles per hour except for the turbocharged Ford, which averaged 64 mph. As for handling, the Caprice registered top marks, a 10, in every category: steering, body lean, bounce, brake fade, brake pull and anti-lock brake performance. The Charger was marked down, a 5, for bounce and the anti-lock brakes. The Ford received all 10s except for bounce, where it got a 9.
  • Pursuit. In test that tries to replicate how a car would act if it were chasing another car, the Caprice and Ford both got 9s for steering and body lean. The rest of their marks were 10s. The Charger, in its most powerful version, got perfect 10s.
  • Acceleration. In zero to 60 mph, the Ford was the fastest. With the turbocharger, it went the distance in 4.37 seconds. The Caprice was next at 6 seconds flat and the Charger, despite that big Hemi, was 6.1.
  • Braking. In halting the car in an emergency stop from 60 mph, the Caprice came in at 138 feet; the Charger stopped in less than 142 feet feet and the Ford was just over 143 feet.
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it went the distance in 4.37 seconds.
I'm raising the BS flag.
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I agree.

4.37 seconds with front wheel drive? The taurus SHO does it in 5.5 with all wheel drive.
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4.37 seconds with front wheel drive? The taurus SHO does it in 5.5 with all wheel drive.
They misread the results. The 4.37 number was 0-50. For 0-60 it was actually 5.83 seconds. And it's not FWD, it's AWD.
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that's still pretty damn quick compared to a Crown Vic
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The department doesn't pick an overall favorite. It just posts results in each category, and we give a synopsis of the tests below.
Wait, wha..?
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I agree.

4.37 seconds with front wheel drive? The taurus SHO does it in 5.5 with all wheel drive.
The Police Interceptor Taurus is the SHO.
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They misread the results. The 4.37 number was 0-50. For 0-60 it was actually 5.83 seconds. And it's not FWD, it's AWD.
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The Police Interceptor Taurus is the SHO.
I was confused about that, but I was going by what the article said:

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Yeah, the article is less than stellar.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...eptor-car_news
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2012 Ford Police Interceptor - Car News
After only 30 years or so, Ford’s Crown Vic cop-car replacement finally arrives.

BY JARED GALL, PHOTOGRAPHY BY AARON KILEY, JEFFERY G. RUSSEL, AND THE MANUFACTURER
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For some, it seems like Ford’s Crown Victoria has been the single car we most feared in our mirrors for our entire driving lives. While private sales of the Crown Vic ceased in 2008, sales to fleets—read “police departments”—will continue through 2011. Then, after 15 years on the job, the Crown Vic will retire to a restless life of obsessively mowing the lawn, trying to get interested in cooking, and relentlessly nagging its wife about the dust mites in the living room.

Come 2012, though, there’ll be a new sheriff (cruiser) in town. It’ll be Taurus-based, although we wonder about Ford’s complete avoidance of the word “Taurus” in its presentation of the new Police Interceptor, as it is called. A vote of unconfidence in the full-size sedan? Instead, the company repeatedly referred to its “purpose-built” Police Interceptor. It isn’t. Consider it “purpose-modified.”

High-Speed Chases? Check

Like the Taurus upon which it is based, the Police Interceptor will offer a choice of V-6s: a naturally aspirated 3.5-liter V-6 and an EcoBoost turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6. Both are promised to produce more power in police trim than their respective civilian forms of 265 hp for the unboosted motor and 365 for the twin-turbo EcoBoost. The n/a engine will offer the choice of front- or all-wheel drive, while the EcoBoost will only be available with all-wheel drive. Ford says the all-wheel-drive system will sport unique tuning for more predictable handling and better dynamic behavior, but won’t share specifics on what that might mean. The Taurus SHO with which the Police Interceptor shares its turbo powertrain already demonstrates a surprising balance for its weight, so we suspect the system’s tuning won’t be all that unique.

What will be wholly unique will be the interior of the cop Taurus, which is said to be up to 90 percent new in the Interceptor. There’s a column shifter for the six-speed automatic, as opposed to the console-mounted shifter of nonpurpose-built Tauruses. The front seats have the lower bolstering removed, to provide a dish for officers’ utility belts. The center console remains the same width as the outgoing Crown Vic cruiser’s, the better to facilitate adaptation of current computer equipment to the new car. Anti-roll bars are often referred to as “stability bars” or “stab bars,” but the PI has “anti-stab plates.” They go in the backs of the front seats not so much to upset the suspension so much as to prevent shiv-equipped back-seat passengers from stabbing the officers in the front. To allow easier loading and unloading of perps, the rear doors have been modified to open an additional 10 degrees, for a total of 71. Supermarket-parking-lot door dings across America have us hoping this modification stays a police-only development.

Cop Shocks, Cop Tires, Cop Brakes

Other modifications for civil service include the usual police-car enhancements to the brakes, suspension, and electrical and cooling systems. The braking system gets new rotors and calipers for an improvement of 60 percent in swept area, an upgrade we hope makes its way to the everyday SHO. Unspecified improvements mean the Taurus can now take on eight-inch curbs at 40 mph, which ought to benefit both cops and the drunks they pursue. Myriad electrical improvements begin with a 220-amp alternator (about 40 percent higher than an average sedan of this size) and include numerous wiring improvements to make it easier for municipalities to hook up the various tools used in police cruisers. Engine cooling is improved through the addition of a radiator with about two times the cooling capacity of the average full-size sedan. (Can’t have those cops losing their cool.) Despite all the extras, Ford says fuel economy with the base V-6 will be a 25-percent improvement over the Crown Vic. However, when your benchmark is the Crown Vic, improvements of less than 7000 percent are somewhat of a letdown. The EcoBoost V-6 will still beat the Vic on the fuel-economy front, although Ford won’t say by how much.

