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Old 02-25-2015, 06:11 AM   #1
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In the vast space that exists in the Mercedes-Benz C-class lineup between the entry C300 and the balls-to-the-wall 2015 Mercedes-AMG C63, Mercedes-Benz currently offers the C400. Nice as that car is, though, one jack-of-all-trades model isn’t really suitable for spanning the divide, so Mercedes is bringing in reinforcements. Luxury-leaning, green-minded customers, for example, soon will have the option of the C350e plug-in hybrid. And folks who might otherwise be attracted to the Audi S4 and the BMW 335i xDrive will be mightily tempted by the car here, the 2016 C450 AMG 4MATIC. (Once the C450 arrives, in fact, it will replace the C400 in the lineup.)

As the new kid on the sports-sedan block, the C450 AMG 4MATIC has a lot to prove, and while it may not be a full-on Mercedes-AMG product like the steroidal C63, it contains enough of its big brother’s goodies to earn the AMG badge. It starts with a power boost for Benz’s twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6, from 329 horsepower and 354 lb-ft of torque in the C400 to a solid 362 horses and 384 lb-ft in the C450. Torque distribution for the 4MATIC all-wheel-drive system is fixed at 33 percent front and 67 percent rear. As with its competitors, the C450 AMG offers multiple drive modes (Eco, Comfort, Sport, Sport+, and Individual) that tweak throttle, transmission, suspension, and steering-effort parameters, and the seven-speed automatic is capable of shifting twice as quickly as the similar unit in the C400.




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Acceleration is forceful, as the power is delivered in a rapid crescendo and with but a whiff of turbo lag. Mercedes conservatively pegs zero to 60 mph at 4.9 seconds—we achieved 4.7 in the C400—and with all four wheels doing the clawing, it stays more glued to the road than the tail-happy, rear-drive C63, especially when rocketing away from tight, bumpy corners at full tilt. As with the C63, Sport and Sport+ downshifts are served up just when you want them with a throttle-blipped exhaust bark once you go for the brakes. All the while, the V-6 sounds incredible, with a lighter, less restrictive exhaust system than the C400 and a delicious crackling pop-pop-pop on overrun that recalls that of the Jaguar F-type V-6. This is a powertrain that encourages you to wring it out. Like, all the time.

Equally impressive is the C450 AMG’s chassis, which received quite a workout on the lumpy, twisting ribbons of asphalt that snake through southern Portugal’s Algarve region. The car rides on a uniquely developed multilink suspension with three-stage electronically adjustable dampers that come straight out of the C63. Whether bombing down smooth, high-speed straights or making quick left-right-left transitions on broken asphalt, the chassis loyally transmits the road’s texture at all four contact patches. Steering response is immediate, with satisfyingly linear buildup of effort and copious feedback tickling the driver’s fingertips. Even on long, winding descents, the brakes (with rotors measuring a robust 14.2 inches up front and 12.5 inches out back) always seemed to have enough power in reserve, with excellent pedal feedback. If there’s a bone to pick, it’s that the stiffest of the three-stage adjustable shock settings can be too brittle.





Almost All the AMG, All the Time

The C450 AMG looks almost exactly like the C63 and has a nearly identical interior, including the must-have optional one-piece racing-style seats. Indeed, from aesthetic and driving-comfort perspectives, at no point did we wish we were in the C63. Plus, as the C450 weighs some 200 pounds less than the C63, it drives smaller and feels nimbler, lending the midlevel car its own charm. One might see it as the spiritual successor to the 2002–2004 C32 AMG, which, when we last tested one, started at $52,120, or roughly where the C450 AMG 4MATIC is likely to fall without considering inflation. And the 349-hp C32 was slower, too.

So the eminently satisfying C450 AMG packs enough performance to be a full-blooded AMG model just a decade ago, and today it offers something like 75 to 80 percent of an Affalterbach special. Which is to say that it’s damn good.
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:27 PM   #2
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Between the BMW F30/80 and now this from MB, Audi has gone MIA. They still don't have an RS4 in the States to compete with the M3/C63, and their B9 S4 has been pushed back way more than it should have.

This car sounds pretty awesome.
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Old 02-25-2015, 01:19 PM   #3
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Token WAGON comment. If they were to offer a wagon in any of the C range, THIS would be the best one to do it with. Yummmmmm.
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:28 PM   #5
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I just watched that video torquemada posted. This would be very, very high on my list but the lack of 6-speed makes it a no-go from me.

