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Old 03-13-2014, 08:01 PM   #1
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:39 AM   #2
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Too lazy to watch. What's the list?
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:17 AM   #3
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:59 AM   #4
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Broke my click finger. What's the list?
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Old 03-14-2014, 08:56 AM   #5
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Good video, was gonna post it up in the Civic Type R thread

The list pretty much talks about the group A rally homologation cars from the 90s and of course more recent wrx/STi, evo, R32s... Etc.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:45 AM   #6
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^ description too vague. What's the list?
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:41 AM   #7
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The list pretty much talks about the group A rally homologation cars from the 90s and of course more recent wrx/STi, evo, R32s... Etc.
Soooo all the AWD cars under 30K??
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:04 AM   #8
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what the hell is a list?

what ever it is, i want to see it as well
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:27 AM   #9
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I laughed a bit when the one guy said he had never heard of the GTI-R before. That and the 323 GTX/GTR were perfect examples of the "pocket rocket".
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Old 03-14-2014, 03:23 PM   #10
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It's worth watching to learn about the "unicorn" car near the end.
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Old 03-14-2014, 05:10 PM   #11
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^ description too vague. What's the list?
Group A rally cars

Alfa Romeo GTV6
Alfa Romeo 75 Turbo
Audi 200
Audi 90 Quattro
Type 85 Audi Coupe Quattro
Volkswagen Golf Rallye G60
Lancia Delta HF 4WD
Lancia Delta Integrale
Lancia Delta Integrale 16V
Lancia Delta HF Integrale
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST165
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST185 / Celica Turbo 4WD
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205
Mazda 323 4WD
Mazda 323 GT-X
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution I
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 6.5
Mitsubishi Lancer EX2000 Turbo
Mitsubishi Lancer RS
Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Nissan Sunny GTi-R
Nissan Pulsar GTI-R NME
SEAT Ibiza 1.8 16v
SEAT Ibiza Kit Car
Subaru RX Turbo
Subaru Vivio Sedan 4WD
Subaru Impreza 555
Subaru Impreza WRX
Subaru Leone
Subaru Legacy RS
Subaru Impreza GC
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS Cosworth 4x4
Ford Sierra XR 4x4
Hyundai Accent LC
Renault 11 Turbo
Renault 5 GT Turbo
Renault Clio 16S
Opel Kadett GSi
Opel Kadett GSi 16V
Opel Calibra 16V
Opel Calibra Turbo 4x4
Peugeot 205 GTI
Vauxhall Astra GTE
CitroŽn Xsara Kit Car

Group B


Alfa Romeo Alfasud Sprint 6C
Audi Quattro A1
Audi Quattro A2
Audi Sport Quattro S1
Audi Sport Quattro S1 E2
BMW M1
CitroŽn BX 4TC EVO
CitroŽn Visa Chrono II
CitroŽn Visa Mille Pistes
CitroŽn Visa Trophťe
Daihatsu Charade 926 Turbo
Daihatsu Charade DeTomaso 926R
Ferrari 288 GTO
Ferrari 288 GTO Evoluzione
Ferrari 308 GTB Michelotto
Ford Escort RS 1700T
Ford RS200 E
Ford RS200 E2
FSO Polonez 2000
Lada Samara EVA
Lada VFTS
Lancia 037
Lancia Delta S4
Mazda RX-7
Mercedes 190E Cosworth
MG Metro 6R4
Mitsubishi Lancer 2000 Turbo
Mitsubishi Starion 4WD
Moskvich 2141-KR
Nissan 240RS
Opel Kadett 4S
Opel Manta 400
Opel Manta 400 4WD
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evo 2
Peugeot 305 V6
Peugeot 504 Pickup
Porsche 911 Carrera
Porsche 911 SC RS
Porsche 911 Turbo RS
Porsche 924 Turbo Carrera GT
Porsche 928S
Porsche 959
Renault 5 Turbo
Renault R5 Maxi Turbo
Renault Alpine A310 V6
SEAT Fura Crono 1.6?
SEAT Ibiza Marathon
Škoda 130 LR
Subaru XT 4WD Turbo
Talbot Horizon
Talbot Samba Rallye
Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
Toyota Celica Twin-Cam Turbo TA64
Toyota 222D

Got a list up sourced from wikipedia (not all are AWD), pretty much the video talks about this list but only mentions a few
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:02 AM   #12
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How was the 3000gt vr4 not mentioned?
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:28 AM   #13
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Group A rally cars

