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Old 09-20-2002, 01:23 PM   #1
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Default Silverstone rally tires have much evil...

From http://www.specialstage.com/forum/cg...orumID9/9.html



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3. "SILVERSTONE"
In response to message #0

I only have personal experience with one brand. But with the abuse they have taken, I will never switch. Here is a picture of my strut, after landing wrong from about 3 feet up (I know, stupid me for thinking you can jump a car with stock struts). The strut bent and rubbed on the tire for the rest of the stage and the transit. I am still using the tire.

I thank the Tabors everytime I can, for allowing an idiot that hits any and everything in my way, to finish a rally without a flat.

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Old 09-20-2002, 01:24 PM   #2
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Kris and I will be running Silverstone on the two cars...the above photo gives me warm fuzzies.

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Old 09-20-2002, 01:30 PM   #3
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They are well worth the money over the Kumhos. Granted if my wallet was bottomless we'd run Michelins or Pirellis, but for po' boys like us, the Silverstones are best.
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Old 09-20-2002, 02:50 PM   #4
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Where is the best place to source Silverstones from? I read a thread on specialstage that mentioned the Tabor's sold used ones. As a total newbie to rally I am looking for the most affordable, toughest tire rather than the fastest.
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Old 09-20-2002, 03:09 PM   #5
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Kris and I would be buying all of our tires from the Tabors:

http://www.taborrallyteam.com/trt2.html

I assumed they were new.

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Old 09-20-2002, 03:16 PM   #6
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My driver bought from Tabor, they'll give you a good break if you buy in bulk.
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Old 09-20-2002, 05:40 PM   #7
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Personally i've never run on em...
and i've seen what Pat R did to them..

i'll stick to my Pirelli's!
love dem things!

anyhooo
you can buy silverstones from:
http://www.taborrallyteam.com

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Old 09-20-2002, 07:54 PM   #8
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It all depends on driving style. To say Pat is an aggressive driver would be an understatement. Im sure he chews through them, just like Mike Shields told me he does. But we used them on our PGT 323 GTX, which is a pretty heavy car, and they held up great. I doubt Sean is going to mangle them in his 2.2L. I dont think it would be worth his while to pay the extra $100/tire to go with Michelin or Pirelli.
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Old 09-20-2002, 10:23 PM   #9
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Originally posted by Subie Gal
Personally i've never run on em...
and i've seen what Pat R did to them..

i'll stick to my Pirelli's!
love dem things!

anyhooo
you can buy silverstones from:
http://www.taborrallyteam.com

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I thought you were running Michelin's?
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Old 09-22-2002, 09:47 AM   #10
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I did run Michelin's most of the year...
then come Ojibwe... i couldnt find any....

and i did try to buy Silverstones at that time.
they were out of stock on my tire size....

so i went to AV Sport (www.avsport.net) to see
if they had any Pirelli's in "my size" 14-62/15's....

well they had some that were even shorter, and narrower.
They made me a great deal... and i have them a shot...

Ya see, even in the 110hp car... i would destroy a set of Michelins
after one event.... even tho the car is only FWD, it chewed
throught em like butter.... dont get me wrong, the tires
were solid and did their job... i only had one flat all year...
but i was buying 2 new ones every event....

anyhoo...
the Pirellis... WOW! i ran them all weekend at Ojibwe
without rotating them even! They are a much harder
compound, took a hell of a beating, and were in such
great shape, i ran them at Wild West too! WWest is
one of, if not THE roughest event out there... rocks that
will split body work like there's no tomorrow.....

the tires performed fantastically! I think now, after
4 full days of rallying, i may need to rotate them front
to back love em.. i'm sold... and i dont care what
they cost... i'll be buying fewer tires and they'll last
a lot longer.... i was always a Pirelli skeptic (i thought
they were too bulky and heavy)... now i'm sold.
they're not heavy at all... and they kicked arse!

and yes, i agree... tires is one of those things
that depends on driving style... and it takes a
few rallies to get a good feel for what works for you...