That being said, I don't remember the last non-AMG car (completely AMG, that is) from MB I've been interested in. They really did something nice here.
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:03 PM   #6
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Not bad, essentially a poor man's C63 AMG then?
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:07 PM   #7
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Not bad, essentially a poor man's C63 AMG then?
MB's answer to the S4 and 335i M Sport.
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:34 PM   #8
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More the S4 and what an M340i would be like.

I spent some time test driving the S4 and the 335i M Sport. The only time the latter came close to the power and feel of the S4 was the example I drove with the MPPK. And by the time you load a 335 up with all the M aftermarket stuff, you're a stone's throw from a base M3 which is surprisingly well equipped.
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Old 02-27-2015, 12:26 AM   #9
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So will the C400s be really, really discounted around the time this comes out?

This is such an interesting car. As much as I love the full-blown AMG models, they're just so much more car than you need. The C450 AMG is a really good compromise.
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I'm just looking forward to testing a non-4Matic car once they're available here.
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Old 02-27-2015, 11:00 PM   #11
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I'm just looking forward to testing a non-4Matic car once they're available here.

Did they say they were planning a RWD version?
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:22 AM   #12
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Token WAGON comment. If they were to offer a wagon in any of the C range, THIS would be the best one to do it with. Yummmmmm.
This car looks so good in wagon form. http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/27/m...50-amg-4matic/





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Did they say they were planning a RWD version?
A RWD C300 (to replace the W204 C250) was announced upon introduction but not in the initial rollout. Here's hoping it's still in the works, as they're offered in other markets.
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Assuming you're talking about the sedan, the RWD C300 has been in dealerships since January. Saw them in person.
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Assuming you're talking about the sedan, the RWD C300 has been in dealerships since January. Saw them in person.
Yes, I see it now on mbusa.com configurator. I haven't seen one in person yet as in the part of the country where I live the W204 AWD:RWD C-Class mix always ran about 95:5, with that 5% split roughly equally between C250 and C350.
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Oh my god, that wagon... Hnnnghh
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Oh my god, that wagon... Hnnnghh
Looks even better in color



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I'm not a big fan of the C sedan's butt in person. In pics it looks fine, but on the road the rear is ruined by the taillights. I actually think the WRX taillights look better by comparison. I can't believe I even typed that...the C wagon lights wrap around and it looks far more balanced. The sedan lights on any color than red like in the OP force the ass to pucker. Reminds me a little of Bentley Continental lights in that they both appear a little too small and a tad too inboard giving the illusion they're stuck on in the wrong place rather than part of the design. Meh, it's prolly me. lol

It's all about that wagon! Jeezballs ^^^^^ THAT ^^^^^ looks soooo good.
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A. M. G.

Those three letters carry a lot of weight, especially to those who firmly believe that AMG is the hallowed performance pinnacle of the Mercedes-Benz brand. Those purists probably lifted an eyebrow at the front-drive platforms behind the CLA45 AMG and GLA45 AMG, and virtually every AMG-branded SUV that has hailed from the tuner-focused nameplate. But they might want to consider a second look at the 2016 Mercedes-Benz C450 AMG Sport.

No, it's not a full-blown, fire-breathing AMG like the C63, and it doesn't get the newfangled "Mercedes-AMG" nomenclature. But after spending some seat time in the C450 AMG Sport, there's a decent chance you'll be quite alright with that.

Inside and out, the C450 bears a strong visual resemblance to the mean looking, V8-powered, 469-horsepower C63 and its even fiercer, 503-hp, C63 S variant. The C-Class cockpit feels a bit snugger than you might expect considering its exterior proportions, particularly from the passenger seat. On the other hand, the new C-Class is also quite a bit more nicely appointed than its predecessor, which has inspired more than a few comparisons to the super posh S-Class. As for the C450 AMG, its more purposeful design cues and sportier details lend it a buttoned-down, modern feel. The biggest differentiator between the C and CLA class, however, is the rear of the cabin: the C's back seats are considerably roomier than the entry-level CLA's posterior perches.



In place of V8 power, the modest 450 AMG packs a more reasonably endowed twin-turbocharged, 3.0-liter V6 that pushes 362 hp and 384 lb-ft of torque through a 7G-Tronic Plus automatic gearbox (in place of the the C63's dual-clutch seven-speed). Power is routed through all four wheels with a 66-percent rear, 33-percent front torque split.