Alfa Romeo GTV6
Alfa Romeo 75 Turbo
Audi 200
Audi 90 Quattro
Type 85 Audi Coupe Quattro
Volkswagen Golf Rallye G60
Lancia Delta HF 4WD
Lancia Delta Integrale
Lancia Delta Integrale 16V
Lancia Delta HF Integrale
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST165
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST185 / Celica Turbo 4WD
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205
Mazda 323 4WD
Mazda 323 GT-X
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution I
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 6.5
Mitsubishi Lancer EX2000 Turbo
Mitsubishi Lancer RS
Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Nissan Sunny GTi-R
Nissan Pulsar GTI-R NME
SEAT Ibiza 1.8 16v
SEAT Ibiza Kit Car
Subaru RX Turbo
Subaru Vivio Sedan 4WD
Subaru Impreza 555
Subaru Impreza WRX
Subaru Leone
Subaru Legacy RS
Subaru Impreza GC
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS Cosworth 4x4
Ford Sierra XR 4x4
Hyundai Accent LC
Renault 11 Turbo
Renault 5 GT Turbo
Renault Clio 16S
Opel Kadett GSi
Opel Kadett GSi 16V
Opel Calibra 16V
Opel Calibra Turbo 4x4
Peugeot 205 GTI
Vauxhall Astra GTE
CitroŽn Xsara Kit Car

Group B


Alfa Romeo Alfasud Sprint 6C
Audi Quattro A1
Audi Quattro A2
Audi Sport Quattro S1
Audi Sport Quattro S1 E2
BMW M1
CitroŽn BX 4TC EVO
CitroŽn Visa Chrono II
CitroŽn Visa Mille Pistes
CitroŽn Visa Trophťe
Daihatsu Charade 926 Turbo
Daihatsu Charade DeTomaso 926R
Ferrari 288 GTO
Ferrari 288 GTO Evoluzione
Ferrari 308 GTB Michelotto
Ford Escort RS 1700T
Ford RS200 E
Ford RS200 E2
FSO Polonez 2000
Lada Samara EVA
Lada VFTS
Lancia 037
Lancia Delta S4
Mazda RX-7
Mercedes 190E Cosworth
MG Metro 6R4
Mitsubishi Lancer 2000 Turbo
Mitsubishi Starion 4WD
Moskvich 2141-KR
Nissan 240RS
Opel Kadett 4S
Opel Manta 400
Opel Manta 400 4WD
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evo 2
Peugeot 305 V6
Peugeot 504 Pickup
Porsche 911 Carrera
Porsche 911 SC RS
Porsche 911 Turbo RS
Porsche 924 Turbo Carrera GT
Porsche 928S
Porsche 959
Renault 5 Turbo
Renault R5 Maxi Turbo
Renault Alpine A310 V6
SEAT Fura Crono 1.6?
SEAT Ibiza Marathon
äkoda 130 LR
Subaru XT 4WD Turbo
Talbot Horizon
Talbot Samba Rallye
Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
Toyota Celica Twin-Cam Turbo TA64
Toyota 222D

Got a list up sourced from wikipedia (not all are AWD), pretty much the video talks about this list but only mentions a few
That's a list of the best AWD cars I can buy for under $30k??
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:57 AM   #14
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How was the 3000gt vr4 not mentioned?
The test car's TD-04 turbos spun shafts, the AWS went out, and their active aero quit working!


Or at least that's how I imagine it went down.
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:39 AM   #15
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No Eclipse GSX?
That car was pretty much it for cheap AWD performance in the 90's. In America anyway.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:05 PM   #16
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Did you watch the show?
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Nope. What's the list?
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Old 03-18-2014, 03:12 PM   #18
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because it's hot garbage?
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:31 PM   #19
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And it weighs more than the city of Napal.
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:18 PM   #20
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How was the 3000gt vr4 not mentioned?
Flash from the past....

Why? Read the article below and you will understand. For your reading pleasure, Its a blast from the past when Sport Compact Car was still around and held the first Ultimate Street Car Challenge. The ultimate winner of this race, Paul Mumford, was sadly killed in a small planes Crash....


http://www.modified.com/features/030...gt_vr4_spyder/




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We'd been with Joe "Cabo" Privitier and his pearl white 3000GT VR-4 Spyder for almost a day when editor Oldham finally noticed the car's license plate. "Joe," he said, knowing of course he was playing right into Cabo's hands, "Why does your license plate say 'leg lover'?" (technically, it's LEGLUVR.) Privitier's eyes lit up. "Because I am," he shot back. Oldham seemed satisfied with the answer, but not surprised. On Cabo's USCC entry form, he wrote, "With the turbos spoolin' out 650 hp, I can easily leave a 360 Modena at 170 mph. By activating the hardtop convertible, all of the women, including yours, become anxious for some extreme fun 'n' sun!!