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Old 09-22-2002, 10:58 AM   #11
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Which compound of Pirellis were you running Jamie? I'm planning on getting a set of one-offs for rally-x use and haven't decided if I want harder or softer ones. Harder since they'll last longer thus I'll be able to transit on pavement for longer distances with them without worry of excessive wear, or soft and throw them in the back of the car when going to rallycrosses but perhaps get better performance from them. I actually heard that the softer compound grabs tarmac better than most all-season regular tires

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Old 09-22-2002, 09:21 PM   #12
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Kris and I would be buying all of our tires from the Tabors:

What model and size of Silverstone are you going to be running on your 2.2L PGT?

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Old 09-22-2002, 10:55 PM   #13
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I've got to agree with Jamie on this one. I switched to Pirellis from Michelins last year, and they are amazing. They're a bit expensive up front, but they last so much longer than other rally tires that they're a bargain choice over a season. I've run six events on the same 12 tires, rotating them carefully. With Michelins, I would go through (and by that I mean so chewed up it would be unsafe to rally 10/10ths on them) two sets of tires in a 110 miles ProRally.

FYI, rally tires have a traction vs wear curve. Brand new tires grip like crazy with the sharp tread block edges. When those edges wear down, the traction decreases somewhat. This is when Prodrive throws them away. But then you have a second stage, where the handling is still very good for a non-top 10 team, but not quite like brand new. Once the tread blocks get even more rounded, the grip dimishes further, and beyond that point they're only good for beginners or rallycross.

Here's my experience with the two brands. BTW, the Michelin 4 compound gives similar traction to the Pirelli 60 compound.

Michelin (medium 4 compound) ~$130 ea
Stage 1 = 15-30 stage miles
Stage 2 = 25-50 stage miles
Total life = 40-80 stage miles

Pirelli (medium/soft 60 compound) ~$205 ea
Stage 1 = 30-40 stage miles
Stage 2 = 100-200 stage miles
Total life = lots of stage miles

You tell me which is the best deal!
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Old 09-23-2002, 12:09 AM   #14
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I found out recently that Michelins are going to be next to impossible to come by for the foreseeable future. They're just plain not shipping any to the U.S. I heard from Lance Smith of VT Sports Car that he bought a lot of around 60 tires, has sold about 24, and when the rest are gone he doesn't have any leads on replenishing the supply.

He recommended a different brand that he's going to start sourcing for around $120-130/tire, but I'll be darned if I can remember the name. Definately wasn't Silverstone or Kuhmo (which, btw, I've only heard bad things about the Kuhmos, in general). Yokohama, maybe?
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Old 09-23-2002, 08:42 AM   #15
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He recommended a different brand that he's going to start sourcing for around $120-130/tire, but I'll be darned if I can remember the name. Definately wasn't Silverstone or Kuhmo (which, btw, I've only heard bad things about the Kuhmos, in general). Yokohama, maybe?
Does anyone on here run Kumhos?
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Does anyone on here run Kumhos?
I co-drove for someone who used them at Rally NY. Hard to compare from the hot seat, and in a different car, but looking at them they look like crap compared to even the Silverstones. I dont think they're worth the savings at all.
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Old 09-23-2002, 09:23 AM   #17
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I've been very happy with Silverstones. They helped me get a driver's championship. I get mine through Burt Brothers.
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**Which compound of Pirellis were you running Jamie?
Medium... T14's.... really, really love em!!

any rally tread will "grab the tarmac" like you would not believe
once they have been scrubbed and are nearly worn out...
they are better n slicks when they're down to their little nubs...
but then they are no good for the dirt/gravel bit.... sort of
a catch-22 there...

i prefer the med. compounds for the rough and rocky bits...
and i prefer the softer compounds for sand/muddy bits....
that just seems to be what's worked out best for me
no idea if i'm "doing it right" or not the terrain of the rally
dictates my tire choice...

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It sounds as if the Silverstones would be an excellent tire for initial rallying on a strict budget. I would be interested to hear what models people are running for ClubRally and also for Rally-X.
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Old 09-24-2002, 01:33 PM   #20
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Jon Bogerts prices for Pirelli tires is for a larger size, I believe 205/65? I paid ~ $135 (without shipping) for 165/65-15 Pirelli T4 for my Impreza and they are the same size as the 14/62-15 Michellins I used to buy. He needs the bigger size because of this turbo! I agree completely with his assesment of the grip and tire life. I've run STPR and Maine and still have pretty good edges. I don't think the T4 compund is as soft as the L81 (L4) Michelins and I might try the soft sompund next time.
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