For some numerical context, the C450 AMG exceeds the C400 by 33 hp and the C300 by 121 hp, while it lags behind the C63 by a rather significant 107 hp. Crucially, the six-banger helps shed between 231 and 242 pounds compared the C63 models – this, despite a heavier all-wheel-drive arrangement, as opposed to the C63's rear-drive configuration.

The C450 AMG shares a few pieces of hardware with its big brother AMG sibling, including the front axle, electromechanical steering, and upgraded brake setup (though you can't get carbon ceramic stoppers like you can in the C63 S). The C450 isn't equipped with launch control or a locking rear differential, but the performance fundamentals are still strong, from the electronic suspension dampers to the speed-sensitive AMG-tuned steering.



The V8-powered C63 is a seriously powerful sports sedan with generous grunt and quite a bit of potential for tail-sliding shenanigans. Though its V6 isn't quite as punchy, the C450 delivers strong acceleration off the line, with cleaner launches and less likelihood of lighting up the small yellow traction control icon, thanks to its all-wheel-drive setup.

As for power, the C450's 3.0-liter V6 is well suited to the chassis, offering a meaty 384 lb-ft of torque whose peak output starts at 2,000 rpm (versus the V8's plateau, which kicks in at 1,750 rpm). That broad spread, along with the seven-speed, torque converter-equipped gearbox, is flexible enough to deliver urgent acceleration at most speed/gear combinations. Though the C450 performs the 0-60 sprint a full second slower than the C63 S (4.9 seconds, versus 3.9), the difference doesn't feel so vast by the seat of your pants. The V6 delivers a nice whoosh of power, particularly in the powerband's mid-section, while the seven-speed offers quick, smooth, dual-clutch-like upshifts and rev-matched downshifts.



The C450 has plenty of chassis and drivetrain adjustability thanks to its drive mode settings, with Eco, Comfort, Sport, or Sport+ modes that manage suspension stiffness, steering effort, and throttle response/shift style settings. These parameters can also be personalized. The three-stage suspension controls can also be adjusted independently, and deliver noticeably different stiffness levels with a baseline setting that's firm but unpunishing. Though the C450's milder transmission isn't mated to a locking rear differential and the model doesn't come with launch control (as found in the C63) or Race mode (as equipped in the C63 S), drivers who don't autocross or track their C-Class should find plenty of buttoned-down dynamics and rewarding performance in the C450.

The AMG brand is no longer just an astronomically priced, reach-for-the-stars halo offering; similar to BMW's more generously sprinkled M badge, Mercedes-Benz's sub-brand is consciously expanding its accessibility in order to sell more cars. And while the previous-gen C63 was the most successful model to date (with sales surpassing 40,000 units), that figure pales in comparison to AMG's anticipated future growth that will be aided by milder variants like the C450. The C450 AMG is expected to start in the low $50,000 range, roughly $10,000 beneath the C63, and $20,000 less than the C63 S.



Is this newfound accessibility good, bad, or irrelevant to the AMG brand? Well, it depends on how you look at it. While the C450 AMG isn't quite the pedigreed, race-ready thoroughbred you might have expected to hail from Sindelfingen a few years ago, it's still a quick, well-handling, capable performance car that's damn entertaining to drive fast. Equally relevant to the Mercedes brand's more affordable options are what's happening at the opposite end of the spectrum, where the ultra-low-volume, quarter-million dollar S65 AMG Coupe resides (which also happens to be the priciest Benz you can buy). Don't like big, heavy, twin-turbocharged V12s? Think about the AMG GT S, its insane GT3 racecar spinoff, and (hopefully) a future Black Series iteration, which would deliver even more competition-inspired exotica.

Whether or not the C450 is a true AMG is open to debate. But there's no arguing that this kinder, gentler C63 alternative offers satisfying dynamics and serious bang for buck, making this a sort of AMG Lite that's a substantive choice for enthusiasts.
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I can't believe I like a non-AMG Mercedes...what's happening to me?!
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I can't believe I like a non-AMG Mercedes...what's happening to me?!
I'm with you. Though it's "kind of" an AMG?

Either way, I'm a fan. If a stickshift wasn't mandatory for me, this would be on the shortlist for sure as long as MB's 7-speed auto is comparable to the ZF 8-speed.
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A poor man's AMG, I like it.
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