Not only will the cops be able to plug their own computers into the Taurus Police Interceptor’s console, but the computing power of the cruiser itself is amped up, too. Standard equipment will include blind-spot warning, cross-traffic monitors for low-speed situations, and a camera and sensors to aid reversing. Ballistic door panels will be optional.

A Paddy Wagon, or More Likely a Paddy SUV

Ford says that, over the past five years, it has maintained upwards of 70 percent of the police market, and it expects to retain that share. To help achieve that goal, Dearborn promises a utility police vehicle based on this same platform, which it will announce in the third quarter of 2010. Bet on it being a version of the upcoming Explorer, although we’d love to see a Flex cop-wagon, too.

Ford says it has worked closely with police departments across the country in preparing this car, but that’s a claim made by every manufacturer introducing a new cruiser today, and we have our doubts about whether or not Ford can maintain its dominance in this market. The last major front-drive police cruiser, the Chevrolet Impala, was poorly received and plagued by reliability issues when faced with the stresses of police work. With the Dodge Charger out there now as a sturdier option for police forces—not to mention the upcoming Chevrolet Caprice PPV—Ford may be in the unenviable and unusual position of having the weakest entry in the competitive police market. We’ll see when production of the Taurus Police Interceptor begins at the end of 2011.
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USA Today. I had to send them an email on this one. Terrible journalism.
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I wonder about the durability/ease of repair factor when comparing V8s to a twin-turbo V6.
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I wonder about the durability/ease of repair factor when comparing V8s to a twin-turbo V6.
LSx = less parts = less stuff to break
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Given that most of the time cruisers are riding around at low speed, sitting idling, or parked...

Put bench seats and a light bar on a Prius and be done with it.
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Given that most of the time cruisers are riding around at low speed, sitting idling, or parked...

Put bench seats and a light bar on a Prius and be done with it.
Parachutes spend most of their time folded up in a backpack.. perhaps they should all be replaced with bedsheets...
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It's okay, we can still cut more funds from the school budget so the police can buy fuel.

I hear the Opel Astra is a common police vehicle in the rest of the world.
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I thought the test was looking at the toughest car. I did not see any durability testing going on. Pursuit capability is near the bottom of the list of needs on a cop car. Any car that is decent in terms of handling and speed is more than enough for 99.9% of departments. The maintenance rating and MPG rating at the end are pretty useless. I want to see that the vehicles get while on a normal patrol duty. Stating the manufacturers MPG is about as far from actuality as it gets. While cop cars are high maintenance, there still mostly low mileage vehicles(except highway patrol) that require extra maintenance on some components, brakes, suspension work(on the charges especially), transmission, and fluids. They should have done what a normal PM schedule cost over a year in terms of money and time, with what non PM parts are expected to be replaced. I want to see a vehicle cost comparison based on historical data. I would want to see a car that requires the least maintenance, uses the least fuel, has the best visibility, is the safest, is the easiest to clean in terms of the back seat, and one that has the best factory support. Really all this test was for is an excuse for some police officers to flog some vehicles around a test track on tax payer money. Horrible test, but I would of loved to participate.
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Put bench seats and a light bar on a Prius and be done with it.

I work in a city with a lot of rural subdivisions. When we get our serious calls, sometimes it can take up to 45 minutes to get there.

Our downtown core is more urban but still spaced out. something with insane acceleration would be great. ..seeing how the Crown Vic is just a dog.
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I work in a city with a lot of rural subdivisions. When we get our serious calls, sometimes it can take up to 45 minutes to get there.

Our downtown core is more urban but still spaced out. something with insane acceleration would be great. ..seeing how the Crown Vic is just a dog.
Your problem is not the car but the distance. How much time could you really make up with a faster car?
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I work in a city with a lot of rural subdivisions. When we get our serious calls, sometimes it can take up to 45 minutes to get there.

Our downtown core is more urban but still spaced out. something with insane acceleration would be great. ..seeing how the Crown Vic is just a dog.
Kawasaki Concours Police Edition? 0-100 is about 8 or 9 seconds... Not so good in the snow or for transporting suspects.
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Damn that's good. The early 2000's version of the police Impala was designed for 25 mph curb impact survivability.
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Damn that's good. The early 2000's version of the police Impala was designed for 25 mph curb impact survivability.

Yep I went up a small curb at 5mph in our only Impala cruiser and punched a hole in the oil pan.
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I'm surprised you don't just all use SUVs up there.
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Yeah, up here they have Chevy Tahoes for PD, CHP uses everything it seems here, but winter they use Expeditions and Dakotas. Cant imagine in the Yukon you all are fighting over the Impala...
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Yeah, up here they have Chevy Tahoes for PD, CHP uses everything it seems here, but winter they use Expeditions and Dakotas. Cant imagine in the Yukon you all are fighting over the Impala...

It's the garbage car of our fleet. i actually prefer the unmarked forester
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