1996 Mitsubishi 3000Gt Vr4 Spyder High Front Right View

"That's two exclamation points.Clearly, Cabo's droptop cruiser can be considered the odd man out in this group of uncompromised performance machines, but for that moment you could actually see a thought go through Oldham's mind, "Maybe it's the rest of us who don't get it."Maybe.The 3000GT VR-4 has always been the odd car out. In the battle of the Japanese supercars, the VR-4 packed all the hardware and then some: twin turbos, all-wheel drive, electronically controlled shocks, four-wheel steering. It also tied the Supra for the most rated power of the genre (320hp). But take a Supra, RX-7, 300ZX TT and a 3000GT VR-4 out to a curving racetrack and, like a linebacker in a triathlon, it quickly becomes clear the Mitsubishi is out of place.


1996 Mitsubishi 3000Gt Vr4 Spyder Engine View

What we're trying to say here is the 3000GT is heavy. With the elaborate retractable hardtop and a bevy of chassis reinforcements intended to make up for its rooflessness, the VR-4 Spyder weighs in at 4,100 lbs. That's as much as Jerry Fink's Laminar Viking and James Chen's MR2 Spyder combined.Convertible or not, claiming 650 hp to go with your all-wheel drive makes people notice. But being able to claim 650 hp takes a lot of work. Like tearing apart the already beefy V6 and re-building it with a cryo-treated block, Arias forged pistons that keep the stock, 8.0:1 compression ratio, and forged chrome-moly Pauter rods. Like going through the heads with a grinder and the abrasive putty of Extrude Hone, then adding a 1mm larger Ferrea intake and exhaust valves. Like replacing the tiny stock turbos with something bigger. He says they're TD04-17G turbos, but since there's no such thing, we're really not sure what they are. If he's going to back up his smack, they must be something serious.


1996 Mitsubishi 3000Gt Vr4 Spyder Interior View

He does, at least, have enough fuel to feed that power, with six 660 cc/min RC Engineering injectors, a Denso fuel pump and a Unichip piggyback ECU. That was a lot of work. So was squeezing twin HKS intercoolers, HKS' hard-pipe kit, and two HKS Super Sequential blow-off valves under the VR-4's very crowded hood. Somehow, he also found time to polish or chrome every visible piece of metal.

And those fancy cockpit-adjustable shocks are long gone, replaced with 16-way adjustable Tein HA coil-overs.That's all serious equipment, but like the stock 3000GT, you have to wonder what it will add up to. And like the original, it's the things that don't get mentioned you have to worry about. Like stock brakes (though cross-drilled and fitted with EBC pads) that will have to dissipate all the energy 650 hp and 4,100 lbs. can create. Or the sensible Toyo T1-S tires that will have to compete with the gummy Hoosiers worn by most of the competition.

Six hundred and fifty hp will go a long way in a lot of the contests, but sheer mass, small brakes and street tires make this car a long shot. If it doesn't work out in the performance tests, we've got a feeling ol' Cabo won't be too distressed. After all, he's still got that convertible thing planned with



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Old 03-19-2014, 09:50 AM   #21
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because it's hot garbage?
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And it weighs more than the city of Napal.
Look at the 3 of us.. in complete agreement about a car.

I had a buddy who was crazy about 3000GTs... they were such heaps. Just terrible cars to be inside of and terrible to drive.
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:26 PM   #22
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Did you watch the show?
After/Drive and Drive Central are probably the most boring things on the Drive network, I wouldn't be surprised if he skimmed through the episode like most of us do. I really find the host to be super dry and boring to watch.
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:55 PM   #23
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Where's the Peugeot 405 T16? I bet they're worth less than thirty thousand these days.
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:24 PM   #24
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because it's hot garbage?
It wasn't bad of a car, just too heavy

They had too much tech into it. AWD, Twin-turbo, all wheel steering, adjustable suspension, active aero, tons of luxury and amenities. It was a gran tourer more than a sports car.

They look good still
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